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Posted: 1/19/2005 7:12:00 AM EDT
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swj0001,
It is Hornady. We spec it with cannelure. Jeff Hoffman, Black Hills Ammo |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 10:53:21 AM EDT
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It's good stuff. Particulary if you want to shoot at night and have a bare muzzle or an A2 FH. It's really low flash ammo.
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:21:08 AM EDT
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Forest,
Thanks for the recommendation. Further info, a few months back there was a thread that informed us that some rifles loved it, and some did not. We did some testing and made a propellant change that did improve accuracy (still flash suppressed). Just info from the factory because I know you guys are all interested in this type of detail. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:23:17 AM EDT
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Oh, I'm gonna have to order some and try the new stuff. Only one of my rifles liked the old stuff. Thanks for the info! |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:27:16 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for taking the time to visit and post information from one of the best ammo makers around. TXL |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:44:41 AM EDT
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Jeff thanks for the info - I'll have to get more
 . Lately all I've been buying is your 75gr OTM loads which are 2moa in my 1:9 barrels. I'd like to see if I could get 1moa or better with the 68.
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:54:07 AM EDT
[#7]
I was under the impression that the 68gr match ammo did not have a cannelure.
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Posted: 1/19/2005 11:57:05 AM EDT
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Forest,
If you are loking for pure accuracy out to 300 from a 1/9, try the 50 vmax. It is a varmint load, not a good penetrator for defensive use, but really accurate. jeff TXlewis, Thank you for the welcome. Great bunch here. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 12:06:55 PM EDT
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eddie7,
The 68 has had a cannelure for a long time. The 75 did not, however, we are now loading the 75 with cannelure also. The only BHA 223 loads that now do NOT have a cannelure are the 40 gr Ballisitic Tip, the 50 gr V-Max, the commercial(non military) 77 grain. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 12:12:09 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I obviously have not been paying attention. Time to start ordering.
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Posted: 1/19/2005 1:44:04 PM EDT
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Jeff, How can we tell if we're buying the 75gr with the cannelure? I'd like mine to have the cannelure. Thanks for the tip on the 50gr vmax. -Forest |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 2:32:08 PM EDT
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Forest,
My rifle production supervisor tells me that all reman 75s made since June have the cannelure. all new ammo 75s since Oct have the cannelure. One way to be positive is to look at the lot number on the 75 ammo. If it ends in 5 it is 2005 production, and has a cannelure. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 4:12:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks so much for the answer and all the additional information. Talk about customer service!
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Posted: 1/19/2005 6:29:32 PM EDT
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Jeff,
Thanks for the info - definately good news! |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 7:02:29 PM EDT
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I had heard that the 68-gr Black Hills round was loaded at lower velocities, or rather lower than NATO spec chamber pressures. Is this true at all?
If so, was it done for the sake of accuracy or...? |
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Posted: 1/19/2005 7:34:56 PM EDT
[#16]
All commercial .223 ammo is loaded to SAMMI spec - NOT NATO or US Army specification. Why would you expect .223 to be loaded to 5.56 pressures? |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 5:38:40 AM EDT
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Regardless, I believe it still has outstanding terminal performance - according to what I have read on the tacked threads and the ammo oracle.
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Posted: 1/20/2005 8:34:50 AM EDT
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I have several hundred rounds (700+) of BH blue 68 gr. OTM. Is there a way to tell which boxes use the improved power?
TIA, Ed |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 10:21:25 AM EDT
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Ducati650,
IM me the lot #. I am leaving for Shot Show ,so answer might be a week or so. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 11:58:20 AM EDT
[#20]
which is better the 68 or 75 gr OTM?
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Posted: 1/20/2005 12:00:08 PM EDT
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Will do tonight. No rush. Enjoy the show.
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Posted: 1/20/2005 1:27:46 PM EDT
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For what purpose, with what twist rate barrel? |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 1:40:07 PM EDT
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in all reality it will be used for punching paper. But I want something that has the best terminal ballistic performance just in case. 1/7 barrel. I just ordered 2 boxes of 50 of the 75 gr from fulton. I'm correct in assuming this will have a cannelure? I bought the red box (new manufature) but if I like it I'll probably get a case of the blue box (remanufactured)... is there any reason I should get the new stuff instead of the remanufactured tho... I've heard the BH remanufactured stuff is really just as good. |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 1:44:40 PM EDT
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also when it is zeroed with 75 gr, will the POI for 55 gr be very different within 100-150 yds? will I be able to mess around with cheaper 55 gr stuff without rezeroing?
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Posted: 1/20/2005 2:05:08 PM EDT
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75gr hands down. I buy the red-box to load into my magazines for the 'bumps in the night'. Blue box is used for long range practice, zeroing, and night shoots. |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 2:08:48 PM EDT
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Depends on what kind of accuracy you're expecting. Yes at 150y it will be off a few inches. It's not a concern if your shooting defensively - but if you want to hit small critters or beer cans you'll need to rezero. Both my rifle classes I zeroed with 55gr and shot during the day with 55gr with Q3131A. At night I switched to either 68gr OTM or 75gr OTM (I brougt both). To 50y I was still accurate enough to keep it in the 4"x2" 'optic box' of the target. |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 4:58:49 PM EDT
[#27]
My rifles love the 68 gr. bluebox. Which means I love it too.
Great stuff, if it's good in your rifle. |
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Posted: 1/20/2005 6:33:23 PM EDT
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I sent an IM. Here are the numbers: 1903203024 1903202874 0615161194 0610201734 Which, if any, of these are the new powder? Is there a ballistic difference between old and new? I chronied my SPR last spring with 68 OTM blue. Thanks, Ed ducati650 |
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Posted: 1/22/2005 9:49:21 AM EDT
[#29]
I bought a box of this ammo and the bullet does not look like the box of Hornady bullets I have. The bullet in the Black Hills load has a cannelure and the shape of the ogive looks different than the Hornady.
I found exactly the same thing. The 68 Horny OTM bullets you and I can buy appear to be a completely different bullet than the ones BH is loading up; it's not just the cannelure. And in my experience, stealing the bullets from some BH loads and re-setting them in rifle-specific brass/primer/powder combinations produces vastly superior accuracy to waht you get when handloading the over-the-counter bullets. So I have this plan. I'm going to get one of those "voice disguiser" gizmos for my phone and call up Hornady, saying "Hi. This is Jeff at Blackhills. I need you to ship a few thousand of those 68 gr bullets you make for me to friend SailorDude in Arizona. His address is ....." Is this a plan, or what? SD |
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Posted: 1/23/2005 8:15:27 AM EDT
[#30]
Ok, obviously I asked the wrong question earlier.
Are the 68 grain OTM rounds available loaded at NATO pressures anywhere? I like the way the blue-box 68's shoot, and it's the main ammo I use, but just wondered if there were any available with a little more velocity. |
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Posted: 1/23/2005 4:48:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2005 5:06:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Yes, I saw that already
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Posted: 1/23/2005 7:25:18 PM EDT
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Why are you making match ammo with cannelured bullets? |
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Posted: 1/23/2005 7:29:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2005 8:10:51 PM EDT
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I applaud the addition of cannelures to the Hornady 68gr/75gr line.
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Posted: 1/24/2005 6:32:20 AM EDT
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Well, Black Hills just lost a customer, if that's what they think is appropriate in match ammunition. Maybe they should change the label to "Special Forces Wannabe" ammunition. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 6:44:51 AM EDT
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Why don't you look at the 77gr SMKs. They are more accurate and the 75gr OTMs, and IIRC they lack the cannalure. The same could be said for the 69gr SMKs. They make something for everyone. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 7:49:05 AM EDT
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I'll take his. 
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Posted: 1/24/2005 10:48:50 AM EDT
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Because I get better speed and accuracy from the 75s. Since the DIY bullets from Hornady lack a cannelure, I either roll my own, or buy my Hornady reman match ammo from Carl Leisinger (CAL III Enterprises). Hornady 3-D brand reman does not use the cannelured 75 HPBT, as it should be for a true match quality load. I am, however, going to do some testing head to head with the Hornady 75 AMAX and Sierra 80 MK at 600 to see which my rifle likes best. But from 0 to 300, Hornady 75 HPBT rules in my rifle. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 12:32:02 PM EDT
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Having one of the ones that did not like the 68gr, I am glad to hear this. I will certainly have to try the new batch as the last 68gr would occasionally have some tremendous but inconsistent performance. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 1:16:55 PM EDT
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Bartholomew_Roberts,
IM me your address for a sample of the new propellant 68s so you can try it, and I can get your opinion. Thanks, Jeff |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 1:25:05 PM EDT
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Hey Jeff, thanks for answering the question. Seems you do not value the target shooter very much. I'll be sure to spread the word. In the meantime, Carl Leisinger's reputation as a guy who listens to his customers grows around the Highpower community. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 1:50:20 PM EDT
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SWO_daddy,
I didn't see a question. I saw an opinion, and someone who was looking for a fight. I offer what I can to answer questions I can help with but I don't have time to spar about nothing. Other knowledgeable folks gave you the same advice I would have. Jeff |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 1:56:18 PM EDT
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QUIT TROLLING. |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 2:00:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2005 2:02:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2005 4:35:09 PM EDT
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sierraeight,
Any plans to offer 5.56 as opposed to the .223? |
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Posted: 1/24/2005 5:22:57 PM EDT
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I read everything on these threads to learn about different types of ammunition and of the different manufacturers Jeff has been one of the few of the reps I can recall ever taking the time to post here in the ammunition forum. I have a low post count because I do more reading than posting, but I will make the effort this time to say that I shoot Black Hills ammunition and I appreciate Jeff posting in this forum. I believe Jeff values all of his customers and I will be sure to spread the word.
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Posted: 1/24/2005 5:43:29 PM EDT
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I love the ass-kissing follow-the-herd mentality of this site.
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Posted: 1/24/2005 5:44:13 PM EDT
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I WANT TO BE UBER TACTICAL!!!!!! |
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