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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:04:15 AM EDT
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Sad. I guess there might be a good reason for owning a few firearms after all.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:08:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:09:25 AM EDT
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looters suck
if i owned a food/drug, or gun store i would be holed up and armed, i would call it the arfcom turkey shoot |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:04 AM EDT
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For me, it would depend on what they're looting. TVs, stereos, non food items, then yes, I would probably shoot. If they're stealing food and bottles of water then that would be completely different. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:03:22 AM EDT
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Unless it was the food and water i was using to survive. If they were looting my house, taking the essentials for me and my family to live, i'd kill'em. I lived through the hurricanes in FL last year, i was caught in the middle of them. I was the first one of my family back after the storms went through. Had my bushy with me at all times. Along with an 8 oclock curfew, a freeze was put on firearm sales. Luckily i had enough ammo. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:47:11 AM EDT
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If they were looting my family's food and water or possesions I agree. Shoot to kill. If you need to take food and water from a store where it is doing nothing but sitting on the shelf than so be it. But there is no need to loot toys and 50 pairs of jeans
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:49:27 PM EDT
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I'd volunteer to help deter looting with my SAM7 Classic, she wouldn't mind a bit... Oh and about Detroit, She was on duty here during the power outtage...
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:51:07 PM EDT
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Just look at the current occupant of the Mayor's residence, along with the closest place to Haiti (political corruptness wise, etc.) there is, other than Haiti, that he was allowed to create..........well,
 considering that, you can no longer have any bewilderment at what is going on. Sorry M'am, just a fact.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 2:38:17 PM EDT
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+1 on Detroit
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Posted: 8/31/2005 2:49:34 PM EDT
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i was watching some live newscast from there today, i saw footage of a guy sitting in front of his store with some type of gun, he had the metal gate shut and locked in front of him and the door inside open.
this is sad. food/water i understand, survival first. water is out, food will be a problem for some. the ones that are taking other stuff- forget it. all bets are off. and if you tried to come in my house..well... i've got 30 friends for you to meet. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:16:29 PM EDT
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The thing is, there's really no reason to loot ANYTHING at the moment - there's tons of aid stations in place, there's places to take your family.
Anyone looting right now needs to be shot. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:24:25 PM EDT
[#12]
I havent heard but are there any countries offering Our people any help during our disaster??
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:41:28 PM EDT
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Just another LA riot act. I can understand if someone needs food and water but these (people) do this anytime they get the chance.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:42:59 PM EDT
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I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you either. The only ones that will probably help will be the Brits. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:45:20 PM EDT
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its time for miltia to step up and help out
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:46:34 PM EDT
[#16]
the beginning of the end
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:55:35 PM EDT
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Looters - here's some food for thought, don't flame me,.... THINK about this... Every shop owner EVERY ONE OF EM is going to claim that all their merchandise - food, clothes, hardward, diamonds, guns, tuxedos, and the party supply store - all of em are going to claim they were wiped out 100% loss. They will vastly inflate the value of their assets and get the insurance companies to pay out. All the crying of the people WITH THE MONEY will be answered with plenty of padded insurance claims. Many many many well off folks are going to make out like bandits - seen, been there ala hurricanes in florida. We had folks in MIAMI 300 miles AWAY for the last hurricane getting governement payments and assistance for the hurrican damage. Now - if the crack head, lazy, stupid and corrupt want to loot you can't stop it. However, looting or not, the places they are ripping off are simply going to rip off the insurance companies regardless. The whole thing sucks for everyone EXCEPT the folks that actually have (had) assets. They will make out very well when it is all said and done. don't be shooting no looters, those poor bastards are just stealing TV's and Radios while the owners of the assets will be getting new houses and cars. I know, this sounds like a prick, I'm not. AGAIN, it's a bad deal for EVERYONE but some folks WILL make out just fine. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:57:38 PM EDT
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Plus 1+, I'm with you Tapeo |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 3:59:41 PM EDT
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What???? No Help from our friendly Indonesian friends? The looters I saw on TV we're taking everything they could get their hands on... Any oppurtunity the skumbags loot. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 4:08:12 PM EDT
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I agree with progunvoter that a lot of business owners will make out like bandits but also there is a good chance that the people shooting looters weren't going to screw our govt. or at least didn't know about it. I would carry a couple of guns but would also carry a tazer gun and a paintball gun just for fun.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 4:23:13 PM EDT
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I would do the opposite |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 4:28:12 PM EDT
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I'm not talking about people looting from my home but from retail stores. I could care less if someone is stealing food and clean water from the local Piggly Wiggly market. Hell, if I was out of water, I'd probably do the same damn thing. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 5:07:42 PM EDT
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Unless someone is threatening a life, my own or someone else's, I would not shoot. Goods can be replaced, that is what insureance is for. It is not worth taking a life over something that can be replaced. Even if you do not have insurance, the legal fees from the trial, time off work, etc. would likely exceed the value of what was stolen.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 5:49:10 PM EDT
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Insurrance companies just don't roll over and concede to you the list of the things you lost and how much they cost. They are not stupid when it comes to letting go thier money. Even when the hurricanes last year hit here. I still know many good friends who never got a fair check for what they lost or had stolen. They were given bottom dollar and had to like it. If It were me I'd keep tabs on all my merchandise and not have to go through the hassle of dealing with an insurance company......again! I still don't figure how you think "The whole thing sucks for everyone EXCEPT the folks that actually have (had) assets" a guy works hard his entire life to build a nice home and get nice things and has them wiped off the face of the earth overnight and somehow he is better off than the crackhead down the way who lost his cardboard box but looted a few hundred dollars in goods.... not seein it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:02:07 PM EDT
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Bullshit. Have you ever been through a hurricane or a disaster of this magnitude? A tornado doesnt count, they dont wipe out a row of towns. Yeah, things can be replaced, but not immediately. When you need those things such as food and water to survive, and there are no more resupplies coming in for a couple of weeks, your attitude changes a little. When their taking the only supplies to live you have, and by the time more get to you, you'll be dead. Stealing is threatening your life. There's no faucet to turn on for a glass of water, and some piece of shit stole your last bottle, FUCK YOU i'm putting you down motherfucker
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:47:54 PM EDT
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Canada is helping.....the donations started right away up here.........just remember MOST canadians like our brothers to the south |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:56:54 PM EDT
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^ I didnt know that! Awesome.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:31:27 PM EDT
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First country to step up to the plate! That's awesome
 Thanks alot, it's much appreciated.  Now lets see if Americans can get a U2 concert or something like that dedicated to raise money for relief for americans somehow I doubt it. 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:37:38 PM EDT
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I already heard that Russia has offered help and the German Red Cross has offered as well. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:42:49 PM EDT
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And that's the attitude that most criminals count on, for their daily take. Time was, your property was able to be defended with lethal force. Too bad those days aren't still here. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:55:22 PM EDT
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1BMF,
This thread is talking about looting from stores, and that is what I am addressing. If someone were to try and take my personal food/water/medical, I would consider that a threat to my life. An individual or group of individuals taking from a store, I would not. FWIW, my grandfather shot someone who had burglarized his store, (normal day, no disaster) as the guy was making a get-away. Shot him through the windshield of his car. The burgler lived, my grandfather went to court to tell his side of the story, and was home in time for dinner. This was back during the 40's. The contrast to today shows you how ridiculous things have become.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:56:57 PM EDT
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http://www.wral.com/weather/4887230/detail.html
Story is too big to copy and paste. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 7:59:53 PM EDT
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American Red Cross
Finally this thread is taking a turn for the better (well, it started to anyway). Instead of debating about shooting looters, lets encourage one another to give to those in need. I just sent my donation. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 8:02:41 PM EDT
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Looters suck... But its open season for them. The police are just shooting them down and letting the bodys float UNLESS they are taking food and water, or baby diapers. (those things they need to survive and they are just taking care of their familys, hey they cant pay for this stuff) .
I talked to someone who said people who take other stuff for personal gain is pretty much just targets. I guess the media doesnt know about this though. I live west of New Orleans a bit, glad I dont live there. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:58:36 PM EDT
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Total   |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 1:33:03 AM EDT
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Looters are the reason God made drum magazines
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:08:05 AM EDT
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Finally real ballistic tests......
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:49:48 AM EDT
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Looting Escalates in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER, Associated Press Writer 2 hours ago NEW ORLEANS - With thousands feared dead and the city's remaining residents told to evacuate for weeks, conditions deteriorated further in submerged New Orleans as looting spiraled out of control. Mayor Ray Nagin ordered virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts and stop thieves who were becoming increasingly hostile. "They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas _ hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said Wednesday. Tempers also were starting to flare. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Miss., fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus and a truck carrying medical supplies for a hospital. Some police officers said they had been shot at. Earlier Wednesday, Nagin called for a total evacuation, saying that New Orleans will not be functional for two or three months and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two. The first of nearly 25,000 refugees being sheltered at the Superdome were transported in buses to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away. Conditions in the Superdome had become horrendous: There was no air conditioning, the toilets were backed up, and the stench was so bad that medical workers wore masks as they walked around. Asked how many people died in the hurricane, Naglin said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." The death toll has already reached at least 110 in Mississippi. If the mayor's death-toll estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which have blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. Even as stopping the looting became a top priority, Tenet HealthCare Corp. asked authorities late Wednesday to help evacuate a fully functioning hospital in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water and medical supplies was held up at gunpoint. "There are physical threats to safety from roving bands of armed individuals with weapons who are threatening the safety of the hospital," said spokesman Steven Campanini. He estimated there were about 350 employees in the hospital and between 125 to 150 patients. Looters used garbage cans and inflatable mattresses to float away with food, clothes, TV sets _ even guns. Outside one pharmacy, thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break through the glass. The driver of a nursing-home bus surrendered the vehicle to thugs after being threatened. President Bush flew over New Orleans and parts of Mississippi's hurricane-blasted coastline in Air Force One. Turning to his aides, he said: "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground." "We're dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history," Bush said later in a televised address from the White House, which most victims could not see because power remains out to 1 million Gulf Coast residents. He planned to appear on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday to discuss the tragedy and recovery efforts. The federal government dispatched helicopters, warships and elite SEAL water-rescue teams in one of the biggest relief operations in U.S. history, aimed at plucking residents from rooftops in the last of the "golden 72 hours" rescuers say is crucial to saving lives. As fires burned from broken natural-gas mains, the skies above the city buzzed with National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters frantically dropping baskets to roofs where victims had been stranded since the storm roared in with a 145-mph fury Monday. Atop one apartment building, two children held up a giant sign scrawled with the words: "Help us!" Hundreds of people wandered up and down shattered Interstate 10 _ the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east _ pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings. On some of the few roads that were still open, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway. Nagin, whose pre-hurricane evacuation order got most of his city of a half a million out of harm's way, estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained, and said that 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated in ensuing convoys. The floodwaters streamed into the city's streets from two levee breaks near Lake Pontchartrain a day after New Orleans thought it had escaped catastrophic damage from Katrina. The floodwaters covered 80 percent of the city, in some areas 20 feet deep, in a reddish-brown soup of sewage, gasoline and garbage. Around midday Wednesday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and even appeared to be falling. But the danger was far from over. The Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone into a 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris. The full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days _ in part, because some areas in both coastal Mississippi and Louisiana are still unreachable, but also because authorities' first priority has been reaching the living. In Mississippi, for example, ambulances roamed through the passable streets of devastated places such as Biloxi, Gulfport, Waveland and Bay St. Louis, in some cases speeding past corpses in hopes of saving people trapped in flooded and crumbled buildings. State officials said Nagin's guess of thousands dead seemed plausible. Lt. Kevin Cowan of the state Office of Emergency Preparedness said it is too soon to say with any accuracy how many died. But he noted that since thousands of people had been rescued from roofs and attics, it could be assumed that there were lots of others who were not saved. "You have a limited number of resources, for an unknown number of evacuees. It's already been several days. You've had reports there are casualties. You all can do the math," he said. On the flooded streets of New Orleans, dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out. One of those rescued was 40-year-old Kevin Montgomery, who spent three days shuttling between the attic of a one-story home and a canopy he built on the roof. Every once in a while, Mongtomery would see a body float by. But he cannot swim and had to fight the urge to wade in and tie them down. "It was terrible," he said. "All I could do was pass them by and hope that God takes care of the rest of that." Several telethons were announced to help hurricane victims. One will air on NBC, MSNBC and CNBC at 8 p.m. Friday, with performances including Wynton Marsalis and Harry Connick Jr. Another is scheduled for Sept. 10 on MTV, VH1 and CMT and will include Green Day, Ludacris and Alicia Keys. Jerry Lewis' annual Labor Day fundraiser for the Muscular Dystrophy Association also will include celebrity appeals for help. Although the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from the federal petroleum reserves after Katrina knocked out 95 percent of the Gulf of Mexico's output, gasoline prices surged above $3 a gallon in many parts of the country. ___ Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Cain Burdeau, Jay Reeves and Brett Martel contributed to this report. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 5:55:12 AM EDT
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A decade in commercial insurance showed that darned few businesses buy income insurance added to the other coverages. So the carrier can hand you a check for the property limits the next day, but getting a viable business back in place, bldg, fixtures, inventory, new employees to replace the ones that had to go elsewhere for income, customers returning, is far from instant. Nevermind the bills still due for the mortgage, the owner's family needs... Even for just a simple fire for one location, the vast majority of businesses never make it past a second year due to this massive burden, unless they had the income coverage added. Never mind the fact that they based their limits on the bargained new construction costs, and the total loss/need it now/contractors and shady workers can bend you over price is easily 20%+ greater.
On another note, I heard from a friend who is in a Memphis motel, apparently with many others from deeper south. The car is emptied into the motel room, since vehicle breakins are common. Her place on the N side of Lake Ponch.. is an intact neighborhood, but the recent report was nobody can move back for about 3 weeks. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 7:08:36 AM EDT
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[oldpainless] LOOTERS OF TRUTH [/oldpainless]
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Posted: 9/1/2005 10:03:15 AM EDT
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Suprisingly Russia offered aid. More of a kind gesture, I think. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 10:07:43 AM EDT
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Humans, hardly.
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Posted: 9/1/2005 11:36:35 AM EDT
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What is going on with the Governor of Louisiana? Why has she not declared martial law? When martial law is declared looters can be shot and that's that! I remember martial law being declared many times in the past for much less serious problems.
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Posted: 9/1/2005 1:47:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2005 2:28:23 PM EDT
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========================= Yes, Russia is offering aid as is Germany. Honestly, I think it's reciprocal good will. Now as for Venezuela's offer of help for the "poor", I'm a tad cynical when it comes to Chavez. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:33:06 PM EDT
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Fox was just talking about this, they are saying a order for martial law must come from congress. |
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:38:08 PM EDT
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Didn't notice it before, (First Post) Welcome to the club!  SVT
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Posted: 9/1/2005 4:44:59 PM EDT
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I have a 2004 Mach 1
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Posted: 9/1/2005 5:08:16 PM EDT
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You are talking OUT your ass !!!!!! Tell that that to the people , babies and old people that are fucking dying from not drinking !!!! Look at the T.V !!!!!!!!!!!! P.S how the fuck do these people get to these "aid stations" ????????
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Posted: 9/1/2005 5:08:54 PM EDT
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Thanks Jake! [ |
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