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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By Spooled:
https://i.ibb.co/hBMd1zh/AB71-FE20-43-CD-46-D4-90-DD-E0-DE29-B9-F2-EB.jpg View Quote Sick builds man. |
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Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch?
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch? View Quote |
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Post a pic. The gen 1s were black or Taupe (pretty close to coyote) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch? I also posted one on the previous page. It looks almost od green. I'm starting to think it's a knockoff. It just doesn't feel like it is. |
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261626/_IMG_000000_000000_jpg-1297536.JPG I also posted one on the previous page. It looks almost od green. I'm starting to think it's a knockoff. It just doesn't feel like it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch? I also posted one on the previous page. It looks almost od green. I'm starting to think it's a knockoff. It just doesn't feel like it is. |
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"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
For those of you using the RC/RC2 does it really cut down on gas to the face a noticeable amount compared to other cans you use? Better than the NT4 for those of you that have both? That comment about the gas on the Turbo got me wondering...and I wasn’t ever going to get an RC/RC2 but I’m getting the itch now.
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261626/_IMG_000000_000000_jpg-1297536.JPG I also posted one on the previous page. It looks almost od green. I'm starting to think it's a knockoff. It just doesn't feel like it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch? I also posted one on the previous page. It looks almost od green. I'm starting to think it's a knockoff. It just doesn't feel like it is. |
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I thought it literally was OD green on the last page. Yeah I've never seen a gen 1 in that color. What markings are on it? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
No markings, blank squares where pat pending normally is, no cage, nothing. Checkered latch, reddish orings, no holes in tubes. Tight RE fit, was lightly reamed. I've read these things can be normal for early gen 1 prototypes, but the color is throwing me. But I've never seen a knockoff look like this. Was spray bombed before I stripped it. Guy I bought it from had high feedback and had been around longer than me and he said gen 1 early/tight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I thought it literally was OD green on the last page. Yeah I've never seen a gen 1 in that color. What markings are on it? |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Can you cut into the plastic in an inconspicuous spot and see if the color goes into the substrate or if it's superficial? If it's superficial, somone dyed it (or the paint/paint remover permanently stained it). View Quote |
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Looks pretty homogenous everywhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Can you cut into the plastic in an inconspicuous spot and see if the color goes into the substrate or if it's superficial? If it's superficial, somone dyed it (or the paint/paint remover permanently stained it). I like that idea better than buying another gen 1 in Taupe instead of Greaupe. |
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Looks pretty homogenous everywhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Can you cut into the plastic in an inconspicuous spot and see if the color goes into the substrate or if it's superficial? If it's superficial, somone dyed it (or the paint/paint remover permanently stained it). |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You know this would be a good opportunity to rattle can the entire gun. I like that idea better than buying another gen 1 in Taupe instead of Greaupe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Can you cut into the plastic in an inconspicuous spot and see if the color goes into the substrate or if it's superficial? If it's superficial, somone dyed it (or the paint/paint remover permanently stained it). I like that idea better than buying another gen 1 in Taupe instead of Greaupe. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You know this would be a good opportunity to rattle can the entire gun. I like that idea better than buying another gen 1 in Taupe instead of Greaupe. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
If you want to move it, I may know of a place it would be happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204916/7E9F87FB-1D6D-41AC-A77B-9CBAB9F04ADD-515874.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Looks like you're running low. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
If you want to move it, I may know of a place it would be happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204916/7E9F87FB-1D6D-41AC-A77B-9CBAB9F04ADD-515874.JPG |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By smitty_007:
For those of you using the RC/RC2 does it really cut down on gas to the face a noticeable amount compared to other cans you use? Better than the NT4 for those of you that have both? That comment about the gas on the Turbo got me wondering...and I wasn’t ever going to get an RC/RC2 but I’m getting the itch now. View Quote |
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Practice, the master of all things. - Augustus
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I can't tell much difference between my rc1 and NT4 to be completely honest.
love both cans |
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Originally Posted By krdt: Yes, the RC is pretty low backpressure, and it's less than an NT4. That said, with a properly ported .070" barrel and Gas Buster, it's not that big of a difference between the RC and NT4. Unless I make a conscious effort to note the difference, I can shoot the RC and NT4 interchangeably without really noticing a change. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By blindrocket:
Yeah were those puppies at? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007:
Okay, logical follow up question is are your knees sore or did you where knee pads? How in the crap did you find a 65% off coupon?! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts:
Does anyone have or know about the early gen 1 crane sopmod stocks? I have one (supposedly) and the color is tripping me out. Was the coyote color or whatever they called it kinda wonky on the prototype batch? View Quote The LMT first gen, well we know they are textured, and have markings, however prototypes may be unmarked and have color variances. Yours looks very dark taupy, is the latch serrated? |
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Those where like 30 View Quote I'll probably just get an RC2 since I've already ruined being clone worthy by going over to Geissele rails on my Block II's. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
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Originally Posted By RMiller: Actual Crane sopmod stocks are black and do not have any markings, the latch is same as the fiberlite Colts and they are smooth no texture at all. The LMT first gen, well we know they are textured, and have markings, however prototypes may be unmarked and have color variances. Yours looks very dark taupy, is the latch serrated? View Quote |
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Been looking to suppress my DD MK18 (10.3" and 0.070 gas block) but everywhere I go I see SF SOCOM RC2 sucks and loud. For those who thinks this is true, what cans should I look at? I have the RC2 in my cart ready to go but everybody's raving about the Turbo K on this forum. Somebody help me!
PS This is for my home defense rifle/pistol or whatever they want to designate it as. |
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The RC2 is an excellent can. They sound great, but no 5.56 can is going to be "hearing safe" especially on a 10in SBR.
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Originally Posted By Thanos7856:
The RC2 is an excellent can. They sound great, but no 5.56 can is going to be "hearing safe" especially on a 10in SBR. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DanWessonValor:
I don't expect ANY cans to prevent some hearing damage when shooting a 556 with a SBR. That being said, I'd like to be in the safe(?) zone with my COMTAC III on. View Quote |
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So my Scar 17 killed my ATPIAL C this weekend.... will I be kicked off the island if I replaced it with a MAWL C1+?
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Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-:
So my Scar 17 killed my ATPIAL C this weekend.... will I be kicked off the island if I replaced it with a MAWL C1+? View Quote DOM on the Peq? Scar killed both illuminator and Ir? Crazy man. I'm hoping I can at least get a year plus of use out of mine. |
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Originally Posted By 2Keylows: You should be alright, I'm pretty sure I've seen Mawls floating on some issued rifles in this thread. I'll try to dig them up. DOM on the Peq? Scar killed both illuminator and Ir? Crazy man. I'm hoping I can at least get a year plus of use out of mine. View Quote Killed everything deader than a door nail. I thought I had a battery issue, but batteries were good from multiple lots. I contacted L3 this morning to see about sending it in for repair. |
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Thank you Thanos for the replies and for killing off half of the population.
Now, based on looking at pictures in this thread, I see mostly SF RC2s here. Not sure what the other can is with the hole punch all over it. But damn it, it's about $1200 with the damn tax stamp!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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