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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:17:32 PM EDT
Hey all, I have a meeting coming up about planning ahead for future optics projects for our brand. If you've posted up "Hey, why don't you guys build a ..." in the past or if you have a really cool idea for an optics product, here's your chance! What is the product that doesn't exist right now, that you would want to buy with the Primary Arms name etched on the side.
And GO! 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2018 8:47:42 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RV8guy:
Is the exciting new thing going to be available the week after SHOT or Q3 2020? I personally would not want to hear about something until it's ready to ship. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RV8guy:
Originally Posted By PA_Mike: Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Guys, I had a briefing yesterday on our big announcement for SHOT Show 2019. I'm writing the content and press releases for it now. I'm not saying what it's about yet, but I'm more excited right now about what the company is doing than I have been at any time since I started in 2015. You guys are gonna love what's coming down the pipe, I hope. This isn't the usual SHOT Show "answer to a question nobody asked." This is us listening to our customers, looking at market trends, and taking a huge step in the direction you've told us to go. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:33:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PA_Mike]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RV8guy: Is the exciting new thing going to be available the week after SHOT or Q3 2020? I personally would not want to hear about something until it's ready to ship. Theoretically, as a student of marketing, it's wiser to sell product that you already have in stock instead of teasing product that isn't available yet. For example, when Harley Davidson (I used to sell Harleys so I have a lot of war stories from them) announces new bikes, they are already on their way to dealers, and the dealers are already offering relatively hefty discounts on their oldest inventory to make room for the new stuff. They don't announce the new stuff six months in advance, because that would basically tell everyone "Hey don't buy a 2018 Harley, if you wait awhile the 2019 has a bigger engine and a new chassis setup". But that's not how the firearms industry likes to do things, in general. Anyway, you guys know me. I love to gush about all the new upcoming stuff because I'm proud of what we are doing and the direction we are going in. I told my coworker Torrey the other day, "It's a damn luxury to do marketing for a company that is growing and improving and every new product is an improvement. Imagine if you were working for a company like Colt where everyone knew they don't make 'em like they used to, they are cutting corners, they aren't as good as they used to be, and it was our job to try to spin it and fluff it up anyway." |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 5:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: Holosun ACSS and 1x Cyclops already work. You get BDC out to 200 yards with the ACSS red dot, if you don't have astigmatism it's a great way to go. https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle-hs503g-acss |
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USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:04:32 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMardigan:
I have astigmatism :( Anyway, to contribute: as mentioned earlier, a 2.5-10x32mm to 42mm would be ideal for an SPR style setup. The Leupolds of old have gone the way of the dinosaur and PA can step in and create something modern and more effective for the DMR/SPR role than a mildot or TMR. The ACSS HUD has huge potential here because of the medium engagement distances of the 5.56 and ease of use of the reticle. I've been impressed with what I've seen so far, but I feel like the 3-18x50 is overkill for 5.56, and is more suited for .308 or 6.5cm. Typically your engagement ranges would be no more than around 800m, so the extra magnification is unnecessary in my opinion, and the lower magnification would provide better clarity and weight savings. I would prefer a forgiving eyebox and large exit pupil on low power to make snapshots at close range, but this is a secondary application of the weapon system, so it would only fall under the "nice to have" category. Recall that the real Mk12 had a FA FCG for these short range engagements. The illuminated horseshoe design at low power would complement this role perfectly. There is definitely a void in this market for such an optic, and although it may be relatively niche, I am patiently waiting for any news on this. Call it $400~ and it'd shake up the market here. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:44:08 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By small_friend:
You should be good to go with the cyclops. I use a PA 3x for my astigmatism and I can't ask for more. I've been very happy. Anyway, to contribute: as mentioned earlier, a 2.5-10x32mm to 42mm would be ideal for an SPR style setup. The Leupolds of old have gone the way of the dinosaur and PA can step in and create something modern and more effective for the DMR/SPR role than a mildot or TMR. The ACSS HUD has huge potential here because of the medium engagement distances of the 5.56 and ease of use of the reticle. I've been impressed with what I've seen so far, but I feel like the 3-18x50 is overkill for 5.56, and is more suited for .308 or 6.5cm. Typically your engagement ranges would be no more than around 800m, so the extra magnification is unnecessary in my opinion, and the lower magnification would provide better clarity and weight savings. I would prefer a forgiving eyebox and large exit pupil on low power to make snapshots at close range, but this is a secondary application of the weapon system, so it would only fall under the "nice to have" category. Recall that the real Mk12 had a FA FCG for these short range engagements. The illuminated horseshoe design at low power would complement this role perfectly. There is definitely a void in this market for such an optic, and although it may be relatively niche, I am patiently waiting for any news on this. Call it $400~ and it'd shake up the market here. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 11:08:52 AM EDT
[#6]
I said it in another thread but I'll put it here. Collaboration with ADM on a Recon-H-X for the Raptor. 3" offset and 1.93" height. No need to credit me with the idea just send me one to test
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:45:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering?
Theoretically. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:32:40 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:46:36 PM EDT
[#9]
Would it be ok if the turrets were locking and with a zero stop instead of caps that people lose and we have to replace?
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:47:34 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would it be ok if the turrets were locking and with a zero stop instead of caps that people lose and we have to replace? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:37:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: keeperofthedew]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would it be ok if the turrets were locking and with a zero stop instead of caps that people lose and we have to replace? 
Count me out. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:19:16 PM EDT
[#12]
I'd buy it only if the ACSS HUD DMR reticle was available for it. This, in my opinion, is the biggest advantage for this scope. I would prefer a 30mm main tube for maximum compatibility with optic mounts and adequate light transmission for the objective size. As for capped turrets, I agree that they're just one more thing to lose if you're not setting it and forgetting it, and the locking turrets are a better idea for tactical applications. I'm not sure if the turret size will contribute to any sort of meaningful overall bulk or weight, as it's the size of the optic that really determines these attributes, which will already be smaller and lighter than the 3-18. Besides, I feel that lightweight, simple "general purpose" optics are already readily available: see LPVOs, prism optics, etc. This magnification range and feature set steps it up into precision shooting territory, where target turrets, low profile or otherwise, are generally desirable. However, I won't be primarily dialing dope with this optic because that's not the spirit of the optic, and by extension, the SPR/DMR concept: speed over precision. It's been said that 1MOA now is better than 1/4MOA too late, and I agree with this notion, especially in the context of the role the optic is most suited for. However, in certain cases it would be best to dial for a precise shot rather than use the reticle for holdovers, so it is only advantageous to have both methods available, thus necessitating the need for "bulky", uncapped target turrets. I don't think I'd be "settling" at all for such an optic - in fact, I am quite excited to see what PA has up their sleeve.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2018 8:39:36 AM EDT
[#13]
This with a Raptor reticle...effective and simple
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:36:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By keeperofthedew: So now we're going from a compact mid-range/general purpose scope to a bulky target scope.
Count me out. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:52:26 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 12:26:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stre-tch:
Glass quality? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stre-tch:
Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically.
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:02:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Depends on the price range, theoretically.
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:19:38 AM EDT
[#18]
I would be most interested in a Cyclops with a Eotech type (circle dot) or 2 moa dot reticle.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:51:54 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By small_friend:
Depends on the price range, theoretically. So, we're talking what is a street value (Optics Planet) $950 scope by Vortex, We're hoping to bring a viable alternative product to market that's extremely comparable for $799 or so. But our product is our own design, not just engraving our logo on the side of the same hardware. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:28:28 AM EDT
[#20]
Sounds good, but if I'm gonna pay 50% more for an optic, I want at least HD glass and more reasons to upgrade. Although currently I'd be happy with the 3-18s just in a smaller, 2-10 package.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:56:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PA_Mike]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By small_friend:
Sounds good, but if I'm gonna pay 50% more for an optic, I want at least HD glass and more reasons to upgrade. Although currently I'd be happy with the 3-18s just in a smaller, 2-10 package. It's like Chevron Techrontm gasoline. Do you mind paying an extra 4 cents a gallon to get the advantages of Techrontm? Or how about Shell V-Powertm? If you love the labels, you'll pay more for them, and that's fine. Does your car actually run any better than it does when you get your gas from Valero or QuickTrip? I guess that's for each of us to decide, isn't it. In a recent marketing meeting I said we need to come up for our own catch phrase for really good glass, trademark it, and tout that we are the exclusive provider for it. Maybe we could call it Coated Linear Evidently Augmented Resolutiontm glass, so our high end customers would have something to point to and say theirs is better when discussing scopes with the semi-retired guy behind the counter at Cabelas. Only Primary Arms has CLEAR glass, even Leupold and Nikon don't have this technology! At the end of the day, I love marketing. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 12:00:49 AM EDT
[#22]
Any chance of a 3-18 with a reticle optimized for shooting generic paper targets at fixed known distances?
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USA
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Posted: 11/22/2018 3:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: Here's the problem with HD / ED glass. It's protected intellectual property. What if I told you our Platinums have HD glass but we can't CALL it HD glass on the packaging unless we pay someone who owns the rights to that registered trademarked phrase and then jack up our prices to compensate for it. Would you still demand HD glass then, and be willing to pay the extra? It's like Chevron Techrontm gasoline. Do you mind paying an extra 4 cents a gallon to get the advantages of Techrontm? Or how about Shell V-Powertm? If you love the labels, you'll pay more for them, and that's fine. Does your car actually run any better than it does when you get your gas from Valero or QuickTrip? I guess that's for each of us to decide, isn't it. In a recent marketing meeting I said we need to come up for our own catch phrase for really good glass, trademark it, and tout that we are the exclusive provider for it. Maybe we could call it Coated Linear Evidently Augmented Resolutiontm glass, so our high end customers would have something to point to and say theirs is better when discussing scopes with the semi-retired guy behind the counter at Cabelas. Only Primary Arms has CLEAR glass, even Leupold and Nikon don't have this technology! At the end of the day, I love marketing. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 4:09:34 PM EDT
[#24]
I would like to see Binoculars, I'm looking to get rid of my Celestron 52252 100mm spotting scope that sit's on a tripod and move to something more manageable and compact.
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USA
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Posted: 11/22/2018 8:41:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. I think a 40mm might sell better for the slightly lower profile and weight. I've been eyeing the Burris Veracity 2-10x42. Just lacks illumination and range estimation. A bridge between a 1-6 and the 4-14 if you will. Edit: If it has the HUD reticle and fancy turrets I'll pass. I want simple mid range target acquisition with a good eye box, not a bench scope. Keep it simple, lighter, and faster and don't over think it. Anyone wanting to shoot MOA at 500 yards won't be using this. Guys shooting steel at different ranges, hunters, and people who shoot past 50 yards off hand will. Edit 2: Just saw the ACSS M2 reticle. Throw it in a 2-10x40 (or 32), hovering at 12", weighing under 25 ounces, capped turrets, don't make it premium cost, and call it a day. Keep it under $600 and watch all the hunters, SPR, and 308 guys come running. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2018 3:20:35 PM EDT
[#26]
At lower magnification, 2-10, a SFP would work well. Want one of these for woods shooting so looking for SFP for the lower powers and 42-44 objective for light gathering. Please.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2018 6:05:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Think of it as a DMR/hunting optic. Something like what's in the 3X prism or 1-6 would be perfect. Needs simple BDC and range estimation while still being quick and nimble up close. A Chevron instead of a dot would be nice too. I think a 40mm might sell better for the slightly lower profile and weight. I've been eyeing the Burris Veracity 2-10x42. Just lacks illumination and range estimation. A bridge between a 1-6 and the 4-14 if you will. Edit: If it has the HUD reticle and fancy turrets I'll pass. I want simple mid range target acquisition with a good eye box, not a bench scope. Keep it simple, lighter, and faster and don't over think it. Anyone wanting to shoot MOA at 500 yards won't be using this. Guys shooting steel at different ranges, hunters, and people who shoot past 50 yards off hand will. Edit 2: Just saw the ACSS M2 reticle. Throw it in a 2-10x40 (or 32), hovering at 12", weighing under 25 ounces, capped turrets, don't make it premium cost, and call it a day. Keep it under $600 and watch all the hunters, SPR, and 308 guys come running. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 6:49:56 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would it be ok if the turrets were locking and with a zero stop instead of caps that people lose and we have to replace? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:10:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sovaprepper]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. Theoretically with the glass quality, price point and turrets of the new 3-18? Send it!! Bonus points if theres one with a mil grid similar to the griffin mil 1-8 platinum |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 3:15:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 4:43:57 AM EDT
[#31]
I would go for a 1-8x Raptor FFP, with the reticle extended to 800.
That would be useful on a .308 or 5.56 DMR, while still being useful up close if needed. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2018 5:45:04 PM EDT
[#32]
A very high magnification spotting scope with the HUD reticle.
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USA
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:54:34 AM EDT
[#33]
How about more green please. It's brighter and easier to pick up in the day, and doesn't trigger my astigmatism as bad in low light.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 4:59:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Japanese made 2/3-10/15/18 that dosent weigh two pounds.
Hell I’d settle for a platinum 1-8 that dosent weigh 26.5oz. What would be really cool though would be a 1-10x24/32/44 or something like that. There’s a couple Japanese OEM scopes that are 1-10x that have been shown but I haven’t seen any reviews. I like the Platinum line up don’t get me wrong, but considering LOW is OEMing scopes that weigh less than 25oz for other OEMs that are just as tough (Nightforce cough cough) I’m just questioning why I want to run such heavy scopes. Maybe it’s just me since my 556 and 308 builds run LaRue PredatAR barrels |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2018 1:20:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2018 5:21:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
Would you settle for a 2.5-10x44 FFP with a really good eyebox/exit pupil and field of view that extends to the edges of the scope body with almost no black bordering? Theoretically. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2018 4:50:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Is it just me or are the rest of you pumped up for shot show??
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Posted: 12/25/2018 12:53:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0351:
A very high magnification spotting scope with the HUD reticle. Something relatively compact (like the Leupold Mark IV SPOTR) with a choice of reticles for range estimation and calling misses. Perhaps a reticle-free version for those that are looking for a pure spotting scope. Glassing for game in a "busy" reticle might not be for everyone. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:09:47 PM EDT
[#39]
A 1-4 LPVO for ~$500 not made in China.
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Posted: 12/25/2018 1:49:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning:
A 1-4 LPVO for ~$500 not made in China. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2018 5:00:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gadgetguy1288: Steiner has the P4xi. Can be had for about $500 and is made in the US. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:23:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PA_Mike]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning:
A 1-4 LPVO for ~$500 not made in China. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2018 2:04:03 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: I would love to live in a world where this is possible. But I hate to tell you this, pretty much every optic that's under $500, of any kind, is made in China. Steiner claims the Px4i is made in the USA, but in fact it is ASSEMBLED in the USA. Not the same thing, if you ask me. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 2:27:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning:
I'd take one made in the Philippines. $300 is just my limit on Chinese optics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By PA_Mike: I would love to live in a world where this is possible. But I hate to tell you this, pretty much every optic that's under $500, of any kind, is made in China. Steiner claims the Px4i is made in the USA, but in fact it is ASSEMBLED in the USA. Not the same thing, if you ask me. When I used to sell Harleys we had guys walk in like, "Hey I want a Road King but I'm not paying a penny over $7,000 for it, ya'll are too proud of them." I was always like, cool, good luck finding a busted one on Craigslist for you to have a project bike, you'll see one of those about every 3 months or so. They were always taken aback like I was being the asshole (not always a bad thing at a Harley shop), but from my point of view, market reality supersedes everything. I guess my question is, what made you decide that no Chinese optic ever could be worth $301? If it's just that you don't want to give the Chinese your money, I get that part, really. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 7:41:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Please, please put out a 3-18x50 w/ R-grid 2B that is MOA/MOA.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2018 10:16:56 AM EDT
[#46]
Have you ever considered making a throw lever type optic similar to the elcan spectre?
I would love to have a compact 1-4 optic that isn't a heavy scope and mount combo. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2018 4:12:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SilverLightning]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: What made you choose $300? What evidence did you base your number on? When I used to sell Harleys we had guys walk in like, "Hey I want a Road King but I'm not paying a penny over $7,000 for it, ya'll are too proud of them." I was always like, cool, good luck finding a busted one on Craigslist for you to have a project bike, you'll see one of those about every 3 months or so. They were always taken aback like I was being the asshole (not always a bad thing at a Harley shop), but from my point of view, market reality supersedes everything. I guess my question is, what made you decide that no Chinese optic ever could be worth $301? If it's just that you don't want to give the Chinese your money, I get that part, really. Also I want to note, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or talk crap about PA... |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:21:10 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning: I don't doubt if Primary Arms sells an Chinese optic for $301 it will be a good one, I've got three of your flashlights and two optics and they all work for me. It's just that I don't like sending China money if for the same amount I can buy from another country. Right now I'm saving up (on a limited firearms budget) for a lpvo for around $500 and I'm seeing some made (assembled at least) in the US and some in the Philippines, so since I have those options I would not buy one made in China. Also I want to note, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or talk crap about PA... If someone says they won't purchase a scope from us because they politically disagree with some of the things that China is doing and they are voting with their wallet, that's not something I'm inclined to argue with them about. That's a valid choice made for political and personal reasons and if we were to talk personally off-site I would probably agree with a lot of those reasons. All I have to say further is, please stay tuned when SHOT Show rolls around and companies start releasing new products and making their big announcements. PA should have some new stuff that interests you at that time. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:17:14 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sublimeon24s:
Something pretty much EVERYONE would like to see: A better looking branding logo on the side of their optic...........that font is longggggggg overdue for a makeover. Whoever is in charge of that needs to consider this very seriously. The optics you guys are releasing are nice, the Primary Arms fully spelled out in that font is the only thing that gives them a cheap appearance. Come up with a cool PA logo like the new Eotech one or something Another thing it seems lots of people want to see: The current MD-AD-RB rotary knob micro with the ACSS reticle |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:38:22 PM EDT
[#50]
I'd like to see an 11mm or 3/8 dovetail 22-type mount for your micro dots
and something like the Weaver 1" 1-3x20 scope with illuminated #4 reticle. It's small, light, simple, and has good glass. It needs a thicker reticle and illumination  
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