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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:06:55 PM EDT
Intriguing. Looks like a Key-Mo challenger has appeared.
Here's the instagram post Here are the pics, I cropped the text after the first pic. 
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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:10:48 PM EDT
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Interdasting. Wonder if that will work on the EA Vox?
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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:26:07 PM EDT
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welp, time to sell my Area 419 shit.
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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:34:46 PM EDT
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Interdasting. Wonder if that will work on the EA Vox? |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 7:06:58 PM EDT
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Choices are good.
DM's Ti Tapermount for ASR threaded tubes paired with Griffins minimalist Ti brake is only 2.3 oz compared to KB's bloated 3.5oz setup with the fugly coffee percolator-filter brake. Looks like something from an Italian road racing bicycle from the 70s all drilled out Super Legere. But I'd buy it just because I love the look of H900 17-4. Just like with Key Mo and Area 419 I think this is a great idea. People stay within suppressor family often because of mount monotony. Cross pollinating mounts and cans opens this up. Looking forward to seeing the street price. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 7:50:08 PM EDT
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Interdasting. Wonder if that will work on the EA Vox? |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:16:11 PM EDT
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Yep. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:19:13 PM EDT
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Is the cherry bomb an effective brake?
So you can use Area 419 for griffin stuff or this for the Q muzzle device? Choices are indeed good |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:31:36 PM EDT
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The cherry bomb on paper looks like one of the best brakes available IMHO
As far as competition for the KEYMO...Pappas and KB are buds and I think share some research. See the erector and Odessa 9. And the new Q modular handgun can. I’m sure it will be great and much better than the silencerco mount. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:32:22 PM EDT
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Is the cherry bomb an effective brake? So you can use Area 419 for griffin stuff or this for the Q muzzle device? Choices are indeed good Currently it's only available in 1/2-28 or 5/8-24 so if you want to suppress a FAL, HK-91, FR-8, Alexander Arms Grendel barrels, or a few other thread pitches you are going to need to use a thread adapter with a Cherry Bomb. Silencerco and Griffin have the broadest range of muzzle device thread pitches usually in stock. This is more of an issue for larger bored cans that can mount on pretty much anything. For example SiCo doesnt make a 14x1 metric mount for AKs. That's wise as most of their .30 cans are tightly bored and factory AK threads have notoriously poor runout and off-axis shoulders. But Griffin does make 14x1 muzzle devices, so I can mount a safely over-bored Hybrid on an AK with Griffin FH and DM ASR Ti Tapermount. Area 419 makes brakes that self time and they make mounts compatible with many suppressors including TBAC and SiCo ASR compatible. Diversified Machine makes mounts and tubes for Form 1 builders. Their ASR tube can take their Ti mount for Griffin tapermounts. This mount is also thread compatible with the Omega, Hybrid, and Harvester 338. Dead Air makes the Key Mo that fits SiCo ASR and now it looks like Q will make a mount for that 1.375-24 tube threading to mate with their Cherry Bomb brake. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:50:51 PM EDT
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Is the cherry bomb an effective brake? So you can use Area 419 for griffin stuff or this for the Q muzzle device? Choices are indeed good Which brake is most effective when a can isn't mounted is of great interest to me. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 9:03:33 PM EDT
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I'll be ordering this setup the first day I can. I'm tired of swapping the rear end of my omega. I use DT on it because of possible mount issues, but this will solve all my issues.
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Posted: 7/10/2018 9:48:37 PM EDT
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My only thought, and this isn't a slight at Q- it's actually a compliment, is that the rear mount will spin out of the Omega when removing the can from the cherry bomb.
That taper might just grab hold of the rear mount and not let go. With all the threads being right handed I can see how the wrong part might come loose. I guess that's why they put the wrench flats on the mount. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:16:24 PM EDT
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With the taper sealing off the Cherry Bomb threads, and two available wrenching features to torque the mount in place into the can, the taper should release unless somebody really muscles it on too tight when mounting. If you are taking it off when hot then using a wrench like Knipex pliers prevents burns while getting a non-marring grip on the wrench boss.
For a semi-permanent attachment and not having to mess with wrench or notch spanner a little Rocksett will probably work. This is probably heresy to suppressor fetishists, but you could also stake the mount in place with a punch, depending on your use environment. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:25:32 PM EDT
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Is the cherry bomb an effective brake? So you can use Area 419 for griffin stuff or this for the Q muzzle device? Choices are indeed good |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:26:48 PM EDT
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Options are good. Q's muzzle device looks solid. I really like their pictures where the show the carbon sealed off at the taper.
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:34:14 PM EDT
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The cherry bomb on paper looks like one of the best brakes available IMHO As far as competition for the KEYMO...Pappas and KB are buds and I think share some research. See the erector and Odessa 9. And the new Q modular handgun can. I’m sure it will be great and much better than the silencerco mount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The cherry bomb on paper looks like one of the best brakes available IMHO As far as competition for the KEYMO...Pappas and KB are buds and I think share some research. See the erector and Odessa 9. And the new Q modular handgun can. I’m sure it will be great and much better than the silencerco mount. The thread isn't about the handgun cans, but since you mention it. I just take your comment as seeming like you may believe that the Q Erector 9 modularity is a new technology and that the Odessa is a derivative of the Erector 9 because the Q E9 prototype was shown on social media first. So just so there's no confusion... Heckler & Koch filed the patent application for thread together baffles in 1992 and it was granted in 1997. What's old is new again, and some will do it better than others. Kind of like how Ase Utra has been doing "tubeless" silencers since 2005 (see here) HK's Patent Below are a few of the many international manufacturers that have been making modular silencers for many years. A-Tec Roedale DPT Nielsen Hog Back to the main topic, I see this adapter as being great for folks who plan to, or already own, a Fix or Honey Badger that want to use their Omega. Quoted:
With the taper sealing off the Cherry Bomb threads, and two available wrenching features to torque the mount in place into the can, the taper should release unless somebody really muscles it on too tight when mounting. If you are taking it off when hot then using a wrench like Knipex pliers prevents burns while getting a non-marring grip on the wrench boss. For a semi-permanent attachment and not having to mess with wrench or notch spanner a little Rocksett will probably work. This is probably heresy to suppressor fetishists, but you could also stake the mount in place with a punch, depending on your use environment. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:12:33 AM EDT
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Well, the Cherry Bomb can be accessed by a socket from the front of the mount. This is a failure mode if it happens to Griffins Ti minimalist brake inside a welded mount Griffin can. The other Griffin devices can be accessed from the rear with a pin spanner if they get stuck in the back of a welded can. With a threaded rear mount a punch can be inserted through the Ti brake gills to brake it loose.
I have no doubt conventional 2-3 chamber brakes reduce recoil more, but radial port brakes have been around a long time. The MAS 49/56 muzzle device comes to mind. Precision Armament has some beautiful, intricately machined 360 degree low concussion brakes. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:14:14 AM EDT
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I have keymo for my saker 762, k, and omega. I was using the omega with titanium direct thread and cap for light weight despite the shit sandwich of the tube spin issues. Qd is much preferred, and if it's light that's win win. I don't know if I can change mounting systems again, what a conundrum
 
I really like the stuff Q is coming out with, these taper mounts sound so neat, it seems counter intuitive that they're so secure. Are the cherry bombs mounted on regular barrels with no washers, just torqued? |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:19:00 AM EDT
[#19]
Cherry Bomb porn... |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:34:44 AM EDT
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Well, the Cherry Bomb can be accessed by a socket from the front of the mount. This is a failure mode if it happens to Griffins Ti minimalist brake inside a welded mount Griffin can. The other Griffin devices can be accessed from the rear with a pin spanner if they get stuck in the back of a welded can. With a threaded rear mount a punch can be inserted through the Ti brake gills to brake it loose. I have no doubt conventional 2-3 chamber brakes reduce recoil more, but radial port brakes have been around a long time. The MAS 49/56 muzzle device comes to mind. Precision Armament has some beautiful, intricately machined 360 degree low concussion brakes. But like I said I don't foresee mount coming off the barrel being an issue, especially when properly installed on a taper shoulder barrel. Radial brakes have definitely been around a long time. I would say that the Cherry Bomb mostly reminds me of the FG42 muzzle device (here). The reason Q uses a radial brake instead of a conventional horizontal brake is because you can't shim a taper, certainly not easily. When Ethan still worked at SIG they patented a method for timing a horizontal brake on a taper shoulder barrel with a two piece muzzle device and crush washer. Q would have to skirt around that patent or come up with a new way to do it in order to make a time-able horizontal brake for a taper shoulder barrel. Maybe they will, I'd look forward to it. But again, what's old is new...again...Europe 2014. 
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:35:54 AM EDT
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I have keymo for my saker 762, k, and omega. I was using the omega with titanium direct thread and cap for light weight despite the shit sandwich of the tube spin issues. Qd is much preferred, and if it's light that's win win. I don't know if I can change mounting systems again, what a conundrum
I really like the stuff Q is coming out with, these taper mounts sound so neat, it seems counter intuitive that they're so secure. Are the cherry bombs mounted on regular barrels with no washers, just torqued? |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 12:59:29 AM EDT
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Well, Q could have made an untimed FH as well, but with an all titanium can the Cherry Bomb is a baffling blast.
I get what you mean, I was only thinking of this announced adapter. Basically the Cherry Bomb in Q cans has the same potential sticking issue as the Griffin Minimalist Ti brake in their welded back cans. This isn't a problem if somebody properly installs the brake before dry fitting the can to the mount, but people like to play with things. I bet they've had a few sent back like that. There's enough meat there for Q to machine small notches for a pin spanner or multi-pronged castle/socket tool. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 5:56:03 AM EDT
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Will you guys offer the Vox with this when both are available or sell it without the QD/direct thread adapter if not? |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 8:13:43 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the torque spec for the cherry bomb?
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Posted: 7/11/2018 8:25:10 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the torque spec for the cherry bomb?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 9:53:02 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/F049B2B4-BC27-4B05-B859-ED540E087896-604004.jpg Cherry Bomb porn... Damn Pete. 
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:56:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @goloud... Damn Pete. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 6:21:10 AM EDT
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It's called the "Plan-B". LOL
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Posted: 7/13/2018 10:46:44 AM EDT
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Anyone shot a cherry bomb in prone position?
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Posted: 7/13/2018 11:50:33 AM EDT
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Anyone shot a cherry bomb in prone position? |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 5:27:01 PM EDT
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So, subjectively, how was the recoil reduction, concussion from the shooter's perspective, and dust signature? Also, any observations on repeatability, return to zero. I'd expect those to be excellent for the mount part of the design.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 6:27:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2018 6:45:44 PM EDT
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I wonder if they will look at fixing Saker MAAD mounts...
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Posted: 7/13/2018 7:56:06 PM EDT
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I wonder if they will look at fixing Saker MAAD mounts... |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 9:27:42 PM EDT
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It's called the "Plan-B". LOL |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 10:05:04 PM EDT
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Wonder if it will work with Griffin.
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Posted: 7/14/2018 12:59:49 AM EDT
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Griffin already has a Tapermount. The difference being the taper is outboard of the threads. Theoretically Q's inboard taper seals the threads from getting carbon fouling. But its not much of a problem either way, they both work. Griffin and TBAC successfully use one orientation. Q, Area 419, and Silencerco ASR the other. Each design has its pros and cons and once you understand their characteristics they can all be used solidly.
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Posted: 7/14/2018 8:33:41 AM EDT
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Thats really cool. Glad to see another simple taper/thread mount on the market for those that got stuck with a piece of junk.
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Posted: 7/14/2018 12:31:56 PM EDT
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Griffin already has a Tapermount. The difference being the taper is outboard of the threads. Theoretically Q's inboard taper seals the threads from getting carbon fouling. But its not much of a problem either way, they both work. Griffin and TBAC successfully use one orientation. Q, Area 419, and Silencerco ASR the other. Each design has its pros and cons and once you understand their characteristics they can all be used solidly. thanks! |
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Posted: 7/14/2018 1:40:08 PM EDT
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I don't think a lot of people looking at using this brake are planning to shoot much without the can on it. For that kind of use, it just needs to be repeatable, light, short, and do a good job of protecting the can.
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Posted: 7/14/2018 8:27:26 PM EDT
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Deadair 7.62 fh and omega keymo weight:
The keymo modules for both omega and saker are 4.75 oz.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2018 8:51:40 PM EDT
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Deadair 7.62 fh and omega keymo weight: The keymo modules for both omega and saker are 4.75 oz. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108746/37DAEA1C-F382-4F2B-A072-35960FED9DB5-607892.JPG |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 11:24:04 AM EDT
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Yeah, the Dead Air mount isn't a lightweight, but it was never marketed as such either. This Q mount will be a great for those with Omega suppressors.
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Posted: 7/16/2018 12:00:55 PM EDT
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Like I said in post 5 the lightest brake and mount for the Omega is Diversified Machines ASR titanium Tapermount for Griffin muzzle devices. It threads to any ASR-spec 1.375-24 tube (DM ASR, Omega, Hybrid, VOX). Paired with Griffin's Ti minimalist brake the entire set-up is 2.3 ounces in 5/8-24. That brake is somewhat closed at the bottom. It lacks rear wrench features but that is not an issue with adapter mounts where you can access the front of the brake should it get stuck in the mount while playing with it. Not an issue if properly shimmed, torqued, and Rockset in place.
Of course if you really want to drop weight go with Thunderbeast. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:42:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2018 8:50:22 PM EDT
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Valid through July 31st https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/334296/0D1589CA-B5F4-47A7-B337-144076BBA921-610115.JPG 
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:07:02 PM EDT
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50% off for the Plan B is tempting but I'm not a fan of muzzle brakes. I'd jump on this if there was a flash hider muzzle device. Has Q ever considered or hinted at making a flash hider mount with their taper system?
ETA: just realized that if this is serious I'd have to do something deliberately stupid with a suppressor and document it. I wonder if they'd honor that with a Form 1 build. 
My opinion of Q's childish marketing is starting to overwhelm my respect for their otherwise useful niche products. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:30:12 PM EDT
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My opinion of Q's childish marketing is starting to overwhelm my respect for their otherwise useful niche products. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:47:18 PM EDT
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MSRP?
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:52:48 PM EDT
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My opinion of Q's childish marketing is starting to overwhelm my respect for their otherwise useful niche products. |
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