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Posted: 5/12/2018 11:57:13 AM EDT
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Has anyone handled one of the new ATLAS thermal Bino’s yet? I’ve seen a few videos hitting YouTube now and the price doesn’t look to bad. Im curious which brand 12 micron core it has inside plus the type of viewing displays LCD or OLED). |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 12:00:06 PM EDT
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Cool, I thought it would have a BAE core since the videos I saw did have “edge detect”. For a 50mm lens the price looks pretty good if everything else checks out.
Im curious if it’s a manual or auto NUC and the type/specs of the eye displays. Very interested in the zero diopter and how it works. I’m going to watch for some more user feedback and I could see myself buying a ATLAS this summer. Smells like another TNVC bill coming. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:20:58 PM EDT
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I am sure Max from N-Vision will be here to talk more as well. Great guy, great company to deal with. I've known him and the company for a long time now.
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Posted: 5/15/2018 10:14:16 AM EDT
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Thanks a lot for your interest in our ATLAS. Here is a list of answers. Later today I will create a separate post to address any technical questions that people may have about the ATLAS.
1. Core: BAE, 640 x 480, 12 microns pitch, 60 Hz refresh rate. 2. Displays: dual color LCD. 3. Objective: 50 mm F1.2. Manual focus. 4. NUC: two options (user configurable via menu settings). Option 1 (factory default) is automatic shutter with user's ability to force NUC with a push of the button. Option 2 (has to be enabled in System Menu) is Scene NUC that is totally manual and requires the user to cover objective lens. Scene NUC gives better results but is a little bit more cumbersome. Vic: Thanks a lot for kind words! Your support is really appreciated. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:51:37 AM EDT
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Any more info on these?
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Posted: 6/25/2018 11:00:31 AM EDT
[#6]
What would you like to know?
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Posted: 6/25/2018 11:16:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Here is a recent detailed review of the ATLAS
 N-Vision Atlas Thermal Binoculars |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 10:55:50 AM EDT
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I have one currently. Really impressed with it. Detect/ID range is comparable to a mk3-60. FOV is narrow for close up scanning. We use the pan tilt or patrol spotters for scanning up close and then go to the atlas for longer range ID. Other day my buddy next to me was scanning with an xp50 helion and spotted something. Said it was a pig. Probably 700 out. Went to the atlas and easily confirmed a deer without question. Saved some walking. Plus using two eyeballs is pretty awesome in a lot of circumstances. I also love the simplicity and the way you don't have to fool with diopter adjustments. I'll be keeping mine. Also, they float, if that ever is a concern. Would be good for a marine application.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 11:29:34 AM EDT
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I wish they would make a 35mm lens version also the bigger FOV for more limited distance terrain would be a big plus for a lot of folks.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 11:37:52 AM EDT
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We are thinking about a model with 25mm objective for wider FOV. There is a good chance we'll do it if there is enough interest.
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I wish they would make a 35mm lens version also the bigger FOV for more limited distance terrain would be a big plus for a lot of folks. |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 1:04:02 PM EDT
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We are thinking about a model with 25mm objective for wider FOV. There is a good chance we'll do it if there is enough interest. If that could be done for just a reasonable bit more money that would be amazing? Thanks. ( i'm sure that I am completely out of touch with how much that might cost to pull off?) |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 1:45:50 PM EDT
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Please do. Also OLED display.
edit. That was in response to a possible 25mm unit. |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 3:05:29 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you that making nice, small, inexpensive zoom lens for modern IR imagers will be amazing and cornering the market is always very attractive :-)
However, making a good zoom lens for the consumer market is somewhat tricky. For optimal performance, thermal imagers require F1.0 to F1.2 lenses. Making a lens that goes to the F1.2 at the long end will make overall package quite bulky and expensive. Making telescoping lens with something like F2.8 at, for example, 50mm focal will be more attractive size and price wise but it will greatly reduce system's performance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why not break into new territory by developing a variable telescoping lens for the consumer market place? Corner the market. If that could be done for just a reasonable bit more money that would be amazing? Thanks. ( i'm sure that I am completely out of touch with how much that might cost to pull off?) |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 3:17:56 PM EDT
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25mm is not a huge deal from the product development standpoint and there is a very good chance that we'll do it.
Unfortunately, OLED displays are still quite expensive and using them would lead to a significant price increase plus require an overhaul of the entire system. We could make ATLAS as small and as light as it is while keeping its price at the very aggressive level by using dual display (no optical splitter) configuration. Biocular with two OLED displays will have a very nice performance but its price will hurt... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Please do. Also OLED display. edit. That was in response to a possible 25mm unit. |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 3:41:46 PM EDT
[#15]
Add a 2000m rangefinder and ill buy one.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Add a 2000m rangefinder and ill buy one. |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 5:51:22 PM EDT
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Max is a first class engineer, if anyone can do it, he can.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 5:56:14 PM EDT
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Max is a first class engineer, if anyone can do it, he can. |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 11:11:40 PM EDT
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25mm is not a huge deal from the product development standpoint and there is a very good chance that we'll do it. Unfortunately, OLED displays are still quite expensive and using them would lead to a significant price increase plus require an overhaul of the entire system. We could make ATLAS as small and as light as it is while keeping its price at the very aggressive level by using dual display (no optical splitter) configuration. Biocular with two OLED displays will have a very nice performance but its price will hurt... 
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Posted: 6/28/2018 9:39:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:07:51 PM EDT
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We are thinking about it. No short-term promises but it's on a roadmap.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. I need a range! |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:09:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Thanks a lot! You are putting some pressure on
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Max is a first class engineer, if anyone can do it, he can. |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:10:15 PM EDT
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Thanks, Vic!
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:12:36 PM EDT
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Now, this is the real stimulus to move. I'm going to have a serious chat re: 25mm with Engineering in a few minutes. We'll see what we can do.
Quote HistoryQuoted: You build a 25,30 or 35mm ATLAS I will have one ordered asap |
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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:53:39 PM EDT
[#25]
What about a bayonet style mount to change lenses?
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Posted: 6/29/2018 9:13:26 AM EDT
[#26]
25mm and they'll sell like crazy.
Also add a tripod screw hole. That would be handy. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 10:26:57 AM EDT
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Sorry, this is very difficult/close to impossible to do while keeping the unit fully waterproof which in our minds is essential.
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What about a bayonet style mount to change lenses? |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 10:43:26 AM EDT
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OK, thank you, everybody. You convinced me about 25mm. Give us just a little bit of time and stay tuned.
Tripod mounting hole, while sounds trivial, is not there for a variety of good engineering and regulatory reasons. We don't plan to add a 1/4"-20 hole to the current generation of the ATLAS. However, if somebody will consider making an accessory to the ATLAS that will add a tripod mount to it, such initiative will have our full support. If nobody makes it, we'll have to do it ourselves, but at the moment our bandwidth is very limited due to a large number of ongoing developments. Quote HistoryQuoted:
25mm and they'll sell like crazy. Also add a tripod screw hole. That would be handy. |
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Posted: 6/29/2018 11:00:50 AM EDT
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I use a reaper grip direct mount and a ballhead. It's a workable solution but not great, but it's workable to clamp the binos in there.
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Posted: 6/29/2018 11:07:14 PM EDT
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Hey friend I’m not sure 100% waterproof is a sticking point for most guys you’re marketing these to. I have quite a few thermals and have no need to them out in the rain or dunk them. In my experience people kinda baby these toys.
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Posted: 7/1/2018 1:13:25 PM EDT
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Not the ATLAS, but does the newer 12 micron TWS13E scope store multiple rifle profiles in the settings or just a single rifle profile? From the looks of things it’s manual Nuc\CAL also?
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Posted: 7/2/2018 11:00:53 AM EDT
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Tacosis, good comment. However, N-Vision Optics offers its products to a variety of users. Some of them are quite demanding, don't baby their tools and expect tools to function as expected in all sorts of conditions. Making products that just work is deeply embedded in our DNA and I don't want to change this. Vic from TNVC mentioned at some point that no matter what we do, we end up with a tank :-) ATLAS is our first attempt to make a non-tank product, but deep inside it still is.
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Hey friend I’m not sure 100% waterproof is a sticking point for most guys you’re marketing these to. I have quite a few thermals and have no need to them out in the rain or dunk them. In my experience people kinda baby these toys. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:12:46 PM EDT
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Tacosis, good comment. However, N-Vision Optics offers its products to a variety of users. Some of them are quite demanding, don't baby their tools and expect tools to function as expected in all sorts of conditions. Making products that just work is deeply embedded in our DNA and I don't want to change this. Vic from TNVC mentioned at some point that no matter what we do, we end up with a tank :-) ATLAS is our first attempt to make a non-tank product, but deep inside it still is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tacosis, good comment. However, N-Vision Optics offers its products to a variety of users. Some of them are quite demanding, don't baby their tools and expect tools to function as expected in all sorts of conditions. Making products that just work is deeply embedded in our DNA and I don't want to change this. Vic from TNVC mentioned at some point that no matter what we do, we end up with a tank :-) ATLAS is our first attempt to make a non-tank product, but deep inside it still is. Quoted:
Hey friend I’m not sure 100% waterproof is a sticking point for most guys you’re marketing these to. I have quite a few thermals and have no need to them out in the rain or dunk them. In my experience people kinda baby these toys. You keep on doing what you do Max, the company and the employee's at N-Vision have always been top notch in our world since I first started TNVC...Keep building those tanks and we love the fact the ATLAS is waterPROOF and floats. Lot's of boat types out there. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 6:08:24 PM EDT
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Have we already discussed with the MSRP is on these units? I may have missed it.
In particular I'm curious what the prices on the binoculars in the 12 micron scopes respectively. Thank you |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 10:34:39 PM EDT
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They would lead the market with a variable .5x-5x lens.
Best of scanning and ID. Guess we have to wait till someone brings it to market. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 11:08:52 AM EDT
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Terry1b, 12-micron scopes are still in development. At this point, I can tell you that they will have fixed focus and manual NUC/CAL (no shutter option). We are still weighing pros and cons for multiple rifle profiles. Techincal implementation is very simple but it complicates user interface and can lead to unnecessary mistakes for single rifle users.
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Not the ATLAS, but does the newer 12 micron TWS13E scope store multiple rifle profiles in the settings or just a single rifle profile? From the looks of things it’s manual Nuc\CAL also? |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 11:14:24 AM EDT
[#37]
Wildfowler, I'd like to keep pricing discussion out of this thread but you can check ATLAS prices on a number of sites, for example, TNVC's and compare it to pricing for 12-micron sights with similar lens options.
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Have we already discussed with the MSRP is on these units? I may have missed it. In particular I'm curious what the prices on the binoculars in the 12 micron scopes respectively. Thank you |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 1:53:22 PM EDT
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Terry1b, 12-micron scopes are still in development. At this point, I can tell you that they will have fixed focus and manual NUC/CAL (no shutter option). We are still weighing pros and cons for multiple rifle profiles. Techincal implementation is very simple but it complicates user interface and can lead to unnecessary mistakes for single rifle users. I like the fixed focus some folks don’t. My thoughts from thousands of hours of field use is fixed focus is one less thing to have to mess with making it faster to get shots down range. Plus as my MK III 60mm and ReapIR proves fix focus systems can be ultra clear image wise. I also write each profile, rifle information and load down on my IPhone notes section for reference. I know mistakes can happen someone forgets to change profiles , however most thermal scopes out there use multiple profiles now so users have become trained for that. Pricing you guys are dead on compared to the current market using BAE 12 micron core no worries there. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 3:35:39 PM EDT
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Do these scopes/binoculars have video output? Or internal video recording?
thanks. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 4:01:37 PM EDT
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Pictures only internal and yes there is a video out jack
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Posted: 7/5/2018 1:08:15 PM EDT
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Hi Terry1, thanks for your input. It's greatly appreciated. We'll have to think very hard how to implement multiple rifle profiles without confusing users who don't use more than one weapon or don't keep good notes.
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Thanks for the input, for me as a buyer I wouldn’t buy a thermal scope that didn’t have multiple rifle profiles (3 or 4). I’ve bought over a dozen thermal scopes and have used thermal on a weekly basis for 10 plus years now. Being able to move a thermal scope from my 22cal to my 300BLK gives me more potential use and there-for justification to spend thousands on a thermal scope. I also can set a profile for subsonic and supersonic 300blk so while in the field I can change profiles and ammo/magazine to meet the mission on hand. Just more flexibility overall. I like the fixed focus some folks don’t. My thoughts from thousands of hours of field use is fixed focus is one less thing to have to mess with making it faster to get shots down range. Plus as my MK III 60mm and ReapIR proves fix focus systems can be ultra clear image wise. I also write each profile, rifle information and load down on my IPhone notes section for reference. I know mistakes can happen someone forgets to change profiles , however most thermal scopes out there use multiple profiles now so users have become trained for that. Pricing you guys are dead on compared to the current market using BAE 12 micron core no worries there. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 6:42:33 PM EDT
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Hi Terry1, thanks for your input. It's greatly appreciated. We'll have to think very hard how to implement multiple rifle profiles without confusing users who don't use more than one weapon or don't keep good notes. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 7:14:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Wildfowler, it's a good idea and we've considered it before but, unfortunately, it's very difficult to implement with our existing architecture/core selection. Sorry.
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Maybe you could design the system to allow the user to "name" the profile and display the name permanently on the screen. |
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Posted: 7/9/2018 9:20:48 AM EDT
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Hi Vic, thanks a lot for putting out a word for us and all your support. It's greatly appreciated and very encouraging!
Max. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yep, your products bar none have been the most bomb proof products out on the market. It's too bad IRD (now Trijicon) get all the recognition. Heck, most never even knew your current cores are indeed the same BAE 12um ones IRD/Trijicon uses. We were made to believe ONLY IRD/Trijicon were somehow the only company allowed to offer these. You keep on doing what you do Max, the company and the employee's at N-Vision have always been top notch in our world since I first started TNVC...Keep building those tanks and we love the fact the ATLAS is waterPROOF and floats. Lot's of boat types out there. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 9:36:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2018 10:19:07 PM EDT
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Anyone here been using a ATLAS yet? Been holding out waiting for alittle more user feedback and the chance a 25mm lens model may appear.
Looked at the user manual now up on Nvision website everything looks pretty straight forward menu wise. One thing I would have like to see added is a standby mode kind of like the new pulsars. Since you don’t have eye cups the on twin LCD’s that would be nice for extra stealth when needed. One quick touch and they are are back on/off no need to have to power up/down everytime waiting to for boot up. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 4:39:01 PM EDT
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I've owned one for about 3 months now. I will be keeping it for long range ID. The focusable 12 mic bae core is legit.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 5:01:24 PM EDT
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Do you think 50mm is to much for everyday scanning and stalking 50 to 400 yards out on average? I would prefer the 25mm but my best time/window to buy will be in August.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:05:51 PM EDT
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I think if outside 50 you'd be ok. It's a comparable image set to a mk3-60mm. It's amazing for long range ID. I've got a few big places that it really excels at.
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