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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2022 12:47:48 PM EDT
[#1]
"Ma! I want a HRT Clone!"
"You have one at home!"  Only thing correct is the barrel and barrel attachment lol |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:48:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: "Ma! I want a HRT Clone!" "You have one at home!" https://i.ibb.co/vDq69B0/20221110-103533.jpg Only thing correct is the barrel and barrel attachment lol  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2022 12:24:30 AM EDT
[#3]
I recently, picked up a 9" Troy Alpha in FDE from a buddy as a result of some trading. Would the only clone this would work for be an early model FBI HRT clone? Any help/insight is appreciated, would like to use it rather than go through the hassle of selling it.
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Posted: 11/16/2022 1:25:08 AM EDT
[#4]
You could do that with the heavier profile Colt 11.5" barrel
Is anyone looking for a deal on M4 Troy BUIS for one of these? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 6:12:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: You could do that with the heavier profile Colt 11.5" barrel Is anyone looking for a deal on M4 Troy BUIS for one of these? Man, if only you’d asked a couple months ago. While accumulating parts one at a time, I accidentally ended up with 2 rear sights! Luckily Primary Arms took care of me and I got a front sight fairly quickly. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:16:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: leerx]
[#6]
Gonna finally build one of these.
The barrel part is most confusing. I want this to be agency coreect. What is clone correct for a Gen 2 ODG rail? Fsp removed vs non fsp, heavy vs standard? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: Gonna finally build one of these. The barrel part is most confusing. I want this to be agency coreect. What is clone correct for a Gen 2 ODG rail? Fsp removed vs non fsp, heavy vs standard? Lightweight barrel with a .750 gas block journal, LPGB, not a cut down FSB. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/25/2022 5:26:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Lightweight barrel with a .750 gas block journal, LPGB, not a cut down FSB. Thanks, whats the gas port on these barrels? This is the 6933 non-fsp? |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: Thanks, whats the gas port on these barrels? This is the 6933 non-fsp? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Lightweight barrel with a .750 gas block journal, LPGB, not a cut down FSB. Thanks, whats the gas port on these barrels? This is the 6933 non-fsp? Yes, 6933 barrel. I’m not certain about the gas port. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 2:05:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: Thanks, whats the gas port on these barrels? This is the 6933 non-fsp? Colt 6933 barrel has .074 gas port |
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USA
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:31:14 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks!
Isnt the 0.074 gas port + the non ported gas block not clone correct? I was under the assumption 0.074 gas ports were tuned down with the ported gas block. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 4:48:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Anyone know of a pic of a rifle with a black EXPS?
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Posted: 11/26/2022 4:49:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: Thanks! Isnt the 0.074 gas port + the non ported gas block not clone correct? I was under the assumption 0.074 gas ports were tuned down with the ported gas block. There’s been some debate about that. I was under the impression they were, so I had BRT do a gas port insert to restrict mine to, I think, 0.069. I don’t think BRT offers the insert anymore, but you could get their restricted gas tube. So far mine is functioning great and is very soft shooting, but I don’t have a whole lot of rounds through it yet. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 9:01:54 AM EDT
[#14]
I might be, why do you ask?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: Is anyone looking for a deal on M4 Troy BUIS for one of these? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 9:12:12 AM EDT
[#15]
I'm thinking about building one of these but with a 10.3 barrel
I'm on a 10.3 kick and I really don't care about the 1.2" difference in the barrel length Does anyone know if that is possible or will the raill go past the end of the threads? Eventually I will run it suppressed so I was going to use something like a closed tine Surefire Warcomp If the 10" Gen 2 Federal rail will not work is the 9.3 M-Lok Mk 4 rail the same as the original Gen 1 Federal Rail? |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 9:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: I'm thinking about building one of these but with a 10.3 barrel I'm on a 10.3 kick and I really don't care about the 1.2" difference in the barrel length Does anyone know if that is possible or will the raill go past the end of the threads? Eventually I will run it suppressed so I was going to use something like a closed tine Surefire Warcomp If the 10" Gen 2 Federal rail will not work is the 9.3 M-Lok Mk 4 rail the same as the original Gen 1 Federal Rail? Here’s my 10.5. The plan b tucks under the handguard  |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 10:33:36 AM EDT
[#17]
Thanks
What is "Plan B" Can you post a close up of the rail to suppressor transition so I can see the gap? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Winniethepooh: Here’s my 10.5. The plan b tucks under the handguard https://i.imgur.com/xZqryxG.jpg |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 11:21:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ducati650]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: I'm thinking about building one of these but with a 10.3 barrel I'm on a 10.3 kick and I really don't care about the 1.2" difference in the barrel length Does anyone know if that is possible or will the raill go past the end of the threads? Eventually I will run it suppressed so I was going to use something like a closed tine Surefire Warcomp If the 10" Gen 2 Federal rail will not work is the 9.3 M-Lok Mk 4 rail the same as the original Gen 1 Federal Rail? My 10.5" BA 5.56mm barrel and Mk4 9.5" rail. The current Mk4 rail is listed as 9.3" by Geissele.  Attached FileThis is the 10.5" BA 5.56mm barrel with a 9.3" Geissele Mk16 rail.  Attached FileHere is a dedicated 22rf SBR using the 9.5" Mk rail and a 22rf M4 barrel cut by John Thomas to 10.3" equivalent length.  Attached File Attached FileJust for reference, Here is the 22rf 10.3"/Geissele Mk4 (9.5") and another 22rf 10.3" with a DD Mk18 rail.  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 11:52:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BobaDebt]
[#19]
It doesn't look possible to use the 10" Gen 2 Mk 4 Rail with a 10.3 barrel
If you used a 10.5" barrel it looks like it would be super close Since I'm not going for a 100% clone, I think I will just go with the 9.3" Mk 4 Rail I just wish they made the Mlk4 Federal Rail available in the 9.3" length, I like the extended length of the 6 o'clock rail Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ducati650: My 10.5" BA 5.56mm barrel and Mk4 9.5" rail. The current Mk4 rail is listed as 9.3" by Geissele. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_2730_JPG-2615530.JPG This is the 10.5" BA 5.56mm barrel with a 9.3" Geissele Mk16 rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/68928580790__4ED2A404-D8C8-4932-839D-F26-2615515.JPG Here is a dedicated 22rf SBR using the 9.5" Mk rail and a 22rf M4 barrel cut by John Thomas to 10.3" equivalent length. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_2769_jpg-2615525.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_2770_jpg-2615501.JPG Just for reference, Here is the 22rf 10.3"/Geissele Mk4 (9.5") and another 22rf 10.3" with a DD Mk18 rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_2762_jpg-2615523.JPG |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 12:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: It doesn't look possible to use the 10" Gen 2 Mk 4 Rail with a 10.3 barrel If you used a 10.5" barrel it looks like it would be super close Since I not going for a 100% clone, I think I will just go with the 9.3" Mk 4 Rail I just wish they have the Mlk4 Federal Rail available in the 9.3" length, I like the extended length of the 6 o'clock rail I would have to agree. The 10" Federal Mk4 and a 10.3" will not work. I don't think a 10.5 barrel would work unless you used a spacer of some sort and a muzzle device that has a long entry section like some of the Surefire units. See my 14.0" barrel/13.5" rail details below. What I did might work with a 10.5" barrel and 10" rail. Food for thought: Here is a 13.5" Geissele Mk8 rail and a BRT 14.0" barrel ("BRT 14.0" OPTIMUM MPC Barrel , MID Length"). To get it to work and allow my suppressor to mount, required a small spacer. I ended up using 3 of the thick, precision Surefire base washers instead of just the one washer that comes in their shim kit. I then shimmed normally to clock the mount as desired. It works fine, has never worked lose and suppressor alignment with a Geissele test rod was perfect. I needed 3 washers to be able to fit the RC2 with the lock-ring in the open position. Without concerns of fitting the RC2, I think 2 thick washers (or maybe just one) would have been enough.  Attached File3 washers plus normal shims brought the end of the Warcomp flush with the rail.  Attached File3 washers visible.  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:21:54 PM EDT
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The more I think about the more I think the 9.3 Rail makes more sense with the 10.3 barrel
When I built my URG-I I used the same format Plus it is probably easier to get a blem Mk 4 them a Blem MK 4 Federal rail Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ducati650: I would have to agree. The 10" Federal Mk4 and a 10.3" will not work. I don't think a 10.5 barrel would work unless you used a spacer of some sort and a muzzle device that has a long entry section like some of the Surefire units. See my 14.0" barrel/13.5" rail details below. What I did might work with a 10.5" barrel and 10" rail. Food for thought: Here is a 13.5" Geissele Mk8 rail and a BRT 14.0" barrel ("BRT 14.0" OPTIMUM MPC Barrel , MID Length"). To get it to work and allow my suppressor to mount, required a small spacer. I ended up using 3 of the thick, precision Surefire base washers instead of just the one washer that comes in their shim kit. I then shimmed normally to clock the mount as desired. It works fine, has never worked lose and suppressor alignment with a Geissele test rod was perfect. I needed 3 washers to be able to fit the RC2 with the lock-ring in the open position. Without concerns of fitting the RC2, I think 2 thick washers (or maybe just one) would have been enough. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 1:42:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: The more I think about the more I think the 9.3 Rail makes more sense with the 10.3 barrel When I built my URG-I I used the same format Plus it is probably easier to get a blem Mk 4 them a Blem MK 4 Federal rail I agree on both points. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: It doesn't look possible to use the 10" Gen 2 Mk 4 Rail with a 10.3 barrel If you used a 10.5" barrel it looks like it would be super close Since I'm not going for a 100% clone, I think I will just go with the 9.3" Mk 4 Rail I just wish they made the Mlk4 Federal Rail available in the 9.3" length, I like the extended length of the 6 o'clock rail A 10" Fed Rail works with a 10.5" with some shims |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:32:23 PM EDT
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Well I was going to wait for the Geissele blem sale until I saw that you get $40 off the Gas Block if you order a rail
So I ended up getting the 9.3" MK4 Rail, Super Gas Block and the Government Charging handle for $304 shipped And I ordered an Expo 10.3” Barrel and the Troy M4 Folding Sights form Primary Arms for $220 shipped |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2022 10:08:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: I'm thinking about building one of these but with a 10.3 barrel I'm on a 10.3 kick and I really don't care about the 1.2" difference in the barrel length Does anyone know if that is possible or will the raill go past the end of the threads? Eventually I will run it suppressed so I was going to use something like a closed tine Surefire Warcomp If the 10" Gen 2 Federal rail will not work is the 9.3 M-Lok Mk 4 rail the same as the original Gen 1 Federal Rail? Looks like you've already made up your mind, but I think it depends on the suppressor if it'll fit or not. I plan to do a 10.5" barrel like these guys: @Thasiccness' set up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Official-FBI-HRT-Reg-SWAT-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread/118-733635/?page=22#i7837683 Here's someone else with a Q Cherry Bomb: https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/otlyx3/they_said_i_was_a_madman_buying_a_10_rail_and_a/ |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2022 3:49:41 PM EDT
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I'll went with the 10.3 barrel and 9.5 rail for now
If Geissele ever offers the 10.5 Mk 4 Federal rail in black as a blem I'll get one to see if I can make it work Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phucanese: Looks like you've already made up your mind, but I think it depends on the suppressor if it'll fit or not. I plan to do a 10.5" barrel like these guys: @Thasiccness' set up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Official-FBI-HRT-Reg-SWAT-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread/118-733635/?page=22#i7837683 Here's someone else with a Q Cherry Bomb: https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/otlyx3/they_said_i_was_a_madman_buying_a_10_rail_and_a/ |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/2/2022 6:24:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobenz: "Ma! I want a HRT Clone!" "You have one at home!" https://i.ibb.co/vDq69B0/20221110-103533.jpg Only thing correct is the barrel and barrel attachment lol And no auto sear pin. Don’t worry this is 83 pages of incorrect “clones” 
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USA
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Posted: 12/3/2022 12:55:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PerfectTurn]
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/3/2022 1:04:11 PM EDT
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The parts for my Upper should be here this week
I think I want to do the Vehicle Team version but I don't know what color of gray that they used Does anyone know if it was a light, medium or dark gray? |
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Posted: 12/3/2022 8:10:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: The parts for my Upper should be here this week I think I want to do the Vehicle Team version but I don't know what color of gray that they used Does anyone know if it was a light, medium or dark gray? Here are some pics, I believe these are @hrt4me ‘s pics… it’s hard to depict as the gray rails sometimes look tan in photos. I only saved these for better images of the Maxim HRT stock which is highly unobtanium.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileHere’s mine, obviously w/o a Maxim HRT. I’ve had a search in on Gunbroker for about a year and a half. Only got one result ever, which was last week of all things but the fuckface had listed a regular Maxim stock as an HRT. That’s a gray Hogue grip on mine.  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/3/2022 8:37:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Thanks for the pics, looks to be a med gray
However, I decided to stick with black for now |
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Posted: 12/3/2022 10:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: Thanks for the pics, looks to be a med gray However, I decided to stick with black for now Here’s another pic which illustrates it better:  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/3/2022 10:40:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Thanks for the pic
I saved it to my folder for future refernce |
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Posted: 12/7/2022 5:06:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2022 6:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fiyero: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222364/B51A80B9-256D-48C4-BBAC-2312B1E5FEAA_jpe-2627331.JPG Looks like both are running T2's on a DD mount. That's an improvement over all the shit tier Romeo's you seem to see. The Blackhawk POS holsters though 
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Posted: 12/8/2022 6:30:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fiyero: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222364/B51A80B9-256D-48C4-BBAC-2312B1E5FEAA_jpe-2627331.JPG |
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USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 12:13:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JSchell1309]
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Did Geissele discontinue the Federal Gray rail?
I have an unused, in box one I am not using and was going to post up in the EE but wasn't sure what the going rate was on these. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 12:44:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BobaDebt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JSchell1309: Did Geissele discontinue the Federal Gray rail? I have an unused, in box one I am not using and was going to post up in the EE but wasn't sure what the going rate was on these. I called and asked about this and they told me that they will still do them for special occasion sales (black friday, 4th of July, etc) Is yours a Gen 1 or 2? I used a 9.3" Mk 4 for mine but will get the Fed Rail if they list one during a blem sale Here is my CEC 10.3" Field Agent Upper  I bought the Rail, Gas Block and Gov Charging Handle for $303 shipped during Geissele's black friday sale  And I got the Troy sights and an Expo Barrel / Gas Block from Primary Arms for $240 shipped during their sale so when you include the rest of the parts I have less then $650 in the upper I didn't like the black gas block with the gold/tan barrel nut so I bead blasted both prior to installation  I really like this upper and I'm glad I decided to build one for the collection |
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USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: Is yours a Gen 1 or 2? Gen 2 grey with the longer lower pic rail, but before they started adding the Steel QD mounts on the side. Posted it up in the EE upper section just now. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/16/2022 8:05:08 AM EDT
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What kind of accuracy are you guys getting with 11.5 Heavy HRT barrels?
Not gov profile barrels |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 4:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: What kind of accuracy are you guys getting with 11.5 Heavy HRT barrels? Not gov profile barrels Honestly asking not trying to be rude. But why does it matter? It’s a 11.5 with red dot. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/18/2022 1:41:52 AM EDT
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Just wondering. I know the 14.5 socom barrels greatly improved accuracy.
Im wondering how much this impacts 11.5 |
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Posted: 12/20/2022 3:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leerx: What kind of accuracy are you guys getting with 11.5 Heavy HRT barrels? Not gov profile barrels 11.5" heavy profile barrel here. 100 meters from prone, magazine supported, 20 shot groups are about 4 inches with an Aimpoint, using bulk Sellier & Bellot 55 grn. I'm quite happy with that, considering the difficulties I have maintaining consistent aim with a red dot. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:19:47 AM EDT
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Torn between gray and olive drab.
 
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2022 1:10:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2022 1:41:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikencycle: https://i.imgur.com/9jYpMEt.jpg Just wondering, can you have an SBR in IL? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2022 2:11:17 PM EDT
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Nice
What are you goign to do with the extra MK4 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikencycle: https://i.imgur.com/9jYpMEt.jpg |
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Posted: 12/25/2022 2:22:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MackDaddy1962]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikencycle: https://i.imgur.com/9jYpMEt.jpg Looks good in gray no doubt. And for the record, @Winniethepooh looks like in IL SBR's are legal. But, no cans. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2022 9:30:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bikencycle]
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Originally Posted By BobaDebt: What are you goign to do with the extra MK4 Complete it using a 11.5” chrome lined socom barrel. Just need to shave the FSB. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:39:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikencycle: Torn between gray and olive drab. https://i.imgur.com/1mtHBZt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gWgQV0U.jpg Both 🔥🔥🔥 |
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