Sorry, we only take in Wayward Girls at AZEX.

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So why did you suddenly decide that AMC is a shitty place to work?

Quoted: For the record, I DO work with the EXACT manager(his name is Ryan) that kicked a couple ARFCOMmers  a couple months ago for open carry. He told me the story and everything after I questioned him about the "No Firearms" signs.

For the record "Ryan" is an amoral coward that attempted to blame the property management company Vestar for the previously unenforced "no weapons policy", when Vestar doesn't even own the property that AMC is located on...AMC owns the property its located on.

I'm glad they at least have the signs posted now, so others will be spared the unwarranted harrassment we endured, and can make informed purchases.  I hope the no firearms signs are denying AMC a significant amount of profit.

Aliens vs Predator comes out on DVD December 28th....I believe we'll be having a Gun Owners of America charity BBQ sometime around then.

Signs? What signs? Those teeny tiny 3"x3" see through things at the bottom right corner of each entry door going into the place?

Nah, I didnt see any of those. Sorry. They probably need to buy bigger signs.

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Quoted: Quoted: For the record, I DO work with the EXACT manager(his name is Ryan) that kicked a couple ARFCOMmers  a couple months ago for open carry. He told me the story and everything after I questioned him about the "No Firearms" signs. For the record "Ryan" is an amoral coward that attempted to blame the property management company Vestar for the previously unenforced "no weapons policy", when Vestar doesn't even own the property that AMC is located on...AMC owns the property its located on. I'm glad they at least have the signs posted now, so others will be spared the unwarranted harrassment we endured, and can make informed purchases.  I hope the no firearms signs are denying AMC a significant amount of profit. Aliens vs Predator comes out on DVD December 28th....I believe we'll be having a Gun Owners of America charity BBQ sometime around then.

Quoted: Quoted: Sorry, we only take in Wayward Girls at AZEX. D. AZEX PICS!   ?

The really cute one got the boot. The chunky one is still working.

Ask W_W for pics.

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Quoted: Sinistral, just in case you were implying that I agreed with "Ryan"

No I wasn't  implying that you agreed with him.

Quoted: Signs? What signs? Those teeny tiny 3"x3" see through things at the bottom right corner of each entry door going into the place? Nah, I didnt see any of those. Sorry. They probably need to buy bigger signs. D. AZEX

maybe someone should do them a favor and post bigger ones?

Quoted: Do we still have the right to CCW into AMC theater's.

You never had the right to Carry Concealed.....the fees you pay to the state and your card that states:

"I hereby certifiy that the person described hereon  has been granted the priviledge of carrying a concealed weapon"

show very clearly it is not a right.

Or was that right taken away from us too. Because someone had to make a big stink, about  Arizona being Open Carry State.

Again it is not a right, and as many stated on the other threads private corporations can do whatever they choose on their property.  AMC had a no weapons policy before we open carried in there for 3 years dozens of times without incident, and we were only made aware of that policy that night back in August we went and were thrown out.  The policy was there, it was just selectively enforced.  They were closet antigunners before, just like many of you are in the closet gun owners.

I guess a big stink = simply exercising your rights.   I certainly hope you aren't making a big stink with a Bush sticker on your car, that might make someone vote for Kerry.

I can definitely imagine someone being equally upset for being thrown out of an establishment because their CCW was spotted....which is not an entirely difficult thing to do.

If CCW is out too. Thanks a Fuckin Lot, to you open carry hero's.

You are quite welcome for my friends and myself forcing AMC theatres to wear their policy on their sleave.  If they do only have a 3x3" signs they are clearly afraid that displaying a reasonably sized sign would cause them to lose revenue.  I am certain that many CCW holders continue to carry into AMC either ignoring the sign, or ignorant of its presence entirely....just as I know many CCW holders carry into bars and other legally prohibited places because their "permits" make them feel above the law and subscribe to the "out of sight, out of mind" school of thought.

Arizona does and has had a CCW for awhile now.

Thank you captain obvious....I believe the CCW permit system to be a bad thing.  It lulls the public into believing they need a permit to exercise their rights, and to believe that having that permit affords them some legal advantage over open carry.  Permits are going to be the death of Open Carry in Arizona as more and more gun owners become increasingly complacent in the exercise of their true rights.

The only reason I got a CCW permit was to avoid NICS checks when purchasing firearms (lesser of two evils).  That is the only true legal advantage having a CCW gives someone.

To those of you that believe CCW to be so superior to Open Carry.....whay aren't you lobbying for the decrminalization of CCW without a permit?  Why aren't you trying to get rid of this ridiculous and offensive government licensing of our rights???

Quoted: I don't have a problem with open carry. I opened carried for many years before getting my CCW. I don't have a problem with exercising our gun rights of open carry.  I even like to open carry.

Then what is your problem here?

As for open carry in a theater, I never tried it, due to the large amount of kids that attend theater's. So I concealed carry, after I received my CCW. This was legal because they had no signs posted.

What do children have to do with not open carrying?  If anything they should be exposed to citizens peaceably going about their business armed from the youngest age possible so it does not seem abnormal or out of place to them.

What bums me out is, there was no signs on the entrance to the theaters before. Now there is. Even if they do have a no gun policy. Without the signs at the entrance. It's hard for them to enforce their right of no guns allowed.

 

No they could just randomly enforce it as it became an issue, disrupting your evening and creating an unneeded scene where there shouldn’t be.

I use to be able to CCW to a movie. Not anymore.

With their no weapons policy you were never allowed to, it just remained un-enforced.  You’re just lucky they didn’t see your pistol printing through your pocket or shirt, see your fanny pack for what it is; a gun bag, or ask you why you were wearing a photo vest when you didn’t have a camera.

You still can carry into a theatre that does not have signs posted….vote with your dollars this is capitalism in action.

you had a 21 year old daughter or your wife decided to go to a movie without you. And they wanted to CCW  for protection. Due to, they may have to go back to their car, by themselves at night.

This is such an extraneous illogical argument with appeal to emotion.  If you are that concerned for their safety, attend the movie with them, or suggest they rent and watch the movies at home.

Now they can't because the theater was forced, by you, to show their right of no guns in there theater.

We didn’t force them to do anything one way or another.  The logical thing for them to do would be to leave armed citizens alone so long as they were minding their own business.  

As for thinking you have put a big dent in customers suportting the theater. Due to the No Gun policy and signs posted at the entrance.  You are very wrong.  Teenage kids are the ones that support movie theaters. Just like in the music industry. You just screwed it up for those of us, that would ccw to the movie.

Quite the defeatist attitude sir.  Considering that most of the movies we attended there were “R” Rated your teenage kids argument holds no water.

So you opened carried before into a movie theater. Then they finally asked you to leave.

After 3 years of attending dozens of movies there. We always went to midnight showings during week nights when attendance was low.   Believe me I would have rather just watched the movie in peace…for activism I like to pick the time and place, unfortunately it picked us this time around.

If you would of left and it ended there. I doubt they would of posted any No Gun signs at all there theater's.

Maybe, maybe not, but other people could still have open carried in there with the potential for harassment, you could still only have carried concealed in there if you didn’t get caught.

Without the signs we could ccw.

Again, only if you didn’t get caught.  Which is not a hard thing to happen.

The point I'm making,  is you had to push it to the point. Where you forced them to put up the signs. This was unecessary and they will still make a shit load of money.  Thanks again and I'm sure all the other ccw people thank you to.

Oh I think it was entirely necessary.  The same situation could have happened to anyone of us, carrying openly or concealed.  Either way it makes what happened no less wrong.  

Ben Franklin once said, “We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately.”

What we did was force those of you who would bargain away the rights of others to hang with us as well.  What you suggest is no different than the Duck and Deer Hunters saying we don’t need AR15 rifles.

Now gun owners can make informed purchases….you’re saying you would continue to support an anti-gun corporation just so long as they weren’t too vocal about being anti-gun.  No wonder gun owners have such problems…many of us seem all too willing to bargain our rights away bit by bit.

We went by AMC today and their “No Weapons” signs are 3x3” sticker decals…with something that small, they certainly are scared of losing revenue if they made it any bigger.  If they lose even 1% of their market share, that’s good enough for me, and they will notice.  Walmart, Fascinations, and several other companies in AZ changed their “no weapons” policies because of this sort of political activism.

Again, why not lobby AMC to post "Concealed Carry Only" signs as several parks in AZ have posted, as well as some businesses, if you feel that strongly about it?

In this thread and the previous posts when I suggested that CCW without a permit be decriminalized, and why don't some of the CCW crowd lobby for that and support, I got very little response.  Why is that?  The only reason I can think of is it is far easier to criticize the actions of others than attempt to do anything yourselves.

Quoted: I think we should be capitalizing on the momentum provided by Alaska when they go no-permit CCW passed. We could still have our permitting system, which would allow for non-NICS purchases, CCW in reciprocal states, etc.  Those not wanting to kiss the Government Ring won't have to, but will "suffer" the consequences of NICS checks on new guns and no CCW in other states (ex. Vermont and AK). The NRA is basically against the idea because CCW permitting systems present a "full employment act" for NRA-certified instructors.  Nothing in a decriminalization or permitless-CCW would change that, but right now the Guild has a monopoly on 'blessing' us as having passed the PRIVILEGE of untucking our shirts.

So what would be the first step in working towards getting CCW without a permit decriminalized?  As you said, I wouldn't count on the NRA for support for such a measure.

If nothing else constantly proposing pro-gun legislation every year keeps the anti-gun forces in the state off balance.  If they're busy fighting what we're trying to accomplish, it keeps them from pursuing their own agendas as much.