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Posted: 5/24/2019 9:48:51 AM EDT
New production, Mil-Spec Tube Diameter CAR-15 Buttstocks now available. Produced by B5 Systems for Brownells.
Available now - $39.99 
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Posted: 5/24/2019 10:32:57 AM EDT
[#1]
Very nice.
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Posted: 5/24/2019 11:02:46 AM EDT
[#2]
Very nice!
I'm also glad I was finally able to backorder some black XM16E1 lowers recently, thank you for that. I have a few gray Nodaks, but I wanted to build a few "shooters" and it's much easier sourcing black parts than gray. In fact, one of these stocks will be just what I need. |
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Posted: 5/24/2019 11:06:46 AM EDT
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Wish it was aluminum, but at least it will fit better now than the one that came on my XM. Thank you.
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Posted: 5/24/2019 12:15:09 PM EDT
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Very nice
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Posted: 5/24/2019 12:56:08 PM EDT
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Good on Brownells and B5 System!
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Posted: 5/30/2019 12:20:18 PM EDT
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I lucked out and sold my colt N1 for a stupendously price last week. Now I can replace it.
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Posted: 5/31/2019 9:38:42 PM EDT
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Good on Brownells and B5 System! |
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Posted: 5/31/2019 9:58:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2019 6:48:20 AM EDT
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This might sound crazy - but is there anyway Brownells could make a retro-looking "blade" or "brace" that better resembles this retro stock?
I know the braces and blades must have certain features - but it seems like just a little bit of effort on shape and external appearance could accommodate retro pistol fans. |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 10:14:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Very nice,glad to see this!!
thanks Brownells |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 11:27:17 PM EDT
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For the uninformed (me
 ), how does the Brownells compare to the M&A Parts carbine stock?
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Posted: 6/1/2019 11:31:10 PM EDT
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For the uninformed (me ), how does the Brownells compare to the M&A Parts carbine stock?https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/MA-Parts-CAR-stock-issue/127-739366/ |
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Posted: 6/2/2019 8:40:59 PM EDT
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For the uninformed (me ), how does the Brownells compare to the M&A Parts carbine stock?I'm nearly tempted to buy one just to compare it to my M&A. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 5:45:21 AM EDT
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Well, it looks to have the correct style roll pinned nut for the adjustment pin. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/MA-Parts-CAR-stock-issue/127-739366/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the uninformed (me ), how does the Brownells compare to the M&A Parts carbine stock?https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/MA-Parts-CAR-stock-issue/127-739366/ Not even sure why M&A made that stupid move. |
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Posted: 6/4/2019 8:10:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the Brownell's has the proper toe angle. I'm nearly tempted to buy one just to compare it to my M&A. |
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Posted: 6/4/2019 8:56:01 AM EDT
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This might sound crazy - but is there anyway Brownells could make a retro-looking "blade" or "brace" that better resembles this retro stock? I know the braces and blades must have certain features - but it seems like just a little bit of effort on shape and external appearance could accommodate retro pistol fans. |
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Posted: 6/4/2019 9:57:08 AM EDT
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Ok, I'm going to go against the grain slightly.
I like the new butstock, but at $35-40, I have an issue. They just recently had commercial tube ones that were $20-25. I get that they may not have been 100% correct for cloners, but I have commercial tubes that I still would like to put CAR looking stocks on. By discontinuing the commercial and cheaper stocks, I'm going to have to go somewhere else since these are for cheap range guns and I'm not creating super-correct clones. I'm going to link the old listing here--no idea how long they will leave it up. Brownell's, if you are reading this, please IM me f you have a couple of the old commercial ones floating around the warehouse at the old price! https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/buttstocks/m4-xm177-car-buttstock-commercial-prod109897.aspx?psize=96 078-000-374WB M4 XM177 CAR Buttstock Commercial Black Mfr Part: F1003691 Discontinued by Brownells View Alternatives Product has been discontinued and no longer available. 
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Posted: 6/4/2019 1:20:38 PM EDT
[#18]
I was going to come over to Grinnell for the 80th anniversary shindig this Saturday. You got these in the store?
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Posted: 6/4/2019 2:42:45 PM EDT
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Anybody know the weight?
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Posted: 6/4/2019 3:02:33 PM EDT
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Anybody know the weight? Nice SRA avatar btw. |
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Posted: 6/4/2019 3:09:30 PM EDT
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...trying to make one that fit the parameters for a blade myself... general consensus...ATF will shoot your dog if you do anything without a letter. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get a retro blade out of an N1 base by removing the surface area on the back which normally sits on ones shoulder and pinning it in place. 1) BATFE Opinion Letters are worthless. It's just some the opinion of whatever govvie gets assigned to respond. Ask again, get a different guy, get a different opinion- just as worthless WRT law or justice. 2) BATFE is not issuing any more Opinion Letters for anything that is not attached to a complete, working firearm. 3) There are not "parameters" or guidelines to follow- it depends on how you claim to "design" it*. I design all my CAR and M4 type braces to be fired with a Velcro brand cord-keeper from Walmart through the slots, and strapped to my forearm. In practice though, I fire from the shoulder. *This is exactly how the SBA3 is sold today- no BATFE Opinion Letter issued, "We designed it as a brace." |
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Posted: 6/4/2019 6:49:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Well who has one that they would like to provide a review on? Fit would be the most important aspect to me.
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Posted: 6/5/2019 3:30:19 AM EDT
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Your post made me think about butchering up an N1 (or one of these clones) and trying to make one that fit the parameters for a blade myself, but the general consensus on the forums seems to be the ATF will shoot your dog if you do anything without a letter. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get a retro blade out of an N1 base by removing the surface area on the back which normally sits on ones shoulder and pinning it in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This might sound crazy - but is there anyway Brownells could make a retro-looking "blade" or "brace" that better resembles this retro stock? I know the braces and blades must have certain features - but it seems like just a little bit of effort on shape and external appearance could accommodate retro pistol fans. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 9:58:48 AM EDT
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Ok, I'm going to go against the grain slightly. I like the new butstock, but at $35-40, I have an issue. They just recently had commercial tube ones that were $20-25. I get that they may not have been 100% correct for cloners, but I have commercial tubes that I still would like to put CAR looking stocks on. By discontinuing the commercial and cheaper stocks, I'm going to have to go somewhere else since these are for cheap range guns and I'm not creating super-correct clones. I'm going to link the old listing here--no idea how long they will leave it up. Brownell's, if you are reading this, please IM me f you have a couple of the old commercial ones floating around the warehouse at the old price! https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/buttstocks/m4-xm177-car-buttstock-commercial-prod109897.aspx?psize=96 078-000-374WB M4 XM177 CAR Buttstock Commercial Black Mfr Part: F1003691 Discontinued by Brownells View Alternatives Product has been discontinued and no longer available. https://cdn-us-ec.yottaa.net/53ff2f503c881650e20004c9/www.brownells.com/v~4b.103/userdocs/products/p_078000374_2.jpg?yocs=p_&yoloc=us |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 10:45:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy over on AK Files is selling a CAR-15 stock for $30; I asked him to send me some pics and answer if it is a mil-spec or commercial-spec. He only sent pics, and comparing it to the photo of the discontinued Brownells commercial stock, it appears to be the same. Mold lines, rough appearance, no tube reinforcements. Almost appears to be Airsoft quality, IMHO. 
For $22 shipped a guy cannot really bitch. Eta: still NOT an N1. M&A have been the best copies, IMO. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 12:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy over on AK Files is selling a CAR-15 stock for $30; I asked him to send me some pics and answer if it is a mil-spec or commercial-spec. He only sent pics, and comparing it to the photo of the discontinued Brownells commercial stock, it appears to be the same. Mold lines, rough appearance, no tube reinforcements. Almost appears to be Airsoft quality, IMHO. I guess to refine my point a bit, Brownells is offering a mil spec for nearly double the price of the commercial spec, and discontinuing the commercial spec stock. While I completely agree the mil spec is more correct, I wish they would continue to offer both. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 12:46:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Guys. OpusProxy has an extra he offered me. I guess to refine my point a bit, Brownells is offering a mil spec for nearly double the price of the commercial spec, and discontinuing the commercial spec stock. While I completely agree the mil spec is more correct, I wish they would continue to offer both. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 12:51:43 PM EDT
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The commercial stock probably wasn't selling in sufficient numbers leading to the lower price and discontinuance. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 3:25:43 PM EDT
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I've got a spare clone stock and I'm gonna sacrifice it in the name of retro collectors everywhere to see what a proper retro brace could look like. Pics will be posted to this thread tomorrow night. Stay tuned....... |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 10:51:07 PM EDT
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Here is where I'm at now. Most of the chopping is done. I figure about an hour with some sandpaper and a small file to smooth the rough edges and thin out the area around the buffer tube and it will look great. I think it still retains the retro look quite well and should legally qualify as a brace and not a stock.
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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:03:03 PM EDT
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Ok crappy iPhone pics.
Top is a Colt N, the Brownells is middle, and the bottom is from TNTE. The Brownells fits the same as the Colt on the Colt RE. 
The “B” stamp under the latch. I’ve only had the stock a couple of days, no range time yet. It has a flat finish and appears to be as well made as the original. May be better depending on the materials. Yes there is a roll pin in the latch. First impressions are good. I would get another if needed. |
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Posted: 6/5/2019 11:16:31 PM EDT
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Ok crappy iPhone pics. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124234/9F105A64-8FB0-4486-9EB6-3CC82239FFC3-970256.jpg Top is a Colt N, the Brownells is middle, and the bottom is from TNTE. The Brownells fits the same as the Colt on the Colt RE. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124234/DE90F1F2-514B-4BAA-A634-2500BEE5945A-970257.jpg The “B” stamp under the latch. I’ve only had the stock a couple of days, no range time yet. It has a flat finish and appears to be as well made as the original. May be better depending on the materials. Yes there is a roll pin in the latch. First impressions are good. I would get another if needed. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:10:42 AM EDT
[#33]
Cool thanks I think I will try one out
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Posted: 6/6/2019 1:22:01 PM EDT
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I think it still retains the retro look quite well and should legally qualify as a brace and not a stock. It was "legally qualified" as a brace as soon as you added the velcro and designed it that way. There is no law that says a brace can't collapse, a brace can't fold, a brace must be cheeked, arm must touch the entire RE, butt face must be smaller than the end of the RE (yours is not... but don't worry). Everything the Internet is chumping on is just the opinion of a low-level govvie, who works for the Executive Branch, who reviewed a similar product and documented his (worthless in court) opinion. Ask again and you'll get a different guy with a different opinion. (Actually... don't ask again.) |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 3:09:08 PM EDT
[#35]
ordered one
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Posted: 6/6/2019 3:36:51 PM EDT
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What do you think you accomplished there? Now with the flat surface at the rear removed it is inline with other items sold as a brace. Seems simple enough. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 3:37:28 PM EDT
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What do you think you accomplished there? It was "legally qualified" as a brace as soon as you added the velcro and designed it that way. There is no law that says a brace can't collapse, a brace can't fold, a brace must be cheeked, arm must touch the entire RE, butt face must be smaller than the end of the RE (yours is not... but don't worry). Everything the Internet is chumping on is just the opinion of a low-level govvie, who works for the Executive Branch, who reviewed a similar product and documented his (worthless in court) opinion. Ask again and you'll get a different guy with a different opinion. (Actually... don't ask again.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it still retains the retro look quite well and should legally qualify as a brace and not a stock. It was "legally qualified" as a brace as soon as you added the velcro and designed it that way. There is no law that says a brace can't collapse, a brace can't fold, a brace must be cheeked, arm must touch the entire RE, butt face must be smaller than the end of the RE (yours is not... but don't worry). Everything the Internet is chumping on is just the opinion of a low-level govvie, who works for the Executive Branch, who reviewed a similar product and documented his (worthless in court) opinion. Ask again and you'll get a different guy with a different opinion. (Actually... don't ask again.)  ). I would square up the bottom add a slot and actually feed the velro through existing one on top and the one added on the bottom. The Velcro would then be squared off.
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Posted: 6/6/2019 3:39:11 PM EDT
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M and A parts sells a similar “mil spec” stock for $25
Ordered one about 6 months ago and I have been happy with it for the price. M and A Parts stock  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 3:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't think slapping velcro on a stock makes it a brace. Take velcro off it becomes a stock again. Modding the rear enough to make it uncomfortable to shoulder, and roughly 10% different than the OE stock ( how to measure 10% that is ). I would square up the bottom add a slot and actually feed the velro through existing one on top and the one added on the bottom. The Velcro would then be squared off.But at the very least, it DOES need some major cleaning up (like sanding off the texturing on the back and cleaning up the edges). The rear should look more like a Shockwave Blade if one wants to be safe. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 4:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the fact that I can take the velcro strap off my SOB47 stock and it doesn't become a stock kinda defeats that first statement. With stuff like braces, it's all about the manufacturer's intent. The guy's hackjob is rough but if the intent was to make a brace, he made a brace. But at the very least, it DOES need some major cleaning up (like sanding off the texturing on the back and cleaning up the edges). The rear should look more like a Shockwave Blade if one wants to be safe. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 9:09:29 PM EDT
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A modded stock is not a brace.
It is still a stock. NFA pecker slap waiting there. |
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Posted: 6/6/2019 9:11:43 PM EDT
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M and A parts sells a similar “mil spec” stock for $25 Ordered one about 6 months ago and I have been happy with it for the price. M and A Parts stock https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/250352/01026E86-EB42-4188-B58A-05808CAA935D_jpeg-970778.JPG Current models have a fuckey latch assy. though. E clip retainer sucks. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:23:14 AM EDT
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Almost finished. I just have to knock down the checkering on what used to be the buttplate and try to blend the sides in a bit more. Directly below the first picture is a shockwave brace, I'm trying to make my brace look like this from the rear so there's no mistaking this as a brace. This will be a much better looking brace for a retro pistol than an sba3, and less than 1/3 the cost of one too.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 7:41:48 AM EDT
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Don't think slapping velcro on a stock makes it a brace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Don't think slapping velcro on a stock makes it a brace. it uncomfortable to shoulder, and roughly 10% different than the OE stock ( how to measure 10% that is ). The important word is "designed," which is why I design every sliding-end-piece in my collection as a brace as soon as it touches the buffer tube. Velcro can be installed or not installed on a brace, it doesn't change anything (see- Shockwave Blade). A can of A&W Root beer inside an SB tactical brace does not change anything. Sliding or folding the brace does not change anything. Cheeking or shouldering the brace does not change anything. If it makes you happy to mutilate your stocks, then I'm not mad (until you start chopping up original stuff). Do whatever makes you happy, or feel safe. We all enjoy as much Liberty as we allow ourselves to. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:05:29 PM EDT
[#45]
that looks great, I wish the shockwave two was exactly this so much retro pistol potential.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:21:46 PM EDT
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I just snagged an identical Taiwanese one from someone for $5,spring buffer and all.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't tell me- tell SB Tactical and everyone in the world who purchased their product... because that's exactly what they did. LOL- is that the standard, Professor? I could BS my way into 10%... but it wouldn't make a difference because "the 10% rule of bracing" is something you just made up out of thin air. I'd be more interested in how you intend to measure "uncomfortable." The important word is "designed," which is why I design every sliding-end-piece in my collection as a brace as soon as it touches the buffer tube. Velcro can be installed or not installed on a brace, it doesn't change anything (see- Shockwave Blade). A can of A&W Root beer inside an SB tactical brace does not change anything. Sliding or folding the brace does not change anything. Cheeking or shouldering the brace does not change anything. If it makes you happy to mutilate your stocks, then I'm not mad (until you start chopping up original stuff). Do whatever makes you happy, or feel safe. We all enjoy as much Liberty as we allow ourselves to. The "10% rule of bracing" (vague, yes and it may have been as high as 20%) was an old accepted manufacturing standard to make a foreign made base product a US made product (example back in the 90s -- bike frames from overseas had 10% finishing operations here and then labeled US made) , and to copy an existing product and sell as a new product. It also made a product enough different from a Trademark, or Copyrighted item to sell w/o being sued. Manufacturing rules applied/still apply to everything that was/is manufactured. If the above poster had not done any mods to the stock other than adding velcro, the device in question, was originally designed as a stock, which now has a velcro strap on it. If the strap is removed it is a stock, w/o a velcro strap on it. If the poster had built the base stock himself, added the strap, then maybe he designed it as a brace... By removing enough material (hacking) from the originally designed as a stock, stock, (very nice work by the way), you can say that it is now a "designed as a brace" device w/ or w/o the velcro. Unless ATF applies the once a machinegun always a machine gun standard... Or the slidefire wasn't but now is... Or.... ... right of the people to...shall not be infringed. (a real period but no one cares). Last I checked SBR's, select fire R's, machine guns were Arms (and they are even used by a millitia). Exercise all the Freedom you desire but be aware the Machine may grind you into the dust as a result. Freedom? Liberty? Right? Wrong? That died along time ago and was replaced with our current Shitshow. I HOPE IT MAKES A COMEBACK Until it does we remain in WTF World and I can't find my donuts
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Posted: 6/7/2019 7:20:26 PM EDT
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Almost finished. I just have to knock down the checkering on what used to be the buttplate and try to blend the sides in a bit more. Directly below the first picture is a shockwave brace, I'm trying to make my brace look like this from the rear so there's no mistaking this as a brace. This will be a much better looking brace for a retro pistol than an sba3, and less than 1/3 the cost of one too. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66729/2019-06-06_23_13_49_jpg-971366.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66729/KAK-SHKWV-BLK-2M_02_jpg-971371.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66729/2019-06-06_23_12_33_jpg-971367.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66729/2019-06-06_23_12_45_jpg-971368.JPG Somebody could try to get Brownells on the horn and point out this concept to them, with how the newest braces are coming out, and how this is all on manufacturer’s intent... they could just modify theirs from the factory as braces and then we can have threaded barrel XM177s??
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Posted: 6/7/2019 9:28:20 PM EDT
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The "10% rule of bracing"... back in the 90s -- bike frames from overseas had 10% finishing operations... Freedom? Liberty? Right? Wrong? That died along time ago... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 10:06:25 PM EDT
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Just keeping it technical, hate clowns ,
and today really is National Donut day 
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