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Perhaps I should rephrase the question to get to my core concern...
There is some variability in OAL when loading with my Lee Classic Turret press and all Lee dies (including the FCD). While the average variation in my finished rounds overall length is +/- .0005", the largest variance I have observed was .006 (target OAL of 1.130, book states 1.125, actual of 1.124) which caused me some concern as it was .001 less than the Lee book states for minimum OAL. I checked my Lyman book, and it states 1.09 (if memory serves, I'm not in front of it right now) for 4.9gr of Win 231 and a Hornady XTP 115gr, so I figured I was good to go for that round - but it caused me some concern as my understanding is that as OAL decreases, pressure increases, and the stated minimum OAL is listed for pressure control purposes, whereas the max OAL is listed for chambering purposes.
Am I correct in interpreting the responses here as follows:
1. Shorter OAL = more pressure and possibly more velocity (all other things being equal)
2. Too short OAL can cause feeding issues
3. Longer OAL = less pressure and possibly less velocity (all other things being equal)
4. Longer OAL = possibly better accuracy
5. Longer OAL = possible chambering issues
6. Some people load to max OAL, some load to a specific OAL (possibly what Lee refers to as minimum, but other books simply provide as a OAL for a given load).
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IMO, you're nit-picking on .001" deviation. This is within acceptable tolerances, and more can likely be seen using a progressive with or without a fully loaded shell plate (meaning round at a time processing w/otherwise empty shell plate, or loading all stations).
Also, realize that with most mfgr load data, there is very likely still some margin of safety. This one can likely be debated, as powder formulation changes can happen over time, but many earlier books have a wider load range with a higher max for the same powders and projectiles. This is not in any way condoning loading about max published load data, but an observation that many make.
In your list above, a too long OAL can also result in feeding issues, depending on your mag.
Typical factory FMJ runs around 1.15", and JHP around 1.10". We can assume for the most part the difference is down to bullet ogive shape, and allowing for the rounds to feed in the widest range of firearms safely, which means at least somewhat on the short side.
Otherwise, your list is correct, if slightly questionable for pistol rounds (thus the 'possibility' mentioned, right? ;) )
I and I'm sure many others had some of the same questions, and were concerned about being very careful on each and every step, but since then, I've seen no indication that longer OALs are impacting accuracy in my own shooting, nor have I found anyone stating this as the case for
pistol rounds. You can also go and chrono some of your rounds - use the same (low to lower mid range load that you know will cycle your gun), and load up some FMJ with an OAL of e.g. 1.15", 1.14", 1.13", 1.12" (assuming 1.15" will chamber and feed ok in your gun...most likely but not definite). Hand weigh and trickle if you'd like, but keep the powder charge constant. Set up chrono and shoot the 'weakest' load first for safety check, which would be the longer rounds. Note chrono measurements on 5-10 rounds. Load second mag with next shorter round available, repeat.
The point? You're concerning yourself over .0005"-.001" variances, when .01" OAL variances not at max load with a correct powder will in most cases have relatively small changes in velocity (assuming pressure tracks to some extent to velocity). Maybe someone will come up with some super unique powder
not at max load or above to prove otherwise, that it was in fact that .001" OAL deviation leading to a kaboom, but I'll say my initial thought wouldn't be to believe it.
Note that for checking YOUR specific gun's OAL, someone mentioned it already - use an already fired shell (it's already expanded slightly from firing), push a new projectile of whatever type you're loading into the mouth slightly (may need to try a few fired cases), remove barrel from pistol, then push into chamber until it's seated. Remove slowly, use calipers to measure, redo a few times to show consistent measuring, and consider this your absolute max OAL for your gun. Subtract .01"-.02" from this and consider it to be your max COAL to load to.
Great pictures here starting at post #4:
CZ Forum OAL pictures
FWIW, I load my 124gr JHP 9mm at 1.085". I do gage/chamber check a sampling of them, and measure OAL on the same sample. Most are pretty close to 1.085", but if I see one come up at 1.081" for example, I'd grab a few more, do a slight die adjustment, but shoot it just the same.
Hope some of this helps.