Thank you all the Judge bashers, at very close range less than 15ft, which is what most CCW situations are. The Judge is very devastating, even at 5 ft which would even be more common it is a very effective firearm. Now long range, or in your house I prefer 12ga with 00 Buck. I have also found the judge to be a great small game gun for close range situations less than 20ft. I also makes a great snake gun for those that live in the west. But yes those rounds were designed for the judge, but should work in any .410 just fine. Not to mention the Judge can still fire 45LC which is a known man stopping round for longer shots if needed, but here in MN you have to flee if possible, so if the BG is farther away, in MN you should probably be running the other way. And yes I saw the review on BOX-O-Crap, its pretty well know that his tests are some what flawed, beyond the fact the he cut a 3in shell down, his tests were at longer ranges than what the judge was designed for.