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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: I get that it's a standard part, prior to undergoing proprietary mods. Most people hear, "It does work with a standard mil-spec lower" and imagine that an M4 barrel gets twisted up in the Bradley turret and you say, "Hand me that "standard mil spec lower" (assembly), I will mount a... HK-416 upper, T-91 upper, BRN-180 upper, AR-57 upper, CMMG .22 upper, etc... If JAKL, you'll be breaking that stake and performing the proprietary mods before you blaze, after which it will be in a proprietary configuration. Which is fine! I'm just thinking one step ahead for someone who wants to use it on an existing SBR, or might be confused by that statement. I’d love to know how you saw an ar with a folding stock and thought it would be universal. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 4:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: I don't think anyone is truly upset over it, but it will NOT function with a standard milspec lower... which is what we are talking about. JAKL requires proprietary mods. I would be upset because I want to throw it on a RR. Glad they are going to make it work on a regular lower. I would have been surprised if they did. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By forgottenben: I’d love to know how you saw an ar with a folding stock and thought it would be universal. Yeah, me too... |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2021 2:29:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe brn 180 is not a Normal upper. Every di upper(99% of all uppers) needs a buffer tube and a non folding stock to fire. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 2:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By forgottenben: The brn 180 is not a Normal upper. Every di upper(99% of all uppers) needs a buffer tube and a non folding stock to fire. IIRC the Dead Foot Arms folder replaces the BCG, but otherwise it's a standard DI upper. Can even fire folded. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2021 7:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By forgottenben: I’d love to know how you saw an ar with a folding stock and thought it would be universal. BRN-180 goes right on a standard milspec lower- no mods. You're being deliberately obtuse. I've never seen a "standard mil spec lower" with a folding stock either- other than LVAW, and that is a nonstandard weapon. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2021 7:39:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: BRN-180 goes right on a standard milspec lower- no mods. You're being deliberately obtuse. I've never seen a "standard mil spec lower" with a folding stock either- other than LVAW, and that is a nonstandard weapon. I have been known to be insensitive. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:03:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By forgottenben: The brn 180 is not a Normal upper. Every di upper(99% of all uppers) needs a buffer tube and a non folding stock to fire. My mistake, I forgot this thread was about Normal DI Uppers... you know, like the JAKL. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: My mistake, I forgot this thread was about Normal DI Uppers... you know, like the JAKL. This has gotten way off point. Yes its gonna require an adapter to function just like a sig mix upper would on an ar lower. My suggestion go buy another lower or five. Lowers are cheap cheap cheap. |
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Posted: 5/9/2021 7:12:39 PM EDT
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any one hear if they will offer just the upper, I have a dozen 80% lowers I have acquired over the years and can care less for a complete gun that I need to get from an FFL, especially in this political environment.
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Posted: 5/9/2021 8:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WE_BE_KILLING_UM: any one hear if they will offer just the upper, I have a dozen 80% lowers I have acquired over the years and can care less for a complete gun that I need to get from an FFL, especially in this political environment. I've been having a similar question in my mind - no interest in the completed firearm for me. I wonder if with the latest run on raw materials this might actually be a simpler/faster way to get this to market, assuming it's been tested and QA'd properly? @PalmettoStateArmory: any insights you can provide here? Would love to see the upper by itself first (but can beggars actually be choosers?). |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 12:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flipaldinho: I've been having a similar question in my mind - no interest in the completed firearm for me. I wonder if with the latest run on raw materials this might actually be a simpler/faster way to get this to market, assuming it's been tested and QA'd properly? @PalmettoStateArmory: any insights you can provide here? Would love to see the upper by itself first (but can beggars actually be choosers?). I am not sure how the initial launch will go yet. We will know in time as we get closer. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 3:50:43 PM EDT
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Or any launch at this point. Bans will be on place by then. What we looking like 3022……. Sorry I mean 2022
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Posted: 5/11/2021 11:16:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WE_BE_KILLING_UM: Or any launch at this point. Bans will be on place by then. What we looking like 3022……. Sorry I mean 2022 It will be this year. We had 3 of them at "The Gathering." They are actively working on it now. It will be out in 2021! Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/11/2021 1:41:20 PM EDT
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that would be nice
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Posted: 5/12/2021 4:59:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: It will be this year. We had 3 of them at "The Gathering." They are actively working on it now. It will be out in 2021! Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/19/2021 7:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLOCKshooter: That's really good news. I have been holding out for this, but have come close to buying a Rattler or a Rattler conversion a few times. I really think this is a much better solution fir a tiny 300. I hope the whole brace fiasco doesn't stop it from being offered as a pistol with the triangle brace. I have a few SBR'd lowers, but I would prefer the format it was designed for, for several reasons. That will never happen. They had their chance and missed it. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2021 4:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: That will never happen. They had their chance and missed it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter: That's really good news. I have been holding out for this, but have come close to buying a Rattler or a Rattler conversion a few times. I really think this is a much better solution fir a tiny 300. I hope the whole brace fiasco doesn't stop it from being offered as a pistol with the triangle brace. I have a few SBR'd lowers, but I would prefer the format it was designed for, for several reasons. That will never happen. They had their chance and missed it. Dude, braces are weeks away from getting fucked. ATF already passed the recommendation over to DOJ. |
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Posted: 5/20/2021 9:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: Dude, braces are weeks away from getting fucked. ATF already passed the recommendation over to DOJ. thats my point. PSA missed their chance. Braced pistols as firearms are precisely what they want to ban by EO / rule/ whatever |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2021 2:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: thats my point. PSA missed their chance. Braced pistols as firearms are precisely what they want to ban by EO / rule/ whatever Then don’t buy it. I’ve got the budget for four set aside. |
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Posted: 6/2/2021 4:48:28 PM EDT
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Any updates PSA? halfway point of the year I need to spend some gun money!
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Posted: 6/3/2021 9:57:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KJCA3: Any updates PSA? halfway point of the year I need to spend some gun money! The only update I have is that it will be out in 2021. I don't want to be too specific and then overpromise and under deliver. It will be out this year! Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 6/3/2021 11:03:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: The only update I have is that it will be out in 2021. I don't want to be too specific and then overpromise and under deliver. It will be out this year! Thank you, Josiah No problem, thank you for putting out such cool stuff! |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2021 10:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: The only update I have is that it will be out in 2021. I don't want to be too specific and then overpromise and under deliver. It will be out this year! Thank you, Josiah This is great news! Thank you |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 10:00:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: The only update I have is that it will be out in 2021. I don't want to be too specific and then overpromise and under deliver. It will be out this year! Thank you, Josiah great news. I sure am excited for its release. I just hope that i can get one when it comes out. Lets hope its roll out is better off and done better than the Daggers was./is.... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/15/2021 3:39:15 PM EDT
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@PalmettoStateArmory
Any update on which binary triggers are working so far? And any that do not? |
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Posted: 7/19/2021 10:23:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tex21: @PalmettoStateArmory Any update on which binary triggers are working so far? And any that do not? I sent a message to engineering. I will let you know as soon as I hear back. Thanks, Josiah |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2021 3:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: I sent a message to engineering. I will let you know as soon as I hear back. Thanks, Josiah Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By tex21: @PalmettoStateArmory Any update on which binary triggers are working so far? And any that do not? I sent a message to engineering. I will let you know as soon as I hear back. Thanks, Josiah Any updates to this? Do you still believe the jakl to be on track for Q3? Any word on what will be available first and price points? Thank you. Patiently waiting, eager to get my hands on this. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 5:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kublah: Any updates to this? Do you still believe the jakl to be on track for Q3? Any word on what will be available first and price points? Thank you. Patiently waiting, eager to get my hands on this. I will give more info as I get it. The JAKL will be out this year, 2021! I do not have an exact date, but it will be 2021. Thank you, Josiah |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2021 4:54:00 PM EDT
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6 weeks until October. Im starting to doubt I'll have a JAKL under my tree this year.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2021 6:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: 6 weeks until October. Im starting to doubt I'll have a JAKL under my tree this year. Depending on when they release I’d say this is gonna be hard to purchase. I’d imagine it selling out very quick. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2021 10:36:49 AM EDT
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Also as I recall the 556 version will be available first and I'm interested in the 300blk, so may be sometime next year for myself too I guess. Still waiting to hear about which specific models will be available, when and if the prices have stayed the same.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2021 10:45:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kublah: Also as I recall the 556 version will be available first and I'm interested in the 300blk, so may be sometime next year for myself too I guess. Still waiting to hear about which specific models will be available, when and if the prices have stayed the same. If I had to guess they'll release 2 weeks after the MP5 and for $1799 unbraced. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2021 12:03:12 PM EDT
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I doubt it, given PSA's usual price point. I've been holding out for a PSA bufferless "AR" over a BRN-180 and MCX/Rattler as I feel both are rather inflated prices. The before prices for the sig rattler conversion at best were ~$1450 and the BRN-180 10.5 300blk was ~$770. Supposedly if I am remembering Dale correctly, the JAKL upper by its self should be about $400, and the full pistol version should be around $899. Given that they have held true to their quotes on the dagger, I'm feeling pretty good about holding on.
I would be real interested if the JAKL upper will work with the BRN-180 lower, or if PSA plans to release a pic rail lower of their own. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 7:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kublah: I would be real interested if the JAKL upper will work with the BRN-180 lower, or if PSA plans to release a pic rail lower of their own. (apologies in advance if I'm behind, I didn't read the whole thread) I was watching videos from the event earlier this year and they answered that--the pic rail on the back is part of the upper assembly, not the lower. One question I had after watching the videos--the PSA guy said they were only going to sell assembled uppers and mentioned something about pressing the barrel, trunion, etc. Does that mean this will not use AR barrels and barrel changes will not be easy to DIY? |
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Posted: 8/25/2021 4:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikesmith13807: (apologies in advance if I'm behind, I didn't read the whole thread) I was watching videos from the event earlier this year and they answered that--the pic rail on the back is part of the upper assembly, not the lower. I doesn't seem that way, go to minute mark 9:00 and see the separated upper and lower. There is a bumper insert inside and a wraparound endcap outside on the LOWER side.  Finally! PSA JAKL Ultimate Truck Gun? / Palmetto State Armory |
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USA
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Posted: 8/31/2021 12:33:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikesmith13807: (apologies in advance if I'm behind, I didn't read the whole thread) I was watching videos from the event earlier this year and they answered that--the pic rail on the back is part of the upper assembly, not the lower. One question I had after watching the videos--the PSA guy said they were only going to sell assembled uppers and mentioned something about pressing the barrel, trunion, etc. Does that mean this will not use AR barrels and barrel changes will not be easy to DIY? I don't know for sure about what barrels they will use, I assume it's an AR barrel but they are not swappable. They will not be diyable at all. |
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Posted: 8/31/2021 12:40:09 AM EDT
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I got a BRN folding brace build and would be all over this if it's lighter, adjustable gas (including off), and monolithic as depicted
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Posted: 9/8/2021 12:43:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: I will give more info as I get it. The JAKL will be out this year, 2021! I do not have an exact date, but it will be 2021. Thank you, Josiah Is it out yet? Is it out yet? Is it out yet? Is it out yet? 
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Posted: 9/11/2021 8:30:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trash_Panda: I got a BRN folding brace build and would be all over this if it's lighter, adjustable gas (including off), and monolithic as depicted Same here. Also the forward, non-reciprocating ambidextrous charging handle is a big selling point for me too. The charging handle on my BRN-180 is incompatible with certain mounts, and even having it on the right side like an AK is annoying. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2021 11:12:50 PM EDT
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PSA gonna list one rifle 12/31/21 at 11:45p and claim they met their self imposed deadline of "out by 2021!"
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Posted: 9/13/2021 12:49:40 PM EDT
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PSA's delays is making me look more at Foxtrot Mike's new rifle
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MS, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sixgunsblazing: PSA's delays is making me look more at Foxtrot Mike's new rifle Not a bad price either: https://aimsurplus.com/foxtrot-mike-fm15-g2-11-5in-223-5-56-ar-pistol/ PSA needs to get these out the door before the competition eats all their momentum for a poor man's MCX. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:46:14 PM EDT
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Indeed the FM is very interesting and certainly competitively priced to what was speculated for the JAKL.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2021 1:07:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kublah: Any updates to this? Do you still believe the jakl to be on track for Q3? Any word on what will be available first and price points? Thank you. Patiently waiting, eager to get my hands on this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kublah: Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By tex21: @PalmettoStateArmory Any update on which binary triggers are working so far? And any that do not? I sent a message to engineering. I will let you know as soon as I hear back. Thanks, Josiah Any updates to this? Do you still believe the jakl to be on track for Q3? Any word on what will be available first and price points? Thank you. Patiently waiting, eager to get my hands on this. Do you have any updates or news? Do you still think it will be released in the next 3 months? Thank you |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2021 8:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mandalore117: Not a bad price either: https://aimsurplus.com/foxtrot-mike-fm15-g2-11-5in-223-5-56-ar-pistol/ PSA needs to get these out the door before the competition eats all their momentum for a poor man's MCX. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mandalore117: Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing: PSA's delays is making me look more at Foxtrot Mike's new rifle Not a bad price either: https://aimsurplus.com/foxtrot-mike-fm15-g2-11-5in-223-5-56-ar-pistol/ PSA needs to get these out the door before the competition eats all their momentum for a poor man's MCX. they roll that out in .300 and JAKL will be on suicide watch. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2021 5:16:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: they roll that out in .300 and JAKL will be on suicide watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: Originally Posted By mandalore117: Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing: PSA's delays is making me look more at Foxtrot Mike's new rifle Not a bad price either: https://aimsurplus.com/foxtrot-mike-fm15-g2-11-5in-223-5-56-ar-pistol/ PSA needs to get these out the door before the competition eats all their momentum for a poor man's MCX. they roll that out in .300 and JAKL will be on suicide watch. I do like that it’s 11.5”, but it appears di, and it’s also out of stock. I imagine there’s plenty of space for both. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:38:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By forgottenben: I do like that it’s 11.5”, but it appears di, and it’s also out of stock. I imagine there’s plenty of space for both. Its definitely DI, but they somehow figured out how to move the recoil assembly on top of the barrel. Pretty interesting setup actually. I dont need a whole gun but I may grab an upper to play with once they start selling them separately. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lok993: Its definitely DI, but they somehow figured out how to move the recoil assembly on top of the barrel. Pretty interesting setup actually. I dont need a whole gun but I may grab an upper to play with once they start selling them separately. Oly Arms did a recoil spring assembly over the bolt so many years back. It worked but it was HEAVY. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 1:18:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BorderDave]
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Josiah, do you have any updates as to a release date for the JAKL?
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