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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:37:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Ever seen the expected battery life for an Aimpoint? Besides, it isn't like spare batteries are expensive, or take up much space.
Btw:
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Posted: 9/26/2005 9:39:26 PM EDT
[#2]
that's why we co-witness the iron sights
 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:04:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Just use irons. I cant stand the add on stuff.. I like it simple...Dont buy batteries.. Buy ammo!!
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:07:47 PM EDT
[#4]
co-witness mang!
My favorite BUIS have all the features of irons, but don't have the extra weight of a carry hangle. LMT BUIS, RRA Dominator, etc. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:12:09 PM EDT
[#5]
I have 2 years worth of spare batteries for my Aimpoint on my rifle. (dual-battery cap + spare in Larue cantilever mount)
I have a bunch of spares for my Pentagon light around the house, too...don't keep them on the gun though. YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 10:51:19 PM EDT
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Aimpoint M3... 50,000 hours on one battery, and you can easily carry three of them.
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Posted: 9/26/2005 11:08:28 PM EDT
[#7]
From my point of view, reality is that I am more likely to use my AR to defend my home from a lone/small group of intruders rather than a platoon of Cuban paratroopers, so the EOTech sits there looking fancy and has two sets of back up batterys in the various stock/grip storage.
If I were shooting Cubans, then when the batteries died, I'd just flip up the rear sight and keep shooting. Or get an Aimpoint. 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 11:12:08 PM EDT
[#8]
I think you should avoid night vision because it uses batteries. Much better to use natural night vision.
For a SHTF scenario you need: A. Battery stash to go with your ammo stash. What good is your gun when the ammo runs out? Same with battteries and electronics. Should you use a sling shot becasue you have to stockpile bullets for guns and there are plenty of rocks laying around??? B. Get rechargables and a solar charger. They make rechargable AA and 123 cells. That covers most anything but the coin or 1/3N batts and you can fit enough to last you years in a plastic film container. See A. C. Have backups to your electronics. Got a GPS? Have a compass. Have an Aimpoint? Have BUIS. You get the idea. Why would you give up an advantage because if something happened you could lose the advantage? Should you have a 4wheeler with only a manual starter because an electric starter might fail so you should just act like it failed already and accept the inferior starter instead of having both? That makes no sense. Hope you dont have any batteries in your car because those can go dead. I suggest ALWAYS push starting your vehicle! 
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Posted: 9/26/2005 11:23:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2005 11:27:43 PM EDT
[#10]
Seriously, if times get bad there are numerous battery operated gadgets that will get used more than anything on your rifle, like a flashlight & am/fm radio. Not taking those either because they need batteries? Based on what one person can carry you'll probably run out of food and water long before you run out of ammo and batteries.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 5:01:33 AM EDT
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gmtmaster, Nice set up. That is exactly what I was thinking about. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 5:24:18 AM EDT
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I'm still trying to find where to get a solar charger for the Pila batteries...
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Posted: 9/27/2005 5:29:00 AM EDT
[#13]
Oh, and one more thing, lets say you take a fall, and your pretty M4 carbine with it's flat top upper, supporting that sweet Eotech/Aimpoint takes the brunt of the fall, and suddenly becomes inoperable. Now lets also say that this happened out in the middle of nowhere, and all you have is your basic combat load, with a shitload of extra batteries for that banged up out of commission Eotech. Not good. This is why I like to keep it simple.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:08:45 AM EDT
[#14]
That's why we have BUIS's.
I any case, do you know something we don't? Is there some sort of disaster coming where all the AA's in North America will suddenly vanish? Do you have any idea how many freakin' batteries there are in this country? Shit, I could walk into an Ollie's discount store and find enough AA's to power an EOtech for almost a century. Don't forget, of course, that you can get rechargable AA's and a solar charger. A dozen sets of rechargables would last you a long, long time. These optics allow you to put more lead more accurately into your target in less time. That's why people use them. Your nice and "simple" irons also become useless when the daylight starts going, or if you go inside a dim building. You can't aim with sights you can't see. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:15:26 AM EDT
[#15]
FWIW, all my lithium batteries for my Aimpoints and Surefire products have a 10 year shelf life and I always have several years worth of DL123s and decades worth of 1/3Ns.
No problem for those with a brain to make wise choices. Mike |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:15:49 AM EDT
[#16]
Just pick up a back-up AR with just iron sights, for you paranoid zombie/vampire killers.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:40:39 AM EDT
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Keep it as simple as you want, but running an optic (Aimpoint/ Eotech) gets hits on target faster. You can sit back without them and none of us are going to care, but it doesn't change that optics are the wave of the future for a reason. You entire arguement about the "pretty M4 Carbine" holds no water unless you find one without a BUIS. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:43:07 AM EDT
[#18]
They say a picture is worth a thousand words....
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:50:59 AM EDT
[#19]
Nice but how hard is it to turn off the eotech? |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 7:55:23 AM EDT
[#20]
Pretty M4 carbine, so every US military personnel runnign those pretty M4 carbine using Aimpoints, EOTech, Surefire lights, PEQ2s are bunch of pantseies?? Their rifle can't take a beat under combat conditions?? you are saying electronics can't take some abuse and still work. you got to come out of your house more. I have seen Aimpojnts and EOtech taking tremendous beatings and keeps ticking, I have seen EOTech with part of the optic glass knocked out and the sight will still function, I have seen EOTech got smack aginst a concrete wall because the guy reppling down lost control and smack the rifle hard against the side of the building. If those electronic can't proven itself to be reliable and durable, do you think our military or those private contractor would put them on their rifles?? yea, if SHTF..... There will be no SHTF like postman or red dawn, it is impossible, your only SHTF type of things are like the current NO situation where you will be without support for few weeks to a month. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:05:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Boltcatch: I do not disagree that optics are a better choice at times, but in the event that your optics become damaged or unusable for what ever reason, does not help you when you need them most. I was just stating that if one was carrying an AR with iron sights, and happened to take one hell of a tumble with his rifle, the odds are that the AR with the iron sights would be back in action almost immediately, unlike the AR with a set of optics. Just my .02 thats all.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:23:16 AM EDT
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You obviously have no experience with the durability and downright toughness of the Aimpoint ML2 and M2s or the EOTech for that matter. Why in the heck do you think ya see so many of them on our troopers weapons? It's because they are practically indestructible. Mike |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:23:27 AM EDT
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If the SHTF so bad I can't scrounge up batteries and my BUIS won't work anymore, by then my AR will be broken to the point it's a boat anchor. That's where I'm back to the Garands, Springfields, and Enfields. Once my grandkids run out of handloads for those, then they can pull out my flintlocks, swords, and axes and party like it's the French and Indian War.
I did a year in Iraq already. The techno-goodies are pretty durable, and unless you're doing a LOT of MOUT and eating up a pair of SureFire batteries a night, you can have a decent stash. My theory is short of either an all-out nuclear war, plague, or a comet fragment hitting the earth like the novel "Lucifer's Hammer", you'd have enough time during the decline to continue stockpiling. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:22:07 AM EDT
[#24]
The world will run out of 556 before an Aimpoint goes tango alpha
Anyway when the real SHTF you will have far more worries than batteries... Or stock up on them... It all ends up like the guy who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't chase fast women,runs five miles a day, swims two, bikes thirty and then gets hit by a bus.. imo |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:33:28 AM EDT
[#25]
Neo-luddites are the world's funniest freaks..
You do realize that they have AAs even in the absolute shittiest parts of the world, right? They're used for a LOT more than just gunsights. I'd bail loooong before it got that bad. Actually, as far as things go, I'd expect a lot of things to break before my EOTech. The stock and buffer tube, pistol grip, handguards, etc, etc. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:36:51 AM EDT
[#26]
How many times do we have to repeat ourselves?  As several others mentioned a properly setup AR that uses any type of optics as a primary sight will also have a BUIS! If you have BUIS then you are still good to go in the scenario you mentioned! If I loose my EOTech I will deploy my BUIS and I'll be on the same level as you but until then I'll take all the advantages my EOTech provides. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 11:06:07 AM EDT
[#27]
It isn't, but even if it were, I've never been in a hurry to turn off an Eotech..... |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 11:57:59 AM EDT
[#28]
And if you're going to say, "The A2 carry handle won't bend until the rifle is so damaged it would be inoperable anyway" then you now understand what everyone is trying to explain to you about the durability of the aimpoint/eotech. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 2:13:15 PM EDT
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Reminds me of when I moved into a new neighborhood.... I was sitting on the deck with my new neighbor (a doctor) when a engine started up next door (his house). I asked what that was, he said, "it's my generator, starts up on it's own to charge the batteries, when the SHTF I'll be the only one with power and food."....
I told him I didn't need a generator. When he asked why, I stepped into my house to bring out my AR and told him "I'll let you and your family live in the basement".... |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 2:21:17 PM EDT
[#30]
I have learned first hand the importance of an optic in a SHTF scenario. Now being in Iraq twice, it was hard to engage badguys at night with my issued M16A2 without an external light. The night site (Big Hole Arpeture) does nothing for you in complete darkness.
In Iraq the second time with now my M16A4 I bought an aimpoint and an LMT backup site and it was worth the money. On convoys with blackout lights on and NVGs, the badguys could not see us but we could see them. Again it's your rifle. Put on what you like or shoot it bare. As long as your proficient good to go. Max |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 2:37:50 PM EDT
[#31]
I used to be a KISS type of guy until a handled an AR with a flashlight. Now my Ar has a flashlight. IMO that is a very important SHTF accessory.
CR123a batteries last years. I know from personal experience that they'll work after sitting on a shelf for six years. Now it may not be as fully charged (just a guess on my part), but that's good enough for me. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 2:50:10 PM EDT
[#32]
I don't get it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 2:52:30 PM EDT
[#33]
1) I have an EOTech & weapon light for use in the home primarily and any other immediate scenario where an optic and light would be a big advantage. I'm not going to give them up because batteries might be hard to come by some time in the future.
2) Hello... BUIS. Can I repeat that?? HELLOOOOO!!! BUIS! |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 3:26:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Ah, a looter in training. Have fun when you get popped trying to take someone's food supply. 
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:25:26 PM EDT
[#35]
This is why my Eotechs are AA versions.
AA's can be found in Walkmans, Discmans, smoke alarms, TV remote controls, Mini Maglights, radios, digital cameras, shall I go on? But I have some spares with my rifles, too. And if the Eotech malfunctions, I will just have to use the BUIS. I don't see a problem here. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:27:02 PM EDT
[#36]
BUISs
got extra batteries anyways w/ my mags and ammo |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 4:31:42 PM EDT
[#37]
It's very simple:
My Aimpoint M2 sight have battery life of 10,000 hours with daylight setting. that's more then 1 year. With the 2 spare I keep in my MIAD grip, it will last 3.5 years if I just keep them on all the time. Those with M3 last even longer. With that much time in hand, I will worry about getting food and ammo supply a lot more then my Aimpoint crap out on me. Worse comes worst, with the QD mount and my ARMS #38 BUIS, I will go back to the same configuration as any KISS guys. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:05:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Not to hijack this thread, but all this talk about batteries has reminded me I need to purchase a couple extra batteries for my comp ML2.
Anyone know of a good source to buy from? Oh yeah, and my aimpoint kicks ass, and if it gets broke, thats why I have a ARMS #40 as a BUIS  Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:13:51 PM EDT
[#39]
A-freaking-men. ETA: I have enough Aimpoint and Surefire batteries to last a lifetime. In a few years I'll probably have to start to giving them away before they expire. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 6:14:03 PM EDT
[#40]
Ding ding! We have a winner! Thats exactly what I said. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:45:05 PM EDT
[#41]
What type of BUIS is that Stickman? Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 8:48:42 PM EDT
[#42]
While we are at it here...what are the best BUIS out there?
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:15:46 PM EDT
[#43]
I simply had no idea that the Eotech's were that rugged. All this time I was afraid to spend my hard earned green backs on one, because I thought they were as unreliable as your everyday optics, when used in abusive conditions. Maybe it's time to pickup a flattop upper, and start looking for a killer deal on an Eotech.
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:22:54 PM EDT
[#44]
Eotech is the new must have gadget... Aimpoints have been around for a while, but you can hardly watch the news and not see a Eotech on some fancy weapon somewhere. The durability is legendary, just yesterday I saw a thread where some guy just tossed his AR+Eotech into a rocky, shallow puddle of water... worked fine.
I'd never be cruel to my rifle though, haha |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:25:11 PM EDT
[#45]
Try Radio Shack. My local store have tons of them. If they don't have in stock, you can actually ask them to order it for you. For $5.99 a piece, it's not that bad consider how long it lasted in your Aimpoint. |
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Posted: 9/27/2005 9:34:29 PM EDT
[#46]
If it quits working; I'll flip a lever and remove it. No big deal. While they are working my gadgets are staying on my AR, they help me do my job. In some our lines of work SHTF every day.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 5:28:47 AM EDT
[#47]
They do NOT refer to EOTechs and Aimpoints as "COMBAT-PROVEN OPTICS" without reason. Whichever your choice, a flat-top mounted with one of these choices is IMO the best it gets. Mike |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 2:18:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Troy Same plane apertures, super low profile, locks in the up position, built like a tank. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 2:58:56 PM EDT
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The condition of the two lower screws on your EOTech look like mine....Looks like EOTech need to invest in some new screwdrivers.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 3:13:11 PM EDT
[#50]
No, you are not wrong by saying 'Simple is better'. I think people get battery-powered do-dads and gadgets for competitions and hunting. |
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