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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:14:05 PM EDT
I need a gunsmith in the OKC area to install ghost ring sights on my Mossy 500. H&H says they don't install front sights. OA wants $100.00 and I already have the sights.
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do they have to be sweated on or screwed on?
call big boys in wheatland, they do some smith work, their in the book. |
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Simmons Gun Repair is as close as the Post Office. www.simmonsguns.com |
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Honestly, I'd have to agree with Lester on this one. I'm always willing to travel a resonable distance from Tulsa (Joplin, OKC, within 200 miles anyway) for someone to do good quality work on my stuff. Or at least, for the work I can't do myself. Lester's got a good point though and that statement makes a lot of sense really.
You want the best mechanic you can find for your cars, and the best gunsmith you can find for your guns. |
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Yeah, Steve Baldwin. He does custom chokes on shotguns from all over the world - England, France, etc. He's that good. He remchoked a slug barrel for me for a CLEET class. And he's cut several barrels back and installed new beads for me. He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever come across in the firearms industry. And he is one hell of a machinist! I'll IM his phone number. |
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Excuse me, but I highly recommend him! If you haven't had him do work, or seen $30,000 Holland & Holland shotguns in his shop, or met the guy, then you don't know what you are talking about. He makes high dollar parts for David Tubbs among others, as well as some other well known names in Brownells. He is DAMN GOOD! |
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Exactly how "good" is someone whose contact information must be communicated via IM? Well-established gunsmiths aren't afraid to give out their contact information. What are some articles in trade magazines or enthusiast periodicals that I might find a glowing review -- or at least an honest one -- that would back up your "recommendation?" Who are some satisfied customers that would vouch for this character? Would G. David Tubb? Would Brownell's? Nope. Scrupulous gunsmiths aren't afraid to have their telephone numbers posted in a public forum. Gunsmiths who have well-established reputations have LONG lists of references. Gunsmiths who are at the pinnacle of their profession don't need some cowardly proxy out beating the drums. Bottom line is this: your recommendation is strictly subjective. Your guy doesn't have the bona fides you claim. He's good enough, but he's NOT GOOD. |
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One reason his phone number is not out in the public is because he doesn't want to mess with idiots like you. And I'd say anyone who's been around high end shotguns knows who he is. If you knew him or his work, you wouldn't be saying that, Mr. Brown. I think you know more about janitoral services than you do gun work! |
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If you're satisfied with his level of craftsmanship, that's great. Second-rate definitely has its place and its followers. But as long as I'm paying the bills, I want the best I can get and your dog just won't hunt. |
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Allright.....both of you are riding with me to the JTAC shoot!
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There ya go Pat, I fixed another post for ya....you must be drinking tonight cause you keepsayin the wrong stuff. |
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Roy at R&S gun service in Moore has always done a great job for me at very reasonable prices.
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You must be drinking for changin' what I said to what you heard! |
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Well I have really only had him do some basic work on a 1911 I used to have and he did everything exactly how I wanted him to. Sometimes I think it makes people feel better that they shipped there gun to someone for work. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but there are certain things that really don't require sending stuff to a "super duper" smith. If you want to pay someone inflated prices on top of paying shipping both ways for having a front sight installed then well go ahead. Now if there was something that really took alot of skill I could understand but a front sight is not it. |
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If you don't really know any better, it's hard to know you've been screwed. But if you're happy with second best, that's all well and good. There's nothing your boy can do that you couldn't do yourself. Because of Roy's butchering, I now have the jigs and drill bits to properly drill and countersink sling swivel studs. Typically I prefer to have work done RIGHT the first time. Is that hard to understand? If you're going to let the cost of shipping a firearm deter you from having it fixed RIGHT, you're subscribing to false economics. So you go right ahead and tell me just how good Roy is. |
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Like I said I understand if you need serious or specialized work done but to have a front sight installed it would be wasting your money to send it off. Roy is hardly my boy. I don't even hardly know the guy. I had him make some adjustments on a 1911 of mine a while back. I had him do something else a couple of years ago but I can't remember what. He doesn't do hack job work from my limited experience with him. I always look everything over to see exactly what was done. Maybe you had a bad experience with him. That doesn't mean everyone else has. You kinda came off almost insulting in your first post directed to me. I've had probably the worst luck personally with my $2k 1911 that was worked on by expert pistol smiths. It just went back for the 2nd time to RRA because the ejector wasn't properly heat treated. I would have caught it initially but I never made it to the range before it went back the first time. My point is everyone does a crappy job at some time no matter how good they truly are. I have had work done by Novak, Canon Creek, Ernest Langdon, Robar, and many more. Now I know there is much higher regarded smiths but all of these guys do great work for what they specialize in. There is a time and place to use good reputable smith for ceretain jobs. There is also a time where it is totally unneccesary to send your gun off for something just about any smith can do unless you just fell better about spending twice as much as you should have. |
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If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right the first time. Someday you'll understand. |
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I'm not back pedaling in the slightest. Saying that the work he had done for me was great and at a reasonable price is all there is for me to say. It's hardly me singing a list of his praises, but if you want to try and twist my words to support your snobbery go ahead. I don't know the guy well but the work he did for me was what I wanted and at a good price. I will probably have him do more work in the future if there is something general that I need. As far as for standards you are being completely assinine. It doesn't take a professional with 30 years plus experience to properly change the oil in my truck. I'd be a fucking moron to drive hours so the most holy and blessed mechanic could so perfectly bless my filthy truck with his expert oil changing skills and only charge me $100 for his super duper reputable work. There is certain types of work that do not take much skill to do very proficiently. I'll just leave that at that but still have a few other things to say. You come across as a complete and total jerk Lester. If you don't like somebodies recommendation then just say I had this "xxxx" experience with that guy. That's all that is needed. You can be a snob without being an asshole. It's really not hard. |
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I think you are referring to the comments I made about my semi-custom 1911 I have had problems here. The one I said I have sent back twice now to RRA. It seems you are confusing RRA with R&S because Chuck at RRA personally worked on my 1911 and he is supposed to be a very good pistolsmith yet I still had a second problem. To his favor though it would be hard for him to not know that the ejector wasn't heat treated properly so that wasn't necessarily his fault. Still when I got the gun I waited 6 months for there were major problems. ANY smith can make mistakes regardless of how much you pay for something |
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This is possible for some more than others. |
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Your recommendation sucks. Period. I don't trust your boy to perform the simplest of gunsmithing jobs without the end result looking amateurish. Because of my experiences with Roy and other OKC-area gunsmiths, I now own a fairly extensive selection of gunsmithing tools for parts removal and installation. My skills are at least as good as anyone else who has a gunsmith shingle out front in this area. And I'm not that good. Someday you'll grow up and understand all of this once you've gained a few life experiences under your belt. |
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Hint: TRY READING BEFORE RESPONDING. |
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You may be older but you are definately the one that neeeds to grow up. I specifically said Roy did some work on a 1911 of mine. It was a Dan Wesson Patriot Marksman that he worked on if you must know. THere was something else he did for me a while back but I can't remember what. I buy, trade, and sell to many guns to remember everything perfectly. I do read but the quote you responded to was right after me talking about my RRA 1911 so maybe you should read before responding. It seems to make you feel like a man to insult or belittle others which lets me know that you are way behind in maturity for your actual age. I'm done responding here it's a waste of time. Go ahead and keep behaving like an adolescent it seems to fit you well. |
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That first paragraph really hits the nail on the head. That last paragraph pretty much sums it up too. There's a time to blast folks out of the water but this didn't look like the time to me. Whatever though, I'm simply offering up a 3rd party observation. |
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I think the problem here is limited experience. Too many people think marred finish due to "gunsmithing" is perfectly acceptable. They don't know any better, so they don't complain. They're too intimidated by what they perceive to be "professional" work, so they never attempt to do anything themselves.
A good 90% of parts installation can be performed at home, so there's no real point in paying anyone to do it. Finish work, machining, wood fitting, and general parts fitment is another matter entirely. Sling swivel studs should be centered in the wood and countersunk with no splintering. No one in OKC seems to know that. Recoil pad installation should be even with no overhang, like most factory guns. No one here seems to get that either. If screws are removed they shouldn't be boogered, provided properly fitting gunsmithing screwdrivers are used. And if they are boogered, they need to be dressed or replaced. This also seems to be a foreign concept to local yokel gunsmiths. (I've actually seen Chris at C&J and Roy at R&S using Craftsman screwdrivers for gunsmithing work. ) If a barrel is recrowned, the end of the barrel shouldn't be purple if proper cold bluing is applied. See above suffixes. If you had a mechanic work on your car and it came back with a big dent in it or a scrape down the side, would you just write it off? If you had your house worked on and a hole was knocked in the wall, would you just ignore it? Nope. So why is it acceptable for the same thing to happen to your guns? Take a little pride in what you own. For a change. |
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One of the few posts that I agree with you on. Very good. Edit to highlight the part I liked the best. |
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Lester, I'll bet your a hen pecked, short-d*cked, no-balls, keyboard commando. Are you sure your real name isn't Schitze instead of Brown? |
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I wouldn't ignore it but like I said that was not my experience with the smith I referred to. If it was I would never have recommended him. |
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theirs a guy who post in the OK ht forum who does work on shotguns and has posted pics in the shotgun forum........ I'm not going to mention his screen name the way this thread is going
but from the pic's I've seen of his work i'd let him work on my scaterguns ........ If your interested mikeyinokc let me know and ill IM you his screen name .......... |
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I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone with a rock-solid reputation would waste his time working with locals who don't have any money. |
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I already said like 4 times now he did work on a 1911 of mine in the past. I don't remember what I had him do on another gun like a couple of years ago. I have a real bad habit of horse trading so I go through lots and lots of firearms keeping only the ones I really really like. If he had buggared something up I would definately remember it but the fact that I don't means I was happy and fine with his work. I used to use him for transfers occasionally but he jacked his prices up for that so I stopped. You know I sent my Sig 220 that I no longer have (I discovered 1911's and it was history) to Novak. I can remember I had him to a trigger job and had him polish the feed ramp, but there was a couple off other small things he did. I can't remember what it was. It is something of little consequence so many guns ago so why would I? He did great work that is the thing I do remember. Not everyone has a picture perfect memory like you. |
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It's not a lie if YOU believe it. |
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I don't beleive he's in OK city.......... and he reads the forum if he want to throw his name in this shitstorm i'll let him do it .... Like i said before i've only seen picures of the guys work .......never handled it........... but based of the pictures i've seen i wouldn't be a bit concerned to let him work on my scaterguns...... |
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Bro the fucking people you sugested arent even in the state so what does it matter........ I'm not protecting anyone ....... I'm just not going to drop someones name in a thread that's a shitstorm already |
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If you would pay attention like you keep saying I need to do you would know that I was talking about Novak in this little tid bit you so conveniently snipped leaving out Novak's name right after I mentioned Novak's name. It has nothing to do with Roy. You shouldn't cut and paste and leave out the specifics. It only makes you look like an asshole bent on pushing whatever deranged agenda it is you have for insulting others regardless of truth or accuracy. |
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I was responding to your quote so if I do you must as well. |
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That's strange I was just responding to a question you asked.... |
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You're beginning to remind me of Jon Lovitz's Tommy Flanagan liar character. |
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Lester, I hope you go to the JTAC shoot. I'll enjoy meeting you face to face. Then we'll see if your balls are as big as your keyboard!
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