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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:52:03 AM EDT
[#1]
So the ACR will come out sometime in 2012?
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:59:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Here they go again.. What happened to the last how ever many millions they spent doing this? There are several canidates out there now. It as always will be good entertainment.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:00:27 AM EDT
[#3]
I wonder if they will entertain any piston systems be they new rifle altogether such as Ruger 556 or Masada??
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:05:17 AM EDT
[#4]
Vulcan/Hesse/What ever they call themselves this week, can now, finally actually be THE machine gun of the special forces.....
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:30:06 AM EDT
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I wonder if they will entertain any piston systems be they new rifle altogether such as Ruger 556 or Masada?? My guess is the front runners will be the M4, M4 with a piston conversion (possibly), SCAR, and the Masada/ACR (possibly). IF (big if imo) there's a change I'm figuring the SCAR will get it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:36:54 AM EDT
[#6]
All in...
This is going to be roller coaster! |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:41:00 AM EDT
[#7]
They aren't replacing the M4. They didn't replace the M9 like they wanted to.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:44:55 AM EDT
[#8]
Welcome to ACR Phase I, circa 1986.
The Stoner Platform is here to stay, until caseless ammo or direct energy weapons. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:54:40 AM EDT
[#9]
doesnt really matter who wins. The legal battles will be drawn out for years and in the end we will still have the M4
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:56:52 AM EDT
[#10]
It will be interesting to see if anything really comes out of this. I'm guessing that if they do anything it will be an upgraded piston m4 type system or the scar.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:03:01 AM EDT
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Interesting. Having now researched the SCAR a little more and looking at the breakdown it is not a huge change by any means. It will be interesting to see if caliber change comes back into play also. For some reason i keep having this picture of a monkey and a football in my head as i think more about this subject. : )
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:07:05 AM EDT
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We should write the Army brass and give them a 2 million dollar option. We will take 5 guns of each pick and a handfull of us Arfcomers.. Half prior or current military and the rest civy commandoes.. Put the guns through there paces ( READ FREE AMMO) and then give them a break down of our findings. The monkey and football would be optional for us.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:13:34 AM EDT
[#13]
And the winner is . . . .
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:14:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Is there another platform on the market that is more accurate and reliable as the M4?
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:15:27 AM EDT
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And the winner is . . . . http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience? |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:17:35 AM EDT
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Didn't we just finish doing this bullshit? Fuck.
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Welcome to ACR Phase I, circa 1986. The Stoner Platform is here to stay, until caseless ammo or direct energy weapons. +1 |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:19:28 AM EDT
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I can really see the Democrats writing the giant check necessary to replace m16s/4s. I suppose if the winner has a plant in the district of some libtard congress critter with pull.
Whatever it is I bet the contract has a restriction on sales to civilians of a semi auto version. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:19:53 AM EDT
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And the winner is . . . . http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience? I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:27:21 AM EDT
[#19]
Where are the NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN gifs?
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:44:40 AM EDT
[#20]
This should be nterestng.
An lwrc pistn upper is the best bet. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:45:56 AM EDT
[#21]
HK 416??? I am betting weight will be one of the largest considerations.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:00:08 AM EDT
[#22]
If it actuallly happens the SCAR will win...
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:03:13 AM EDT
[#23]
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If it actuallly happens the SCAR will win... The SCAR will get the boot
Actually i hope to be getting one when prices come down to reasonable. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:08:12 AM EDT
[#24]
I thought the whole point was that the Army wants a gun with improved reliability (
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:08:30 AM EDT
[#25]
I predict the Mini-4*REPR-14 will steal the show.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:10:45 AM EDT
[#26]
I think the MSAR E4.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:16:05 AM EDT
[#27]
They need to look at the AR10 once again.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:19:30 AM EDT
[#28]
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I predict the Mini-4*REPR-14 will steal the show. What the hell is that? |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:59:08 AM EDT
[#29]
Retrofit M4's to 6.8 with OPS-416 kit.
Biggest bang for the buck.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:59:46 AM EDT
[#30]
Look, if the military isn't looking for things that aren't potentially better, I'd say the supply and ordnance department isn't doing their job.
Shopping does not a purchase make. New offerings are compared to what's in inventory now. Until announced, it's not replaced. Simple as that. I realize some here behold the AR with religious zeal, so the above is sacrilege to you. Flame suit on. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:01:30 AM EDT
[#31]
Here we go again...
You would think that if SOF uses the SCAR then perhaps it would be good enough for the rest of the Army and DOD, afterall the testing and R&D has been done. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:03:26 AM EDT
[#32]
I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day...
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:05:54 AM EDT
[#33]
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I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day... Yep, and maybe while they're at it they can drop the whole "weapons need to be spotless" bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:23:49 AM EDT
[#34]
POF or go home.
Love that chromed upper receiver..just wipe carbon off. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:56:56 AM EDT
[#35]
Why don't we just get it over with and go to the AK? I mean thats what everybody else is doing right? LOL
But seriously, this won't go well...I know for a fact there are still units out there using M16A2's...how in the hell will the army expect to make a complete platform change using those ancient artifacts? |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:58:45 AM EDT
[#36]
go to Beretta Storm Carbine so you can use interchangeable pistol mags!
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:14:31 AM EDT
[#37]
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I thought the whole point was that the Army wants a gun with improved reliability ( ), lighter weight, and more ballistic power. Any weapon that runs the 5.56 would automatically fail that test...right?No it would not, and this is why. We still have shit tons of 5.56 ammo. Thats why easy caliber conversion will be a neccesity on the new rifle. It will be between the SCAR and the ACR. ACR for the win, due to full ambi controls and no government funding went into R&D. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:15:33 AM EDT
[#38]
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Why don't we just get it over with and go to the AK? I mean thats what everybody else is doing right? LOL
But seriously, this won't go well...I know for a fact there are still units out there using M16A2's...how in the hell will the army expect to make a complete platform change using those ancient artifacts? Knives and forks are gettin' a little long in the tooth too ... but the folks are somehow finding ways to use them with efficiency. 
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:17:08 AM EDT
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I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day... Yep, and maybe while they're at it they can drop the whole "weapons need to be spotless" bullshit. WORD! Good chance, they got rid of the shiny boots thing. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:19:44 AM EDT
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And the winner is . . . . http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience? I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this. I don't beleive the XCR is capable of sub moa accuracy for a second. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:21:52 AM EDT
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And the winner is . . . . http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/Candidus/Firearms/XCR-L/XCR_Fiixed.jpg I hear the accuracy just isnt there on the XCR .what has been your experience? I don't have glass on mine yet. The XCR is capable of sub moa. I have seen others post targets demonstrating this. I don't beleive the XCR is capable of sub moa accuracy for a second. But do you really need sub moa on a battle rifle? |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:27:07 AM EDT
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go to Beretta Storm Carbine so you can use interchangeable pistol mags! 
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:27:27 AM EDT
[#43]
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Look, if the military isn't looking for things that aren't potentially better, I'd say the supply and ordnance department isn't doing their job. Shopping does not a purchase make. New offerings are compared to what's in inventory now. Until announced, it's not replaced. Simple as that. I realize some here behold the AR with religious zeal, so the above is sacrilege to you. Flame suit on. But every year we piss away millions just to find out there is no appreciable benefit to any of the weapons systems on the market. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:28:47 AM EDT
[#44]
Nope, you don't need sub moa accuracy on a battle rifle.
I just don't beleive all of these non-match grade barreled, piston guns are capable of sub moa like alot of people say. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:31:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Given the corruption in the current regime....I can't imagine anything sensible coming out of this same ole same ole procurement idiom.
Whatever it is ..it will probably be made in China
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:35:40 AM EDT
[#46]
I will buy a XCR when they do go to the 1/7 tubes on them.
However that being said, from a practical stand point I am not sure we (military members) get with them beyond our current M4s and A4s? |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:38:37 AM EDT
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Comrade Obama wants to nueter the military so I'm sure they will get something with 10 round mags and without a pistol grip(it's so scary). Look for lots of bad decisions to be made in the near future.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:39:26 AM EDT
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I'd like to see the military convert 5.56 uppers to 6.8SPC and call it a day... Sounds like a good plan to me too. However, if I remember correctly, wasn't the .276 Pedersen in the Garand axed because MacArthur said we had too much .30-06 already on hand? I see the same thing happening in the case of the 5.56 x 45. If they switch to a better cartridge, they should sell the surplus 5.56 to us civilians, that stuff would be sold in a couple of months. |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:25:46 AM EDT
[#49]
16" DI Middy.....for the win !
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:27:14 AM EDT
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Another waste of money. Not because it's an all bad idea, but because the government will wait (until every last dollar is pushed into it before they have to make a commitment) to bail on the project.
I hope Remington doesn't buy into this and delay their rifle, yet again. With Remington in place of Bushmaster, I'd say they gain a lot of political points over being Bushmaster though. |
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