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Posted: 10/10/2019 8:43:13 PM EDT
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I thought someone on here was going to be fabricating some pistol blades that were profiled to better resemble an CAR style look (side profile anyway) otherwise it was a blade/brace for an AR pistol. I seem to recall them posting some prototype pics too - but now can't find the thread or who was involved. Did that project work out? Just curious if its still on or not. |
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Posted: 10/10/2019 8:46:20 PM EDT
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That looks like just a regular CAR stock, not a brace.
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Posted: 10/10/2019 9:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat wasn't it - it was where someone had a flat blade that wasn't modded from a stock I believe it was not retractable so the lever/lock was not adjustable it was merely shaped like a CAR stock from side profile - Althoug I dort of like the look of the modded stock too.
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Posted: 10/11/2019 7:51:40 AM EDT
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I thought someone on here was going to be fabricating some pistol blades that were profiled to better resemble an CAR style look (side profile anyway) otherwise it was a blade/brace for an AR pistol. I seem to recall them posting some prototype pics too - but now can't find the thread or who was involved. Did that project work out? Just curious if its still on or not. I’m your huckleberry. I’m actually about a day away from getting the first ‘pre-production’ prototype produced as well, I’ve spent around a hundred man hours developing this thing. As I can’t find anyone selling or willing to sell stock bits I’m just gonna sell the brace and the latch together; one is gonna have to cannibalize the spring and plunger from a standard stock but who doesn’t have two or three of those extra sitting around 
Funny thing is I was actually planning on making a post about this all tomorrow once my pre-production one is done printing! |
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Posted: 10/11/2019 10:57:13 AM EDT
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Definitely want to get my hands on some of these^^^^^
@Red_McCloud - Just Incase you have not already thought of it you may want to make up or include some sort of buffer tube adjustment hole block out plugs similar to what SB Tactical sells to avoid any pistol brace maximum length of pull issues since 13.5” is apparently the magic maximum number. @Red_McCloud - Did you happen to contact Unbranded AR in reference to trying to purchase the stock hardware parts separately? Unbranded AR is the retail side of the business that the wife (Rocky Harrigan) runs but their primary business that her husband operates is an individual small parts supplier to many major gun manufactures. You may be able to make a connection through her. |
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Posted: 10/11/2019 11:21:05 AM EDT
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I’m very interested.
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Posted: 10/11/2019 3:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://imgur.com/a/qGG1XIv I’m your huckleberry. I’m actually about a day away from getting the first ‘pre-production’ prototype produced as well, I’ve spent around a hundred man hours developing this thing. As I can’t find anyone selling or willing to sell stock bits I’m just gonna sell the brace and the latch together; one is gonna have to cannibalize the spring and plunger from a standard stock but who doesn’t have two or three of those extra sitting around
Funny thing is I was actually planning on making a post about this all tomorrow once my pre-production one is done printing! 
Great to hear! Thank you for your effort. Definitely in for some! |
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Posted: 10/11/2019 4:00:12 PM EDT
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I am definitely in for three once you get them churning out. also I would be interested in the file if you decide not to pursue selling them. need to make a 607 blade.
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Posted: 10/11/2019 7:45:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2019 8:34:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2019 8:58:04 PM EDT
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I’d be interested in a couple. Do you an idea on price yet?
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Posted: 10/11/2019 9:47:49 PM EDT
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I’d be interested in a couple. Do you an idea on price yet? Tldr, I dunno but it won’t be more than most lower end braces, this is meant as an alternative to a repro stock so one doesn’t have to pin-and-weld their barrels. |
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Posted: 10/11/2019 10:07:09 PM EDT
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Do you plan to send one to the ATF for approval?
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Posted: 10/11/2019 11:04:17 PM EDT
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Do you plan to send one to the ATF for approval? The obvious being braces don’t need explicit approval anymore as the ATF has clarified that what makes a brace a brace is the manufacturer/designer’s intent, and I intended this to be a brace from the get-go. In the last thread some guy modified an old commercial-spec stock to resemble the Shockwave Blade but it was quickly determined that was a no-no as it was intended to be a stock from the factory. SB Tactical and Flux Defense also haven’t gotten explicit approval for their recent braces and yet they’ve been selling them for at least a year or two in SB Tactical’s case (I recently bought one of their braces for testing and unlike their earlier braces it didn’t come with a copy of the ATF approval letter either) and nothing’s happened. |
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Posted: 10/11/2019 11:32:30 PM EDT
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It curiously looks very "stockish" despite the clear wording that it is not. Is it flexible?
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Posted: 10/12/2019 1:03:08 AM EDT
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It curiously looks very "stockish" despite the clear wording that it is not. Is it flexible? I did try some acetone smoothing on one and it gained considerable flex, but I do not know if that was due to the smoothing process being done correctly or incorrectly. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 2:44:35 AM EDT
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I also have an alternate design that is much, much more like a blatant copy of the Shockwave, just in case the initial design is too problematic for the ATF somehow (which I heavily doubt will be an issue). |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 3:50:42 AM EDT
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The one on the left looks like you took the one on the right, and added a "Keep your flexible brace from bending while you're not using it" reinforcement.
I think I have a brace now, but haven't seen it yet, so I'm hardly expert. I realize BATFE was drunk when they approved these in the 1st place, but they sobered up and then got drunk again, but there's no guarantees they won't sober up again. Personally I wouldn't buy a product from someone who says I really doubt BATFE would have a problem w/ this. It's not his ass in the sling if you get nicked, now is it? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:40:51 AM EDT
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The one on the left looks like you took the one on the right, and added a "Keep your flexible brace from bending while you're not using it" reinforcement. I think I have a brace now, but haven't seen it yet, so I'm hardly expert. I realize BATFE was drunk when they approved these in the 1st place, but they sobered up and then got drunk again, but there's no guarantees they won't sober up again. Personally I wouldn't buy a product from someone who says I really doubt BATFE would have a problem w/ this. It's not his ass in the sling if you get nicked, now is it? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 7:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are quite a few brace products in the market that don't have ATF approval letters. All braces share the same inherent risk - if shoulderable it could be a stock - and BATFE could change its mind on any/all and may do so in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted: There are quite a few brace products in the market that don't have ATF approval letters. All braces share the same inherent risk - if shoulderable it could be a stock - and BATFE could change its mind on any/all and may do so in the future. Quoted:
The one on the left looks like you took the one on the right, and added a "Keep your flexible brace from bending while you're not using it" reinforcement. I think I have a brace now, but haven't seen it yet, so I'm hardly expert. I realize BATFE was drunk when they approved these in the 1st place, but they sobered up and then got drunk again, but there's no guarantees they won't sober up again. Personally I wouldn't buy a product from someone who says I really doubt BATFE would have a problem w/ this. It's not his ass in the sling if you get nicked, now is it? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:49:42 AM EDT
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It's a dirty grey line, but the penalties of stepping across it are high. I'm not hip on every new nuance of brace, albeit I'm aware some are selling w/o Tech Branch letters - I've bought 80% kits w/o Tech Branch letters, and have no issue w/ that. If you're comfortable w/ it, by all means, just understand the potential risk your customers are taking on the basis of your word that it's not a stock.
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:10:56 PM EDT
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It's a dirty grey line, but the penalties of stepping across it are high. I'm not hip on every new nuance of brace, albeit I'm aware some are selling w/o Tech Branch letters - I've bought 80% kits w/o Tech Branch letters, and have no issue w/ that. If you're comfortable w/ it, by all means, just understand the potential risk your customers are taking on the basis of your word that it's not a stock. In other news I’ve managed to print the first non-failed pre-production prototype and it works fantastically. I’m printing them in glossy black PLA+ instead of ABS as ABS is virtually obsolete due to how iffy it is to print and many, many other materials out there that are close enough in strength being miles easier to use like PETG or PLA+. Next stop is printing the latch then some correctly doing acetone smoothing and I’ll then think of selling some. |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 4:59:39 PM EDT
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Do you plan to send one to the ATF for approval? BATFE has no authority to approve or disapprove. They can only issue an "opinion letter," and the opinion letter is simply how a low level govvie happens to feel about it. An opinion letter is 100% worthless. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 1:00:24 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/Eka5jEV.png I also have an alternate design that is much, much more like a blatant copy of the Shockwave, just in case the initial design is too problematic for the ATF somehow (which I heavily doubt will be an issue). |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 9:15:09 PM EDT
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Due to the feedback on this thread, I've created an intermediate design that I think will satiate not only myself but those who argue that it doesn't look enough like a brace. This is the bare-minimum I can keep while still keeping the side profile, while also heavily reducing the rear "shoulderable" space. I hope this pleases everyone, because I had already started printing production ones based off the previous design and now I have to reprint some more 
Here's a comparison between all three iterations (purple is this one, green is previous, black is the 'coward brace' as I've come to call it bc it sucks lmao). 
Oh well, I should have some of these done by the end of the month. Right now I'm prototyping a printed stock pin and nut assembly which so far, if you don't brute-force it, seems to be working great. The first ones will likely come with 'stock lock' kits though as I am still having trouble finding springs. But hey, if anyone wants to buy the few I've printed of the previous design with their latches sans internal parts, be my guest, they're $20 a pop (I pay shipping) just so I can recoup some of my lost man hours doin' all this
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Posted: 10/20/2019 10:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://i.imgur.com/xfbCeZS.png Due to the feedback on this thread, I've created an intermediate design that I think will satiate not only myself but those who argue that it doesn't look enough like a brace. This is the bare-minimum I can keep while still keeping the side profile, while also heavily reducing the rear "shoulderable" space. I hope this pleases everyone, because I had already started printing production ones based off the previous design and now I have to reprint some more
Here's a comparison between all three iterations (purple is this one, green is previous, black is the 'coward brace' as I've come to call it bc it sucks lmao). https://i.imgur.com/G1kLPCo.png Oh well, I should have some of these done by the end of the month. Right now I'm prototyping a printed stock pin and nut assembly which so far, if you don't brute-force it, seems to be working great. The first ones will likely come with 'stock lock' kits though as I am still having trouble finding springs. But hey, if anyone wants to buy the few I've printed of the previous design with their latches sans internal parts, be my guest, they're $20 a pop (I pay shipping) just so I can recoup some of my lost man hours doin' all this |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:47:51 AM EDT
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Kudos for your initiative....is it problematic to have a sling loop on a pistol though? I personally don't think so (call it an oversized lanyard point or an aesthetic feature because being on a friction mount alone the blade should itself be unsuitable for slinging?) but BATF can be weird depending on who is in charge at the moment (which is why we should encourage everyone to exercise their right to vote, especially next year ).
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Posted: 10/21/2019 1:26:46 PM EDT
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Kudos for your initiative....is it problematic to have a sling loop on a pistol though? I personally don't think so (call it an oversized lanyard point or an aesthetic feature because being on a friction mount alone the blade should itself be unsuitable for slinging?) but BATF can be weird depending on who is in charge at the moment (which is why we should encourage everyone to exercise their right to vote, especially next year ). Shockwave blade for example. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 5:22:32 PM EDT
[#29]
This is awesome, I'd be interested in 2
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:12:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Interested to see the prototype, might be in for one!
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Posted: 10/25/2019 4:32:37 PM EDT
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Apologies for the delay, ran out of filament and was trying a new printing method.
I’ve decided to sell these “in the white”, as in devoid of any painting or sanding, as my experiments with a few prototypes looked kind of awful and didn’t come out great at all. However, I think the filament I use does a pretty good job of replicating a similar finish, and you’re free to paint and sand to your heart’s content. Anyways, the prices are listed as thus: I have two ‘blemished’ braces that were supposed to be my first production models, but I miscalculated how much filament I had left and ran out at the literal last few layers. As such, the end of these two are open, but otherwise theyre effectively identical. I’m selling them for $15 each as I’m disappointed in myself for not doing the right filament calculations lmao. The next two are prototypes of the previous intended “production” version, with the larger smoothed buttpad. After a few people voiced their concerns I redesigned the thing, but not after printing two pre-production models of the last design. These are $20 just like before. Finally there’s the 4 “production”* braces. These are the final (at this stage) product, however, I’m one person with a 3D printer who ain’t even that skilled with it. I rub shoulders with a lot of 3D printed gun groups, and that’s manifested in at least a decent quality print. Every one of these is fitted and cleaned up, but there might be a few dings and scrapes here or there. Price is $30. All of these include latches and printed stock pins and nuts; all you need to do is supply a spring from a donor stock, like one of those M4 stocks everyone seems to have at least 4 extra of  . Like before, I'll deal with the shipping.PM me if you want em, I’m printing two more right now. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:03:17 AM EDT
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To those who’ve gotten theirs already (I’ve shipped at least 6 of these things and they should be arriving to multiple people), post pics of your builds if you put em on any, I’m intrigued to see how y’all use it!
And to those who want to order more, I’ve got 4 more braces ready to go. Plan to print up to 20ish of em (already lost track lmfao) so get em while they’re hot. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 8:30:00 AM EDT
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Email sent.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:42:41 PM EDT
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PM sent, I will take one of the final products, Thanks!
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Posted: 11/1/2019 9:41:49 PM EDT
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I put the first one I received (I ordered 3 in total)
It looks great - very retro profile from the side! This is on a 9mm project. It looks sooo much better than the modern blade.  " />
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Posted: 11/3/2019 12:12:25 AM EDT
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Well done, Red. Looking forward to the final product.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 12:25:05 AM EDT
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Oh shit, I want two. How?
ETA email sent |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 12:38:10 AM EDT
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I put the first one I received (I ordered 3 in total) It looks great - very retro profile from the side! This is on a 9mm project. It looks sooo much better than the modern blade. https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg" target="_blank">https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
I put the first one I received (I ordered 3 in total) It looks great - very retro profile from the side! This is on a 9mm project. It looks sooo much better than the modern blade. https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg" target="_blank">https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg Quoted:
Oh shit, I want two. How? ETA email sent Quoted:
Well done, Red. Looking forward to the final product. |
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Posted: 11/3/2019 3:44:04 PM EDT
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Red - all done - thank you!
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Posted: 11/4/2019 6:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I put the first one I received (I ordered 3 in total) It looks great - very retro profile from the side! This is on a 9mm project. It looks sooo much better than the modern blade. https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg" target="_blank">https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/003_zpsp4gyzup6.jpg |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 3:21:06 PM EDT
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The brace arrived today! I have to say that I am quite happy with it.
It fit a little loose on my milspec extension, but I was thrilled to find out that it fit one of my old “oddball’ 3 position extentions! Really the only thing I might change is the way the lower body is made...having two pieces bonded together by the back piece would be stronger as one piece bonded by the back piece (if I am making any sense?). Going out to the range to break this in tomorrow, Thanks Again Red! 
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Posted: 11/6/2019 5:55:22 PM EDT
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That would look great on a 9mm colt clone
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Posted: 11/6/2019 7:47:23 PM EDT
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Man, now I wanna do a DOE clone with one of these...
That's a great looking gun. |
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Posted: 11/6/2019 7:58:56 PM EDT
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Cant wait to get mine
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Posted: 11/7/2019 8:11:55 AM EDT
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Those turned out really nice.
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Posted: 11/7/2019 11:37:34 AM EDT
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Got mine yesterday, not a "retro" but I put it on my MK18 Mod 0 clone, looks and feels great. Will definitely get another when I get to my xm177 build.
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Posted: 11/7/2019 11:39:42 AM EDT
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How well would this thing take paint? Rustoleum plastic type paint or Arvoe? I like it, but I would need it in OD to match my purse!
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Posted: 11/7/2019 12:44:28 PM EDT
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Got mine yesterday, not a "retro" but I put it on my MK18 Mod 0 clone, looks and feels great. Will definitely get another when I get to my xm177 build. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49029368727_d4c225c132_o.jpg |
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Posted: 11/7/2019 1:41:24 PM EDT
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How well would this thing take paint? Rustoleum plastic type paint or Arvoe? I like it, but I would need it in OD to match my purse! |
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Posted: 11/7/2019 1:46:27 PM EDT
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The brace arrived today! I have to say that I am quite happy with it. It fit a little loose on my milspec extension, but I was thrilled to find out that it fit one of my old “oddball’ 3 position extentions! Really the only thing I might change is the way the lower body is made...having two pieces bonded together by the back piece would be stronger as one piece bonded by the back piece (if I am making any sense?). Going out to the range to break this in tomorrow, Thanks Again Red! https://i.ibb.co/ZBCLXPk/5321-EFD4-CB8-B-49-C1-8-C65-77483677-F798.jpg Holy hell, though, everyone’s builds look great and I’m quite flattered by the reception! I’ve got about two left out of 15 I printed (planned to do 20 originally but decided against it due to being quite sick of dealing with the post office for the time being lmao) so if anybody wants them, you know where I am. I’m already getting ideas for a ‘Mk2’ version based off some feedback, too, soooooo...
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