always carry an aim flyer and $300 bucks with you!

this guarantees you the moral high ground.

but...when in doubt, always consult the self-righteous pricks that abound in this life. trust me...they won't be hard to find.

i believe there are several oracles (non-union, of course and card carrying republicans) standing by to offer sage advice, threaten retribution of biblical proportion and chastisement worthy of a 3rd grade playground.


i would offer a loaf of bread, a goat coming fresh and my youngest virgin daughter for the drum magazine...assumming the aim flyer was cutrrent and the moralists bestowed their blessings upon my business.

note:

ymmv. offer void where ethical codes are held to greek philosopher standards. no double coupon redemption on tuesdays. the management reserves the right to change moral hierarchy without notice. contest ends 7-31-04. not valid in puerto rico or anywhere theoreticans ply their trade in the real world.

....sorry I recuse myself, on the fact that I am morally bankrupt!


Although if one was a lowlife (like myself). $75 is fair for a drum nowadays, I also paid $30 for the one I bought, but sold for $100. (if anybody knows who bought it I am looking for an address to send the $70 to.)

30's go for about $8~10 in my AO, 40s are under $20 30s Waffles are about $15 40s waffles $35~40.

I did pick up some new PolyTechs never shot with the chrome follower (from a dealer at a show...none the less) for $12 a pop, so, deals and steals are out there!

again YMMV, these prices are good only for jerks like myself who have no soul, hey! there is Robert Johnson over there!...he sold his soul also....gotta run...see what he got for his!

You know Campy, maybe you should start ACTING like a staff member, I'm sure everyone would appreciate that.

i'm sorry. my personal code of ethics prohibits me from "acting".

however, my moral upbringing has permitted me a highly developed sense of humor.

for a $30 drum, i would offer $25....since it is used. i drive a hard bargain. it is part of my ethics code.

i'm thinking of selling my semi-famous s-10. current chevy flyers state the replacement cost is $15,000. i'll gladly accept $14,000. yes. it is a pre-ban s-10 with collaspible body, flash suppressing rust and cup holder mount.

we now return you to the regularly scheduled discussion of the value of a chi-com drum magazine.

Now lets take this to another level

at last! something my kantian ethics can sink their teeth into!

.....lets say you get to a yard sale as the owners of the very elegant home are putting their items out.

dumpster diving! a highly ethical sport!

The lady of the home comes out with a painting, and your heart starts to beat a mile a minute.

is she really THAT hot?

Why, because you are a art collector,

and because i have impeccable taste (see s-10 reference, above) and a moral code dating bavk to hammerabi...

and this painting seems to be a REAL Van Gough painting.

i dated his sister! sally! sally van gough. kinda kinky, but a riot at parties.

You get closer and to the painting, and realize that you are about 99.9% sure it's real!

ahem! my loupe is always in my vest pocket and i'm oftewn called upon to advise the louve and prado in restorations. i', 100% certain that vinnie painted this one. the brush strokes tell me he was doing morphine and a cheap bordeaux while finishing the landscape.

You pick it up and ask the lady how much?....

is this before or after i have propositioned her?

(she has yet to put prices on the items). She responds by saying, will you give me $30 for it?

CHA-CHING!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm......what would you folks do?

i, having studied kierkegard and haegel, would have thrown her a bone, dropped a $50 on the nightstand, stashed the painting in the bed of my s-10 (suitably protected from the elements by a hefty trash bag i absconded with from the kitchen) and headed straight for christies.

no horns on this moral dilemma....just a hard call between a ferrari f50 and lambo diablo s.

HA!...got you all beat!

While Campy was throwing her the bone, I would sneak out with the painting, thus letting Campy pay twice for it!

When I got my 2.7 gazillion dollars from Christies, I would offer Campy $100 less than his bottom dollar on the S-10!

This way everybody gets screwed over except me!

Quoted: I think some of you need to brush up on what capitalism is.

I dunno, I live in a larger than average home on a golf course, have 2 kids in private schools, nice cars, all the toys a guy could want. I believe I have a fair idea what capitalism is.

Now, if somebody was employed by the "state", paid less than what the fair market would bear, struggle to make ends meet. Complain about what others have, I would think that person to be more socialist than capitalist.

its very used

huh?!?!?! it looks like it has had less than 200 rounds put through it!

and the drivers side door does not open.

i fixed that, yesterday. now, i up my "value" to 14,000.50, since i'm throwing in a brand new e-clip.

I do not consider dukes of hazzard ingress and egress to be a value enhancing feature.

dude! it's cool! i mastered the 'hood slide' in less than 4 attempts! for an extra pre-ban 56-s1 i'll toss in a horn that plays really cool southron songs.




Campy's S-10 is certainly NOT worth the replacement cost of $15,000 to me.

no! i will NOT drop the price! she's an american CLASSIC! stop with the ethics!

The new ones don't have the option of rust,

rust?!?! that's gm marpat paint!

old parts,

like an old winchester, it just gets more valuable with age.

and extra hard miles,

hey! those are all highway miles...i never driven it on the sidewalk.

so comparing his S-10 to a new replacement seems to be absurd to me.

you are correct, of course. my ass, having blessed that red vinyl bench seat makes mine worth an inestimable amount more than a non-celebrity 'new' one...no character there.

Now if someone comes up as OFFERs $14,000, then Campy would be an idiot for not taking it.

i would be an idiot, regardless...that's beside the point. regardless, i seriously doubt i could find a more reliable beast of burden for $14k.

If the buyer wants to pay $14,000 for it fine.

show me the aim flyer first! then show me the money!!!!

Now if Campy is selling his S-10 as being brand new, same as the 2004 model and worth every dime of that $14,000 because "it's the exact same truck and that's what a new one will go for" then he's lying about the value of his truck.

mine is BETTER than new! i have an alpine stereo that came out of a junkyard acura integra...you just can't get that kind of quality in modern s-10's. my ball joints have GREASE FITTINGS! i have tons of pre-ban features these modern trucks just ain't got. why, my steel bumpers will crush a modern s-10. no fancy computers to maintain...2 set's of tires included (winter carbide studded monster-mudders!)...dog dish hubcaps (low bling, but high spark)...new spark plugs...(bobby bosch platinum, not sleazey oem ac's or champ's!)...bed liner...hitch ball...i could go on for hours. it's LOADED!

Anyone who's seen it will agree, and many would find it hard that some sucker would be that stupid, but let's say he sells it online.

oh...now that hurt, ross...that really wounded me to the quick!

If he uses a picture and description of a brand new 2004 S-10 to prepresent his S-10 then he's lying and MISREPRESENTING the item for sale.

[gears turning]maybe that photoshopped pic that ken roberts digitally fixed up the rust???[/gears turning]

Maybe Campy thinks it's OK because the price of bread in Liberia is 4 loaves=one AK. I don't know what the price of anything outside the market you're working in matters, or what the value of bread in Liberia matter to anyone in the US buying an S-10, but he seems to lean on that argument a bunch.

the truck, in all honesty, is worth EXACTLY on what i agree to sell it for and what someone agrees to pay for it.

no more. no less.

it is not value-dependant upon sales technique, milage, stereo or even the fact that i have graced the seat by farting on it.

the 'value' is what i, me, alone agrees to off it for and a buyer, alone, himself agrees to fork over for it.

now, let's talk inflated 'values'.

is the 'value' of something established by morons that choose to pay artificially high prices for any given item or by those that buy that same item at a far lower price?

i say it is NEITHER.

as far as 'representing' something, not only will my s-10 do 95% of anything a new one will (hell, one might argue it will do more! it is used daily as a 'truck', not some garage/safe-queen). a 'modern' ak will do 95% of what a 'pre-ban' ak will do.

Anyway, if Campy sells his S-10 for what it is (regardless of what he sells it for) that's fine. If he sells it AS SOMETHING IT'S NOT, then that's wrong.

exactly 'what' it 'is', is in the mind of the seller and the buyer. outside opinions matter not one wit.

Now, let's say Campy finds a brand new S-10 in a barn in that wet hellhole known as Ohio. The lady want's $1000 for it. Is Campy required to pay the $14,000 fair market value? No, he's not. It's not really his business what she want's for it, or whay she want's so little.

do i get the chance to hustle her, also?

If he brings it up that's fine as well, but it could have been her ex-husband's that ran off with the milkmaid, or her dead son KIA in Iraq and just wants it gone, or whatever reason. A good deal is fine as long as no one is lying about things.

trust me! those stains on the uphosltery are only coffee cream!

Now let's say Campy want's a better deal than $1000 for a brand new S-10 (this is Campy afterall, and the price of an AK in Afghanistan is $50, though I admit I still don't see what that has to do with anything in the real world). So he shows her the calssified ad for his S-10 he's selling for $50 (which may or may not be fair market value), tells her he's seen it and that's exactly what she has and what her truck is worth, then that's different. He's lying in order to obtain a finacial gain. Once someone starts lying about what an item is, then the line is crossed between fair dealing and cheating someone.

and that is exactly were a bunch of you guys ASSUMED one hellova lot in your attempts to batter a member with YOUR moral systems.

midway thru the initial bashfest, the buyer of that 56-s1 im'd me with very complete details of the transaction.

AT NO TIME did he state that the 56-s1 was exactly equall in 'value' to the aim flyer romy. he merely used it as a guide to what could be had and at what prices. the seller was a friend of the buyer. the seller KNEW he could have gotten more for the rifle but wanted rid of it NOW. the seller took the cash gladly and their friendship continues. i cannot divulge further details, but needless to say there was none of this perceived 'scam' bullshit...just a righteous deal that i agree with one of the other posters on...some plain old human envy and self-righteousness.

in your rush to judgement, there where many factors not taken into consideration...was the gun hot? (reduces 'value')...was it used in a crime? (reduces 'value')...was the seller 'mis-representing' the usage of the rifle (reduces 'value')...too many unknowns to type out.

as this was a face-to-face deal involving two adults, i'll leave THEIR business dealings and THEIR morals/ethics to THEM...no matter how they chose to 'represent', barter, bargain, set the price, dicker, haggle, cajole the deal.

now...exactly 'WHY' do you think i drive that old s-10? surely, i can 'afford' darn near anything under the sun that the next shmuck can afford...don't you think?

well???

ok...let me tell you why. it's because i 'VALUE' that old s-10 as much as a new one. i know EXACTLY what i've got. you might not value it because it ain't bling...that's YOUR business...not mine. i value it because it has served me well. i am as loyal to it as it has been to me. a new rig has no intrinsic value to me.

neither does some ak with an uncomfortable folding stock. it does less, for ME than a new romy fixed stock. value, and ETHICS are in the eye of the folks doing the deal...and are often are misjudged by those on the outside.


again, we return you to your regularly scheduled chinese drum thread with my apologies for going off topic (again!).

...sorry folks...this horse is dead!