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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2019 5:03:36 PM EDT
The short and sweet of it is I am very happy with it, it looks to be 1 MOA capable (it was 1.5-2 MOA with bulk fmj), light recoil, light weight, massive hard on.
Through sighting it in and playing around with it today it went through 120rds flawlessly. Fit and finish is great as I expect from PWS. It’s not all sunshine and daisies however, there’s a steel insert where the cam pin rests in the receiver. This itself isn’t an issue but they’ve used a screw to hold it in place and covered the head in a rubber knob. Looks funny and bothers me a bit, I am going to ask Brownells if the rubber bit can be removed. The whole reciprocating handle is a bummer but doesn’t seem to get in the way and there’s no adjustable gas block but they did include a suppressed piston sleeve that has some additional venting drilled in. I removed the funky flash hider and replaced it with an FSC556 brake/hider. I plan on having a recoil test against two other rifles, my PWS MK116 and a borrowed basic bitch mid length DI. I was thinking I’d run 10rds into a target at around 25yds as quickly as possible on a timer. I’d then compare group size and speed, if anyone has some suggestions on bettering this test lmk. So far it has a reciprocating weight advantage of 5.1oz against the DI and 7.2oz against the PWS, of course this doesn’t tell the whole story. |
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Posted: 5/10/2019 5:21:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pogmothoin]
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don't 10 in pistol have adj gas block?
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2019 6:09:04 PM EDT
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Yes, I’m currently trying to get one of those gas blocks
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Posted: 5/10/2019 6:19:28 PM EDT
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pix?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2019 8:58:27 PM EDT
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What is actual weight of that upper?
Can you be more specific on the recoil differences? |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2019 10:06:44 PM EDT
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2019 10:59:37 PM EDT
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4.6lbs weight for the upper
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Posted: 5/10/2019 11:47:33 PM EDT
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Very nice 👍
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2019 10:56:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LettersFromEarth:
Very nice 👍 Ditch the buffer tube and put a side folder on it then it will be very nice. Mine comes Mon/Tues. MCX folder and KNS adapter ready to go. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2019 11:15:16 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Not yet. Ditch the buffer tube and put a side folder on it then it will be very nice. Mine comes Mon/Tues. MCX folder and KNS adapter ready to go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Originally Posted By LettersFromEarth:
Very nice 👍 Ditch the buffer tube and put a side folder on it then it will be very nice. Mine comes Mon/Tues. MCX folder and KNS adapter ready to go. 
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2019 2:35:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Mine are on the way, went with the sig stock that adapts a buffer tube for stock selection
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Posted: 5/11/2019 2:54:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180: Mine comes Mon/Tues. MCX folder and KNS adapter ready to go. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/13/2019 4:58:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#12]
Originally Posted By Dusted:
The short and sweet of it is I am very happy with it, it looks to be 1 MOA capable (it was 1.5-2 MOA with bulk fmj), light recoil, light weight, massive hard on. Through sighting it in and playing around with it today it went through 120rds flawlessly. Fit and finish is great as I expect from PWS. It’s not all sunshine and daisies however, there’s a steel insert where the cam pin rests in the receiver. This itself isn’t an issue but they’ve used a screw to hold it in place and covered the head in a rubber knob. Looks funny and bothers me a bit, I am going to ask Brownells if the rubber bit can be removed. The whole reciprocating handle is a bummer but doesn’t seem to get in the way and there’s no adjustable gas block but they did include a suppressed piston sleeve that has some additional venting drilled in. I removed the funky flash hider and replaced it with an FSC556 brake/hider. I plan on having a recoil test against two other rifles, my PWS MK116 and a borrowed basic bitch mid length DI. I was thinking I’d run 10rds into a target at around 25yds as quickly as possible on a timer. I’d then compare group size and speed, if anyone has some suggestions on bettering this test lmk. So far it has a reciprocating weight advantage of 5.1oz against the DI and 7.2oz against the PWS, of course this doesn’t tell the whole story. Dude think about it. Why is it there? Could it be because this is a side folder and doesn't use a stupid buffer tube and the rubber could be a added feature to stop the side folder hitting the receiver????? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/13/2019 5:14:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#13]
Owners be advised..........
The dust cover could, not pop open when firing resulting in the charging handle hitting the plastic cover hard. The cause could be design of dust cover or a strong engagement of the plunger on the dust cover. Before you fire with the dust cover closed, hand cycle the cover open and closed many, many times. This seems to polish the surface where the plunger meets the port and improves the opening action of the cover. I'm not the only one that observed this (handle hitting dust cover). It has been reviewed as an issue. I haven't fired mine yet but confirmed the issue with hand cycles. After many cycles it gets better and better. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 10:20:35 AM EDT
[#14]
Yes I know why they added the rubber, I’m not a fan.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 10:21:07 AM EDT
[#15]
Recoil Testing
https://youtu.be/S604Bvj96dU |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 11:26:31 AM EDT
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And no it won’t run at all with the suppressed cup unsuppressed lol. It doesn’t move far enough back to eject the fired case wether it’s 223 or 556 pressure
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 10:52:10 PM EDT
[#17]
And here it is after a long wait.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 11:28:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Looks good man, how do you like that style of stock?
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2019 11:36:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
Looks good man, how do you like that style of stock? It locks open and closed solid. I mean SOLID to an extreme. Length of pull is short but you can add extensions (riser) to increase it up to 1 inch. I am searching now for a slip on butt pad. One would be nice since the butt is very thin. I really like my choice of a PWS lower. It is perfect and neat. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2019 9:26:32 AM EDT
[#20]
They are excellent lowers, I’m going to pick up my mod 2 ambi lower today
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2019 10:00:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dusted]
[#21]
Finally got my folder set up
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USA
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Posted: 5/21/2019 7:49:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#22]
Excitement seems to be lower on the BRN-180 after the initial push.
Not for me. It fact, FOR ME, the standard AR will be obsolete. For me the BRN-180 is superior. There is nothing in the AR market that would ever get me to buy another one. I have a few and have lost most interest. I am waiting now for a BRN-180 in 7.62X39. People looking at a MCX carbine for something different should look at the BRN-180 first. The BRN-180 is less expensive, less complicated and a better design. I am hoping for some high profile reviews to come out soon. Nutnfancy, Mrgunsngear etc. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2019 3:30:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: comradesabot]
[#23]
In Range has a new review up: https://youtu.be/wAHaF1jPxSc
I'm very interested and even have a spare lower waiting for something. I've always wanted a 180 type gun, but held off for the cost as a shooter of the Stoner or Daewoo with lack of spares and whatnot. |
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Posted: 5/21/2019 3:58:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Excitement seems to be lower on the BRN-180 after the initial push. Not for me. It fact, FOR ME, the standard AR will be obsolete. For me the BRN-180 is superior. There is nothing in the AR market that would ever get me to buy another one. I have a few and have lost most interest. I am waiting now for a BRN-180 in 7.62X39. People looking at a MCX carbine for something different should look at the BRN-180 first. The BRN-180 is less expensive, less complicated and a better design. I am hoping for some high profile reviews to come out soon. Nutnfancy, Mrgunsngear etc. 
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Posted: 5/21/2019 5:09:17 PM EDT
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The 10.5" is going to be where I take the plunge.
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USA
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Posted: 5/21/2019 8:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Excitement seems to be lower on the BRN-180 after the initial push. Not for me. It fact, FOR ME, the standard AR will be obsolete. For me the BRN-180 is superior. There is nothing in the AR market that would ever get me to buy another one. I have a few and have lost most interest. I am waiting now for a BRN-180 in 7.62X39. People looking at a MCX carbine for something different should look at the BRN-180 first. The BRN-180 is less expensive, less complicated and a better design. I am hoping for some high profile reviews to come out soon. Nutnfancy, Mrgunsngear etc. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2019 6:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Excitement seems to be lower on the BRN-180 after the initial push. Not for me. It fact, FOR ME, the standard AR will be obsolete. For me the BRN-180 is superior. There is nothing in the AR market that would ever get me to buy another one. I have a few and have lost most interest. I am waiting now for a BRN-180 in 7.62X39. People looking at a MCX carbine for something different should look at the BRN-180 first. The BRN-180 is less expensive, less complicated and a better design. I am hoping for some high profile reviews to come out soon. Nutnfancy, Mrgunsngear etc. It’s better then the MCX and a better design? Explain.. If you were going to spray diarrhea at least be able to clean it with an explanation |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 12:04:13 AM EDT
[#28]
IMO
vs DI Less reciprocating mass than a DI by 5.1oz (H2) Piston vs DI points vs MCX The rails don’t break apart lol Standard AR lower Cheaper Lighter |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 12:15:01 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
IMO vs DI Less reciprocating mass than a DI by 5.1oz (H2) Piston vs DI points vs MCX The rails don’t break apart lol Standard AR lower Cheaper Lighter AR180’s have very cheap stocks that break often. Thin barrel. Cheap sheet metal upper and lower. MCX is heavier because it is built with a heavier barrel and is more heavy duty. I haven’t seen any broken rails. Virtus has a good trigger. MCX is used around the world. AR180 was really only use in any numbers by the IRA. Don’t let your bias get in the way. I love the 180 but not enough to where I justify it by saying it’s better then a weapon that outperformed in in the late 60’s and 70’s |
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Posted: 5/23/2019 7:13:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexbrooks:
Less reciprocating mass doesn’t mean much. I have an AR180 and it’s a pretty cheap rifle. Stamped and sheet metal. AR180’s have very cheap stocks that break often. Thin barrel. Cheap sheet metal upper and lower. MCX is heavier because it is built with a heavier barrel and is more heavy duty. I haven’t seen any broken rails. Virtus has a good trigger. MCX is used around the world. AR180 was really only use in any numbers by the IRA. Don’t let your bias get in the way. I love the 180 but not enough to where I justify it by saying it’s better then a weapon that outperformed in in the late 60’s and 70’s Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexbrooks:
Originally Posted By Dusted:
IMO vs DI Less reciprocating mass than a DI by 5.1oz (H2) Piston vs DI points vs MCX The rails don’t break apart lol Standard AR lower Cheaper Lighter AR180’s have very cheap stocks that break often. Thin barrel. Cheap sheet metal upper and lower. MCX is heavier because it is built with a heavier barrel and is more heavy duty. I haven’t seen any broken rails. Virtus has a good trigger. MCX is used around the world. AR180 was really only use in any numbers by the IRA. Don’t let your bias get in the way. I love the 180 but not enough to where I justify it by saying it’s better then a weapon that outperformed in in the late 60’s and 70’s |
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 7:56:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexbrooks: Less reciprocating mass doesn’t mean much. I have an AR180 and it’s a pretty cheap rifle. Stamped and sheet metal. AR180’s have very cheap stocks that break often. Thin barrel. Cheap sheet metal upper and lower. MCX is heavier because it is built with a heavier barrel and is more heavy duty. I haven’t seen any broken rails. Virtus has a good trigger. MCX is used around the world. AR180 was really only use in any numbers by the IRA. Don’t let your bias get in the way. I love the 180 but not enough to where I justify it by saying it’s better then a weapon that outperformed in in the late 60’s and 70’s We are talking about the BRN-180 not AR-180. Did you catch that? |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 9:52:00 AM EDT
[#32]
I’m not saying the MCX is a bad rifle, it did have to recall the guide rod assembly as they would break apart during firing. The BRN-180 has the weight and price advantage, I can’t speak to durability yet but it is built plenty strong
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Posted: 5/23/2019 12:27:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
I’m not saying the MCX is a bad rifle, it did have to recall the guide rod assembly as they would break apart during firing. The BRN-180 has the weight and price advantage, I can’t speak to durability yet but it is built plenty strong As to your weight complaint, compare the BRN180 setup to an equivalent MCX legacy setup. They will more than likely be close. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 5:52:51 PM EDT
[#34]
How is the AR15 obsolete compared to the BRN180? You never explained that.
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 6:06:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexbrooks:
How is the AR15 obsolete compared to the BRN180? You never explained that. FOR ME.......... No buffer tube. Side folding. Piston. Cleaner than AR-15. Smoother operating system. Standard AR lower and all that. I prefer it over all my ARs. I can't see myself buying another AR. I will though be buying more variants of the BRN-180. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 7:11:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: What? The only recall I've heard was for the 300BLK models being able to discharge unintendedly with one subset of 300BLK ammo. I've not heard of the assembly breaking while firing. As to your weight complaint, compare the BRN180 setup to an equivalent MCX legacy setup. They will more than likely be close. “The GEN 2 is upgraded with a pin to keep accidental discharges from occurring. But more IMPORTANTLY is the spring plate is pinned. There has been some instances where that plate has becomes dislodged while under recoil…locking up the rifle. Bad.” http://john1911.com/sig-mcx-recoil-replacement-mandatory/ |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 7:21:34 PM EDT
[#37]
As far as weight goes I’ll have to take your word for it as I can’t find any upper weights listed for the MCX legacy or virtus
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Posted: 5/23/2019 7:53:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
Same recall 2 different issues with the original carrier “The GEN 2 is upgraded with a pin to keep accidental discharges from occurring. But more IMPORTANTLY is the spring plate is pinned. There has been some instances where that plate has becomes dislodged while under recoil…locking up the rifle. Bad.” http://john1911.com/sig-mcx-recoil-replacement-mandatory/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
Originally Posted By Zerlak: What? The only recall I've heard was for the 300BLK models being able to discharge unintendedly with one subset of 300BLK ammo. I've not heard of the assembly breaking while firing. As to your weight complaint, compare the BRN180 setup to an equivalent MCX legacy setup. They will more than likely be close. “The GEN 2 is upgraded with a pin to keep accidental discharges from occurring. But more IMPORTANTLY is the spring plate is pinned. There has been some instances where that plate has becomes dislodged while under recoil…locking up the rifle. Bad.” http://john1911.com/sig-mcx-recoil-replacement-mandatory/ I'd be genuinely curious to try a side by side comparison of the BRN 180 system to the MCX. I find the manual of arms control to still be superior on the MCX as it won't have the reciprocating charging handle and will instead mirror all AR controls. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2019 8:57:56 PM EDT
[#39]
That may be my anecdotal evidence coming through, watching it lock up like that.
I’m not sold on the reciprocating handle either, our 2 gun night match is this weekend so we’ll see how it performs |
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2019 9:14:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#40]
Be advised:
This Sig MCX stock has been discontinued and there are just a few NEW in the marketplace left. It is a nice option for the BRN-180. The only place I found them left was at Optics Planet and they have just a few. Code MEMTEN gets a 10% off OR code 2DAYAIR gets you fast shipping. Your choice. https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sauer-mcx-mpx-thin-side-folding-stock-black-stkxfoldthinblk.html 
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2019 9:25:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
That may be my anecdotal evidence coming through, watching it lock up like that. I’m not sold on the reciprocating handle either, our 2 gun night match is this weekend so we’ll see how it performs 1. Acts as a forward assist. The forward assist on an AR-15 was added specifically because it did not have a means to fully control the bolt. 2. Acts as a bolt release when fired folded since the bolt release will be likely covered by the folding stock. This is a huge PLUS. 3. Great positive control of the bolt. 4. Provides ambi function of the bolt release. Bolt can be released both left and right. Something the AR-180 lacks. There is only one down side and that is if you need to fire tight against a barrier. Not a issue 99% of the time. I love the recip handle and Brownells promised different models of the handle soon. |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 9:48:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#42]
A BRN-180 action with a non-reciprocating forward charging handle (ambi or selectable) would be pretty great IMO.
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Posted: 5/24/2019 9:58:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
A BRN-180 action with a non-reciprocating forward charging handle (ambi or selectable) would be pretty great IMO. FNC SCAR M14 M1 Carbine. Mini-14/AC-556 Ruger PC AK-47 ETC, ETC, ETC. |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:09:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
It is not a issue. People need to get over it. FNC SCAR M14 M1 Carbine. Mini-14/AC-556 Ruger PC AK-47 ETC, ETC, ETC. I didn't say it was an issue, I was stating my preference. I'm allowed to have a preference aren't I? One could probably easily convert one to forward charging if I felt the need. Non-reciprocating:  Attached FileReciprocating:  Attached File |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:18:24 AM EDT
[#45]
I’m not a believer that the forward assist assists anything
You should have a lower with an ambi release in 2019
The handle is in a better location than the SCAR so it’s not much of a concern to me I hope they come out with a handle that will fold forward out of the way |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:25:26 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
I’m not a believer that the forward assist assists anything You should have a lower with an ambi release in 2019
The handle is in a better location than the SCAR so it’s not much of a concern to me I hope they come out with a handle that will fold forward out of the way |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:30:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusted:
I hope they come out with a handle that will fold forward out of the way 
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:45:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BRN-180]
[#48]
@militaryarms just got his BRN-180.
I can't wait for his review. Hopefully he reviews it using a side folder lower. |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:55:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
@militaryarms just got his BRN-180. I can't wait for his review. I personally think it's silly, but you'll get warnings for posting links to his stuff. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2019 11:40:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alexbrooks]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
First note that I stated obsolete FOR ME. FOR ME.......... No buffer tube. Side folding. Piston. Cleaner than AR-15. Smoother operating system. Standard AR lower and all that. I prefer it over all my ARs. I can't see myself buying another AR. I will though be buying more variants of the BRN-180. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRN-180:
Originally Posted By Alexbrooks:
How is the AR15 obsolete compared to the BRN180? You never explained that. FOR ME.......... No buffer tube. Side folding. Piston. Cleaner than AR-15. Smoother operating system. Standard AR lower and all that. I prefer it over all my ARs. I can't see myself buying another AR. I will though be buying more variants of the BRN-180. People don’t usually use side folders Piston does nothing better then DI. That’s why DI is dominate. Also more accurate. DI has way smoother operation then piston. Pistons tend to have a violent recoil (Hk416). Piston has more going and is a harsher recoil. It sounds like you have sold yourself on un-truths. If BS’ing yourself makes you feel better then rock on. |
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