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Posted: 9/18/2013 10:23:13 AM EDT
Can you tell me the difference between the LT and SDN?
Weight looks the same and they appear to be about the same length but the LT is almost half the cost as the mount is included. Is there a big difference in OAL when mounted or materiels used in construction? These will be used for 300 BLK and 5.56 maybe some day .308 |
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Can you tell me the difference between the LT and SDN?
Weight looks the same and they appear to be about the same length but the LT is almost half the cost as the mount is included. Is there a big difference in OAL when mounted or materiels used in construction? View Quote From what we can gather, the Phantom LT seems to be YHM's answer to the AAC 762-SDN-6. That is, a shorter .30 caliber can that is specifically designed for maximum performance on a 300 BLK platform. That being said, the SDN-6 is all Inconel whereas the Phantom LT is has a stainless steel/Inconel construction. I'm planning on taking the two of them out for a test drive tomorrow morning so I can get a good idea of how they stack up to one another sound reduction wise so stay tuned on that front. |
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From what we can gather, the Phantom LT seems to be YHM's answer to the AAC 762-SDN-6. That is, a shorter .30 caliber can that is specifically designed for maximum performance on a 300 BLK platform. That being said, the SDN-6 is all Inconel whereas the Phantom LT is has a stainless steel/Inconel construction. I'm planning on taking the two of them out for a test drive tomorrow morning so I can get a good idea of how they stack up to one another sound reduction wise so stay tuned on that front. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Can you tell me the difference between the LT and SDN?
Weight looks the same and they appear to be about the same length but the LT is almost half the cost as the mount is included. Is there a big difference in OAL when mounted or materiels used in construction? From what we can gather, the Phantom LT seems to be YHM's answer to the AAC 762-SDN-6. That is, a shorter .30 caliber can that is specifically designed for maximum performance on a 300 BLK platform. That being said, the SDN-6 is all Inconel whereas the Phantom LT is has a stainless steel/Inconel construction. I'm planning on taking the two of them out for a test drive tomorrow morning so I can get a good idea of how they stack up to one another sound reduction wise so stay tuned on that front. Can you run some 5.56 through them both as well? Do you think the LT will last as long as the SDN-6 when used on an SBR'd 5.56? Also, can you compare the length they add when mounted? |
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Can you run some 5.56 through them both as well?
Do you think the LT will last as long as the SDN-6 when used on an SBR'd 5.56? Also, can you compare the length they add when mounted? View Quote We've got a new video that will hit the website in the next few days where we test out a few of the .30 caliber cans on a .308, a .300 BLK, and a 5.56. The LT is one of the cans we tested so I'll post that video here as soon as it's ready. |
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In on this for the video! Awesome, I too am debating on which can to buy.
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We've got a new video that will hit the website in the next few days where we test out a few of the .30 caliber cans on a .308, a .300 BLK, and a 5.56. The LT is one of the cans we tested so I'll post that video here as soon as it's ready. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Can you run some 5.56 through them both as well?
Do you think the LT will last as long as the SDN-6 when used on an SBR'd 5.56? Also, can you compare the length they add when mounted? We've got a new video that will hit the website in the next few days where we test out a few of the .30 caliber cans on a .308, a .300 BLK, and a 5.56. The LT is one of the cans we tested so I'll post that video here as soon as it's ready. How's the video coming? |
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I think you may need to go kick Dave again. Need to get the cans ordered before the new trust rules kick in.
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Thoughts from someone with no suppressed shooting experience:
The Specwar seems like the best of the bunch when it comes to pure noise reduction. I know it's big and heavy, though. The M2 seems to be a decent performer. Seems like the Ti could benefit from the new M2 design. The LT was not impressive statwise, I was regretting my impulse buy of the SDN6 but now not so much, they seem to be comparable in most aspects. I'd never heard the tuning fork AAC before today. Something to look forward to. |
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What happened to the Surefire Socom 762 RC test results ? View Quote Bottom line: The Surefire SOCOM can performed so poorly that we're quite convinced that it had to be broken. We've sent the can back to surefire to be looked at and we promise that we'll keep y'all posted on that. |
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Bottom line: The Surefire SOCOM can performed so poorly that we're quite convinced that it had to be broken. We've sent the can back to surefire to be looked at and we promise that we'll keep y'all posted on that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
What happened to the Surefire Socom 762 RC test results ? Bottom line: The Surefire SOCOM can performed so poorly that we're quite convinced that it had to be broken. We've sent the can back to surefire to be looked at and we promise that we'll keep y'all posted on that. That's not good to hear. Mine should be approved soon . I hope that I have better results. Thanks for the honesty. |
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Hi all, I just had to chime in on the Surefire results... I have a new FA762k this year. I have 2 buddies with Surefire cans also. In addition, I own 11 silencers and my best friend has 14. That being said, I can definitely tell you, the Surefire can in the shootout was not defective. The performance of them all is truly that awful! My friend and I have often wondered how they were able to sell us these in the first place for absolutely top dollar. Their marketing video is powerful and persuasive. Have you all ever noticed that there is a total lack of actual performance data on surefire suppressors on the internet ??? I believe the data is "suppressed" by the company. (pun intended) Seriously. The mounting system is second to none but that's where it ends. Especially with subsonic blackout. Its honestly as if there is no can on the gun at all. It fully sounds like an unsuppressed rifle. My titanium phantom is lightyears quieter... and you all see how that had some of the lowest scores in the test. And truthfully, this test is yet another example of suppressed data. I bought 5 cans so far from silencershop and I love these guys, but i'm afraid they have fallen a little under the influence of the (big oil) in the suppressor industry. I ask the good folks at Silencershop to at least blog the findings for all to see, and if Surefire can provide some new miracle to prove me wrong, i'll stand corrected. And I'll admit it here. But that aint gonna happen. Meanwhile, ever notice how the .22 can they were developing never made it to market ? That's because the military doesn't buy .22 suppressors and they could never make one to compete with a Sparrow or Spectre on a price/performance level for civilians. So Please, everyone, join me in asking for the truth here.
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Supposedly the .22 cans are in production now and they'll be releasing them soon.
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Hi all, I just had to chime in on the Surefire results... I have a new FA762k this year. I have 2 buddies with Surefire cans also. In addition, I own 11 silencers and my best friend has 14. That being said, I can definitely tell you, the Surefire can in the shootout was not defective. The performance of them all is truly that awful! My friend and I have often wondered how they were able to sell us these in the first place for absolutely top dollar. Their marketing video is powerful and persuasive. Have you all ever noticed that there is a total lack of actual performance data on surefire suppressors on the internet ??? I believe the data is "suppressed" by the company. (pun intended) Seriously. The mounting system is second to none but that's where it ends. Especially with subsonic blackout. Its honestly as if there is no can on the gun at all. It fully sounds like an unsuppressed rifle. My titanium phantom is lightyears quieter... and you all see how that had some of the lowest scores in the test. And truthfully, this test is yet another example of suppressed data. I bought 5 cans so far from silencershop and I love these guys, but i'm afraid they have fallen a little under the influence of the (big oil) in the suppressor industry. I ask the good folks at Silencershop to at least blog the findings for all to see, and if Surefire can provide some new miracle to prove me wrong, i'll stand corrected. And I'll admit it here. But that aint gonna happen. Meanwhile, ever notice how the .22 can they were developing never made it to market ? That's because the military doesn't buy .22 suppressors and they could never make one to compete with a Sparrow or Spectre on a price/performance level for civilians. So Please, everyone, join me in asking for the truth here. View Quote It has never been our intention to suppress bad numbers on a can. We're simply trying to be fair. Personally, I tend to have the opinion that I have never met a .30 caliber can over $1,000.00 that I have liked. There are 1, maybe 2 exceptions to that, but on the whole, that's been the case. I also happen to be of the opinion that the Surefire can we tested was not defective and just isn't a very good product. The Surefire can metered 10-12 decibels louder than suppressors that were less than half the price. Needless to say, this shocked the rest of the Silencer Shop crew. Surefire hasn't had much to say on the matter other than it being possible that our suppressor was defective. If the can comes back to us and performs just as bad we will certainly publish those results. My boss (the owner, Dave) has never asked me to suppress, lie about, or intentionally mislead a customer to make a sale, because he wouldn't do it and he knows that's a deal breaker for me. |
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Thank you for that response. I am sorry if I sounded accusatory. Actually, reading my own post, I did. I truly apologize for that and I fully believe your response. I was just so... angry actually... that my hopes finally for some real Surefire data was blown up. I understand your position and can accept that. I especially, appreciate your honesty and support for what I already know. I am most angry at myself really. I bought my most expensive suppressor without seeing an ounce of data and from a manufacturer that reveals little about their product (ie, baffle material, sound pressure levels, etc.). All based on a video that shows soldiers shooting guns that are whisper quiet. Obviously, they borrowed cans from aac for the video. Anyway, please do release those results when and if (or especially if not) Surefire responds. Thanks and again. sorry about that.
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This makes me sad. I have two surefire 7.62 cans headed my way from silencer shop.
I knew they were not the quietest, but 10-12 db? wow |
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Thank you for that response. I am sorry if I sounded accusatory. Actually, reading my own post, I did. I truly apologize for that and I fully believe your response. I was just so... angry actually... that my hopes finally for some real Surefire data was blown up. I understand your position and can accept that. I especially, appreciate your honesty and support for what I already know. I am most angry at myself really. I bought my most expensive suppressor without seeing an ounce of data and from a manufacturer that reveals little about their product (ie, baffle material, sound pressure levels, etc.). All based on a video that shows soldiers shooting guns that are whisper quiet. Obviously, they borrowed cans from aac for the video. Anyway, please do release those results when and if (or especially if not) Surefire responds. Thanks and again. sorry about that. View Quote Nothing to be sorry about. I just wanted y'all to know that we keeps it real. I hope I'm wrong about Surefire cans but time will tell. |
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I have a coworker who thinks all suppressors are BS on supersonic because the only one he has ever heard was a Surefire on an LE HK416. I thought he was just being a dumbass.... (Any can on a .556 is still arguably loud)
Now I am wondering if I need to let him shoot my YHM?!?! |
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Nothing to be sorry about. I just wanted y'all to know that we keeps it real. I hope I'm wrong about Surefire cans but time will tell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Thank you for that response. I am sorry if I sounded accusatory. Actually, reading my own post, I did. I truly apologize for that and I fully believe your response. I was just so... angry actually... that my hopes finally for some real Surefire data was blown up. I understand your position and can accept that. I especially, appreciate your honesty and support for what I already know. I am most angry at myself really. I bought my most expensive suppressor without seeing an ounce of data and from a manufacturer that reveals little about their product (ie, baffle material, sound pressure levels, etc.). All based on a video that shows soldiers shooting guns that are whisper quiet. Obviously, they borrowed cans from aac for the video. Anyway, please do release those results when and if (or especially if not) Surefire responds. Thanks and again. sorry about that. Nothing to be sorry about. I just wanted y'all to know that we keeps it real. I hope I'm wrong about Surefire cans but time will tell. Has Silencer Shop tested any of the Surefire SOCOM556 cans? RC or Mini? Would it be possible for Silencer Shop to measure the bore diameter through through the Surefire SOCOM cans and see how it compares with other better performing 5.56 & 7.62 cans? If the SF cans are metering significantly louder, I'm wondering if Surefire overbored the baffle stack some to make them more reliable in the field and lessen the chance of a baffle strike? Overbored baffles would also help explain how, according to Surefire, "Advanced core design reduces back pressure, suppressed cyclic rate, and gas blowback". I'm curious as to why the SOCOMs have been out since around April, 2013 and from what I can tell, no one has published how any of the SOCOMs meter. Any additional info would be helpful. I hope I'm wrong about all of this, but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not. |
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So my friend, good to hear from someone else on this issue. I have no knowledge about the Socoms specifically, but as I have said, I own the very latest gen of the Fa762k and an Fa556-212. The bores are competitively sized on those and seemingly not oversized. I consider the bores on my YHM suppressors oversized. Those are large. I'm quite sure I could safely fire a 9mm (.35cal) bullet through a .30 cal YHM Ti Phantom. The Surefires are not nearly that large. I would call them normally sized. So that is not the cause. With full power .308 and full power 5.56, they all are loud, but to me and my group of friends, the Surefires are louder than the rest. I don't have a meter to back that up ofcourse. But like I said, its in subsonic blackout where I was floored. I mean, that's the round you want a suppressor for. Look at the Specwar 762. It takes subsonic blackout down to the 1 teens in decibels! WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's suppressed .22 area.... with a top of the line .22 suppressor no less ! I would guess my surefire to be in the 140's somewhere. On the verge of hearing safe. If my understanding of the decibel scale is remotely accurate, that means the Specwar is several TIMES quieter. HUGE HUGE difference. So to your original question, go try to find any numbers for any Surefire suppressors on the net, nevermind the newest Socoms...
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So my friend, good to hear from someone else on this issue. I have no knowledge about the Socoms specifically, but as I have said, I own the very latest gen of the Fa762k and an Fa556-212. The bores are competitively sized on those and seemingly not oversized. I consider the bores on my YHM suppressors oversized. Those are large. I'm quite sure I could safely fire a 9mm (.35cal) bullet through a .30 cal YHM Ti Phantom. The Surefires are not nearly that large. I would call them normally sized. So that is not the cause. With full power .308 and full power 5.56, they all are loud, but to me and my group of friends, the Surefires are louder than the rest. I don't have a meter to back that up ofcourse. But like I said, its in subsonic blackout where I was floored. I mean, that's the round you want a suppressor for. Look at the Specwar 762. It takes subsonic blackout down to the 1 teens in decibels! WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's suppressed .22 area.... with a top of the line .22 suppressor no less ! I would guess my surefire to be in the 140's somewhere. On the verge of hearing safe. If my understanding of the decibel scale is remotely accurate, that means the Specwar is several TIMES quieter. HUGE HUGE difference. So to your original question, go try to find any numbers for any Surefire suppressors on the net, nevermind the newest Socoms... View Quote I have seen independantly metered Surefire cans, one even done by AAC, and they are all within 2-3dB of everything else. It is my OPINION, however, that Surefire's baffles do not play the best with subsonic ammunition. I am willing to bet that the angst is with the subsonic 300BLK, and it performed mid-range on the 7.62x51. That said, this video seems to depict one doing well, and the poster seems pleased: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k02emHEfItI |
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I would agree with that. The baffles are clearly not tuned at all for subsonic use. However, supersonic seems generally competitive. I wonder if the 7.62 mini they have is better tuned for 300 aac, or is it just a shorter, louder version of the same baffle design ? I'm guessing the latter. Those are numbers I would be interested in. But I figured out a fix... I've decided I can feel a lot better if I just shoot my Surefire suppressors with my ears completely plugged and use this guy's camera to record my day. Later, I'll smile big listening to the soft whoosh of my cans rather than the ringing in my ears...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRv5agPCCw |
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Follow-up? What did Surefire's technician say when they got back with you?
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I'm interested in this too...Was going to order a SF Socom from you guys but holding for results. May have to go a different way, I am surprised by this considering SF's reputation for quality. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Follow-up? What did Surefire's technician say when they got back with you? I'm interested in this too...Was going to order a SF Socom from you guys but holding for results. May have to go a different way, I am surprised by this considering SF's reputation for quality. Their suppressors are just fine. I would just like to see an official response. |
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