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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Just sharing my experiences with Norrells tan and teflon coated receivers.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:05:22 PM EDT

All of the following is my experience and may differ from others. I'm just sharing my observations and experiences. I haven't seen any other durability reports about this product or combo, so I figured I'd share mine.

Here's my Mega that I coated with Norrell's tan. From day one, the coating was fragile.

NOTE: It only showed this fragility on the lower receiver. The buttstock (plastic), upper receiver (anodized aluminum - no teflon coating), barrel (parkerized 4150) and rail covers (plastic) I covered showed a ton more durability than the lower receiver.

There's about a dozen or so range trips on this lower and some basement drill practice, but nothing outrageous.

This was my third attempt to apply a good coating to this lower. The first two I took the standard precautions for coating and the coating was fragile from the start. The third time, I roughed up the surface with ScotchBrite, degreased, baked, degreased, baked, degreased and baked a third time, then coated per normal procedure. I used an airbrush for applications. While this showed a bit more durability than the first two attempts, I guess I wasn't too happy with the result.

My gut feeling is that it has something to do with the teflon coating and maybe with the chemistry in the Norrell's tan. I hear better results from Norrell's OD and teflon receivers.

This one's getting a coating of Norrell's OD when I get the garage cleaned up.

Just sharing. FWIW.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:16:03 PM EDT

[#1]

I was always concerned about coating the Teflon stuff. Since the Teflon is part of teh finish, I doubt it will ever get proper adhesion without removing the entire teflon coating.

I wonder if you can do a "water bead" test like they do in anodizing to see if the surface is prepared properly.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:25:51 PM EDT

[#2]

Its not the teflon coating, its the coloring in the tan that have difficulty with the heat cure process. I spoke with Mr. Norrell about it, and it is a known issue. Maybe I should rephrase, and say that it SHOULDN"T have much to do with it, but I guess the combination of the teflon receiver along with the tan issues make for an unsat coating.

OD Green doesn't have this problem, nor does any other of the Norrells colors I've tried, but sadly, the tan lacks in durability on the teflon surfaces.

ETA- I'll have to make note of this in the How-To thread as this is something which both of us have experienced, and is confirmed by the company.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:27:25 PM EDT

[#3]

Well duh!!!

EVERYONE knows MEGA receivers are WAAAAY too good to be painted...especially tan.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:29:25 PM EDT

[#4]

I would also like to point out that I heard a rumor that Mongo is such a brute with his carbines, that the Norrells jumped off his receiver and ran away in fear. Here I was thinking that only Chuck Norris had such powers....

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:42:45 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Well duh!!! EVERYONE knows MEGA receivers are WAAAAY too good to be painted...especially tan.

In my most humble opinion, anything teflon coated is off my want list, mostly due to this issue, but other factors play into that also. Everyone has their line in the sand, mine is good old Class III hardcoat anodizing. YMMV.

Thanks for the backup, Stick. Knowing your expertise on this subject, it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one pulling my hair out over this issue (what little I have left).

Oh, and BTW, I tried to photoshop a Mongo face on a Chuck body, but my photoshop-fu is weak, very weak.

Additionally, I have a Stag lower that is just begging to be tan.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:46:58 PM EDT

[#6]

Heck, I feel bad for steering you wrong.

However, I am glad to see that you figured out what it was, and that we can clear it up for others. I'm running the tan on handguards, a stock, and pistol grip without any problems, but like you said, the teflon must be just enough to stop some of the adhesion.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:48:48 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Heck, I feel bad for steering you wrong.

Don't feel bad. Even if you told me flat out that it wouldn't work, I would have done it anyway. I'm hard headed like that.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:50:38 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Well duh!!! EVERYONE knows MEGA receivers are WAAAAY too good to be painted...especially tan.

In my most humble opinion, anything teflon coated is off my want list, mostly due to this issue, but other factors play into that also. Everyone has their line in the sand, mine is good old Class III hardcoat anodizing. YMMV.

Thanks for the backup, Stick. Knowing your expertise on this subject, it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one pulling my hair out over this issue (what little I have left).

Oh, and BTW, I tried to photoshop a Mongo face on a Chuck body, but my photoshop-fu is weak, very weak.

Additionally, I have a Stag lower that is just begging to be tan.

Got any more MEGA receivers w/o tan crap all over em I can take off your hands? Preferrably ones that haven't been scotchbrited.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:52:35 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Well duh!!! EVERYONE knows MEGA receivers are WAAAAY too good to be painted...especially tan.

In my most humble opinion, anything teflon coated is off my want list, mostly due to this issue, but other factors play into that also. Everyone has their line in the sand, mine is good old Class III hardcoat anodizing. YMMV.

Thanks for the backup, Stick. Knowing your expertise on this subject, it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one pulling my hair out over this issue (what little I have left).

Oh, and BTW, I tried to photoshop a Mongo face on a Chuck body, but my photoshop-fu is weak, very weak.

Additionally, I have a Stag lower that is just begging to be tan.

Got any more MEGA receivers w/o tan crap all over em I can take off your hands? Preferrably ones that haven't been scotchbrited.

If I did, I'd sell them. But, no, I don't.

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:54:34 PM EDT

[#10]

How much for that one gently blasted and Norrel'd black?

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:54:43 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
I would also like to point out that I heard a rumor that Mongo is such a brute with his carbines, that the Norrells jumped off his receiver and ran away in fear. Here I was thinking that only Chuck Norris had such powers....

Well it is a tool, isn't it???

I never thought Mongo was a Safe Queen kinda guy....

Posted: 2/9/2006 12:57:33 PM EDT

[#12]

Mongo/Stickman,

You said the other parts were holding up pretty good, right???

Then it has to be more of a Teflon issue, right???

Maybe Tan is less durable than other colors, but it is bad on teflon and OK on others.......is that a fair statement????

Posted: 2/9/2006 1:18:20 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
How much for that one gently blasted and Norrel'd black?

The cost of a new Mega + my time and materials to refinish it.

Honestly, I don't like, but it will look nice on an OD build, so I'll keep it and bear through my hardship.

Posted: 2/9/2006 1:21:33 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
I would also like to point out that I heard a rumor that Mongo is such a brute with his carbines, that the Norrells jumped off his receiver and ran away in fear. Here I was thinking that only Chuck Norris had such powers....

Hahahaha!

Posted: 2/9/2006 1:37:34 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Mongo/Stickman,

You said the other parts were holding up pretty good, right???

Then it has to be more of a Teflon issue, right???

Maybe Tan is less durable than other colors, but it is bad on teflon and OK on others.......is that a fair statement????

Yes, the tan has held up well on every surface that is not teflon coated. The rest of the Norrells color line has held up well on all surfaces, including teflon coated receivers.

Posted: 2/9/2006 2:09:50 PM EDT

[#16]

I bet that it would have stuck if it had been abrasive blasted as per Norrell's recommendations.

Posted: 2/9/2006 2:11:59 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I bet that it would have stuck if it had been abrasive blasted as per Norrell's recommendations.

Probably, but that would also take off the teflon coating of the receiver. I'm not sure if that's a very good idea in this case, but I don't know for sure.

Posted: 2/9/2006 2:19:53 PM EDT

[#18]

I disagree, it wouldn't be worth trying to peel the teflon off with 40-50 psi using 90grit and still keeping the anodizing intact. Norrells isn't harder than the anodizing, so removal is not a good thing. I think it is probably better to not use the tan on a Mega, than it is to play around with blasting.

If someone can sandblast, and is good enough to remove the teflon without disturbing the anodizing, I would be very interested in hearing their technique. I make no claims of being a blaster master.

Taken from the website.....molyresin.com/molyresin_about.asp

Moly Resin™ will adhere to all metals including the following: aluminum, carbon steel, stainless steel, sandblasted and glass beaded metal, cast iron and aluminum, titanium, copper, silver solder, blued or parkerized finish, anodized, nickel and chrome plate, and many plastics, etc. Note: nickel and chrome plated surfaces should be abrasive blasted to allow the best adhesion of the Resin. For all metals, best overall results are achieved on freshly sandblasted surfaces.

Posted: 2/9/2006 2:55:00 PM EDT

[#19]

I would just sand blast off the original finish if tan is what you want.

Posted: 2/9/2006 2:58:18 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
I would just sand blast off the original finish if tan is what you want.

Easier to coat an anodized receiver tan than go through that. Additionally, OD sticks to teflon, so I'm potentially in a win-win.

I do have an anodized receiver and a quart of Norrell's OD standing by right now.

Posted: 2/9/2006 3:14:17 PM EDT

[#21]

How about this.

Coat in Moly Black, then Top with Tan.

If it is the Tan/Teflon that is the problem use another color to "prime"

Posted: 2/9/2006 3:24:40 PM EDT

[#22]

Actually, I was going to try automotive primer. It goes on pretty thin and sticks to just about anything. Your idea has just as much merit as that, but I'm ODing this Mega and tanning the Stag I have in my safe.

Quoted:
How about this.

Coat in Moly Black, then Top with Tan.

If it is the Tan/Teflon that is the problem use another color to "prime"

Posted: 2/9/2006 3:47:12 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
How about this.

Coat in Moly Black, then Top with Tan.

If it is the Tan/Teflon that is the problem use another color to "prime"

Your idea has merit, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted: 2/9/2006 4:19:33 PM EDT

[#24]

Are Megas factory tefloned???

TS

Posted: 2/9/2006 4:28:23 PM EDT

[#25]

We learn and live, or is it we live and learn, well you know what i mean........

Posted: 2/9/2006 5:29:46 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Are Megas factory tefloned???

TS

Yes sir, all of them that I've ever seen or heard of.

Posted: 2/9/2006 5:42:27 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Here I was thinking that only Chuck Norris had such powers....

I heard Chuck Norris' tears cured cancer and fixed Norrell's tan...too bad he has never cried.

Posted: 2/9/2006 6:20:18 PM EDT

[#28]

Goddamn I am sick of hearing about Chuck Norris on this board. What the fuck happened to talking about weapons?

This shit is out of hand. I guess people have so much time on their hands that they reply to every thread with a Chuck reference. I mean.... what fucking grade are we in here?

Rant mode off

Posted: 2/9/2006 6:24:26 PM EDT

[#29]

Its comedy, and people joking around, nothing more. Thankfully most of it stays in GD, but there are worse things that happen here on a regular basis. I consider people playing parrot and posting without any actual knowledge to be much worse than someone joking around.

Go grab a beer, or better yet, go grab me a beer. Its not that bad, but I admit I feel the same way at times.

Anyway, back to the Norrells Tan, I updated the thread with the Tan vs Teflon info.

Posted: 2/9/2006 6:27:17 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Are Megas factory tefloned???

TS

Yes sir, all of them that I've ever seen or heard of.

Oddly, their lesser line of Stinger receivers were anodized. I had one and liked it alot.

Posted: 2/10/2006 1:30:24 AM EDT

[#31]

I've had success getting the Teflon off, or neutralized, by spraying the piece with oven cleaner, letting it sit for awhile, and then scrubbing the piece with one of those cleaning pads you use on teflon pots and pans.

Of course, the finish I was applying after the cleaning wasn't Norrell's, but the piece I was finishing off was a combo of bare metal, and anodized, and the finish went on w/no discernaable difference between the bare metal and the formerly tefloned anodised portion.

Posted: 2/11/2006 2:15:56 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Goddamn I am sick of hearing about Chuck Norris on this board. What the fuck happened to talking about weapons?

This shit is out of hand. I guess people have so much time on their hands that they reply to every thread with a Chuck reference. I mean.... what fucking grade are we in here?

Rant mode off

Dude. Relax. It's just the Internet.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Just sharing my experiences with Norrells tan and teflon coated receivers.

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