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Posted: 11/20/2012 4:42:10 AM EDT
I was in my LGS last night and they just had this come in a few minutes before I got there.
Said it was a Spanish Mauser in .308. It does say 308W under the barrel in what looks to be more modern markings. It says 7.62 (badly mistruck 6) on the left side of the receiver in what looks to be original stampings. One mark on the stock, the same mark thats on the top of the receiver. Overall the rifle is in "ok" shape, nothing spectacular. Bolt is clean and seems smooth. Safety seems to be stuck, but I have found a few articles on how to fix that problem. It does seem as none of the serial numbers on the floorplate, receiver, bolt or buttplate match. My intent is to sell it, as it looked like it needed to be rescued and sent to a collector that would appreciate it. What I need to know is what the rifle is, and how to accurately represent the rifle in the add. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 4:45:20 AM EDT
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Looks like a pretty typical M1916 Guardia Civil Mauser.
These were originally 7mm Mauser but a bunch of them got converted to 7.62x51. It's questionable as to whether these are safe with full-power .308; best to err on the side of caution and just use 7.62x51 surplus or downloaded handloads in them. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 4:56:23 AM EDT
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+1 to what Mark said.
I had one at one time and actually did shoot .308 in it on a few occasions. I would advise against it, however, as I experienced difficult extraction and pierced primers (yeah, I was young and ignorant at the time  ).
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Posted: 11/20/2012 5:01:45 AM EDT
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I believe that was actually for 7.62 CETME cartridge and not .308
7.62 CETME is very much dimensionally similar to .308 winchester. However, it is loaded at much lower pressure. (much like Japnese 7.62x51 for their MBR) |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 5:11:51 AM EDT
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I believe that was actually for 7.62 CETME cartridge and not .308 7.62 CETME is very much dimensionally similar to .308 winchester. However, it is loaded at much lower pressure. (much like Japnese 7.62x51 for their MBR) Even if it says 308W under the barrel? Thanks everyone for the quick help. What would be the best way to find a date and value on this weapon? |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 5:28:04 AM EDT
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I don't know a way to date the Guardia Civil rifles. They're not date-marked anywhere. Bear in mind that they started life as M1893 Mausers and as such could be antiques, if there was any way to prove a "born on date".
Value? $200-250, maybe? |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:29:07 AM EDT
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Probably worth $200 for a collection because i always hear they probably shouldn't be fired.
Finding a FR-8 is where it is at. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:12:12 AM EDT
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Quoted:
I believe that was actually for 7.62 CETME cartridge and not .308 7.62 CETME is very much dimensionally similar to .308 winchester. However, it is loaded at much lower pressure. (much like Japnese 7.62x51 for their MBR) 7.62 CTME is dimensionally identical to 7.62 NATO and was only developed to aid in full-auto controlability. While 7.62 may or may not have seen use in second-line converted Mausers, they were converted for full 7.62 NATO and nothing else. H.P. White labs has tested some of the Spanish Civil Gaurdia Mausers to failure only after a proof load that was several times SAMMI .308 Winchester max. And the same misinformation has been bouncing around the net over the Civil Gaurdia rifles, Israeli converted Mausers, and the FR-7 and FR-8, and the Indian Ishapore .308 Enfields since before there was a worldwide web on rec.guns and mail lists. The basic conversion as done, with the small ring Mauser action is SOUND for full 7.62 NATO. However, that is not to say any one individual rifle of the type does not have headspace problems or other flaws. However that's the case for any milsurp out there under the sun. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:57:08 AM EDT
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The 1916 .308 myth still lives. That rifle will eat bricks of commercial 308 and not skip a beat. I had one for a few years and shot all kinds of 308 through it. Not a single problem and no headspace issues.
The importer had the rifles tested to destruction and the results were that this action pisses on 308. Link to article provided below. http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/726/3082pc6.jpg |
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