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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:45:12 PM EDT
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Of course it added variables. But wouldn't it be smart to wait a day or two for the whirlwind of emotions to die down and see which way things were blowing before you start offering up sacrifices? btw, this is what we are up against. 
I couldnt' find one specific to full auto, but I bet it is brutal. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:45:58 PM EDT
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And here ya go ... In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- Insert typical MSM voiced reported here - "Mark, Mark, Mark .... can we get a statement?" I mean cahmon. The more I read the statement the more I feel that you are basically thumbing your nose saying that if my garden hose sprayed bullets it should be banned. I just want to hear you say that you were making a joke so I can continue to love you ....... In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:46:59 PM EDT
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On one side we have some mature individuals who realize what our current political process can require, on the other side some outraged "no compromise" believers who seem to think the NRA lobbyists will rubber stamp whatever the anti gunners come up with and even carry it around to get signatures on the floor. I wish they would stop being so divisive and just grow the fuck up like all the real NRA members. Some times you need to ban guns to save guns. 87D Chess, mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:49:22 PM EDT
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Exactly, every one defending bump fire is a petulant child. I wish they would stop being so divisive and just grow the fuck up like all the real NRA members. Some times you need to ban guns to save guns. 87D Chess, mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:52:35 PM EDT
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And? The NRA has never been absolutionist in regards to the 2nd Amendment. If they were, they would be irrelevant Most people aren't. Most gun owners aren't. The strength of the NRA is the perception that they represent all gun owners. if this is a quest for the perfect, we could give money to the Pratt Family Foundation. But it won't help our gun rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course they didn't directly. But you're the one that's oblivious if you don't think that the masses see their statement as endorsement for gun control. Most people aren't. Most gun owners aren't. The strength of the NRA is the perception that they represent all gun owners. if this is a quest for the perfect, we could give money to the Pratt Family Foundation. But it won't help our gun rights. And I never asked the NRA to be absolutists. I just never expected them to publicly state that they're ok with gun control. And it doesn't matter that what they said they're ok with is minor, because the masses didn't make that distinction. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:54:16 PM EDT
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Thank God we don't have people like you defending gun rights. I’d tell you to grow up, but clearly you already have. And it shows. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:56:56 PM EDT
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And here ya go ... In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:57:00 PM EDT
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Why do you keep implying that I support GOA? And I never asked the NRA to be absolutists. I just never expected them to publicly state that they're ok with gun control. And it doesn't matter that what they said they're ok with is minor, because the masses didn't make that distinction. The separation of Full Auto from ARs has been a talking point since 1990. This incident threatened all of that. The risk was massive. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:58:04 PM EDT
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I’d tell you to grow up, but clearly you already have. And it shows. But to go around and call them traitorous fudds back stabbing gun owners and deliberately creating gun laws to raise money, well, fuck those guys. and if you are one of them, fuck you too. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:59:08 PM EDT
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The NRA, regardless of their specific position lately, is still the largest and most powerful (well funded) PRO-GUN organization in this country.
If NRA members openly turn on and abandon the organization, I fear this will empower and embolden the Left far more than the bump-stock issue itself. That old quote about "...hanging together, or separately..." comes to mind now more than ever. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:59:55 PM EDT
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with all the turncoats of late i'm so very glad to hear you say the above, thank you 1.) Stay out of GD 2.) Discontinue flippant remarks. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:02:27 PM EDT
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Again, you can disagree with the NRA's actions. But to go around and call them traitorous fudds back stabbing gun owners and deliberately creating gun laws to raise money, well, fuck those guys. and if you are one of them, fuck you too. I understand where you’re coming from. Honestly I do. But the NRA needs to stop and think before they open their proverbial mouth. And in this case all signs point to they didn’t. Also, just got your email Mark. Stuff like that is why your barrel is going into my dream gun I’m building. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:02:58 PM EDT
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Note to self ... 1.) Stay out of GD 2.) Discontinue flippant remarks. 
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:05:20 PM EDT
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Of course it added variables. But wouldn't it be smart to wait a day or two for the whirlwind of emotions to die down and see which way things were blowing before you start offering up sacrifices? ...I don't like losing ANY of the hard-earned gains, but if a hurricane is blowing and you can't run for harbor you don't put up sails, you put out sea anchors.... ...JMO.... |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:06:01 PM EDT
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I don’t believe that conspiracy crap. However I believe the NRA needs new blood, needs to spend its money better (its spending habits are disgusting and are a primary driver of why people I know won’t join) and I think their statement was retarded. I understand where you’re coming from. Honestly I do. But the NRA needs to stop and think before they open their proverbial mouth. And in this case all signs point to they didn’t. Also, just got your email Mark. Stuff like that is why your barrel is going into my dream gun I’m building. We will see whether it was the right COA or not. I think I understand their angle and I agree with it. But I do know they know more about this than any of us. And it ain't just me. Take a moment a paruse this. ETA and I am out. Give Mark his forum back. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:07:14 PM EDT
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Thank God we don't have people like you defending gun rights. The slippery slope on regulating semi-auto rate of fire is there. Feinstein knows it is there. Gun grabbers are telling you exactly what they are hoping for. Full auto is full auto. Bump fire is not full auto. What is sounds like is irrelevant. There is no "full auto like" semi-auto. It is one or the other. Rate of fire restrictions leads to no semi-autos. But yes, continue to be condescending to those that realize that there is no compromise on this issue that is a win for the 2A. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:09:48 PM EDT
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they always have. The separation of Full Auto from ARs has been a talking point since 1990. This incident threatened all of that. The risk was massive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you keep implying that I support GOA? And I never asked the NRA to be absolutists. I just never expected them to publicly state that they're ok with gun control. And it doesn't matter that what they said they're ok with is minor, because the masses didn't make that distinction. The separation of Full Auto from ARs has been a talking point since 1990. This incident threatened all of that. The risk was massive. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:12:11 PM EDT
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Note to self ... 1.) Stay out of GD 2.) Discontinue flippant remarks. 
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:19:35 PM EDT
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I twisted nothing. You are stating the Feinstein can now claim the NRA is "backing" her legislation. I saw nothing of the sort. If you read the shit currently being leaked, it goes way beyond anything to do with a bumpstock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Twist things much?  You are stating the Feinstein can now claim the NRA is "backing" her legislation. I saw nothing of the sort. If you read the shit currently being leaked, it goes way beyond anything to do with a bumpstock. 
"In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world. In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities. To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence." |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:20:31 PM EDT
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they always have. The separation of Full Auto from ARs has been a talking point since 1990. This incident threatened all of that. The risk was massive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you keep implying that I support GOA? And I never asked the NRA to be absolutists. I just never expected them to publicly state that they're ok with gun control. And it doesn't matter that what they said they're ok with is minor, because the masses didn't make that distinction. The separation of Full Auto from ARs has been a talking point since 1990. This incident threatened all of that. The risk was massive. The other side has always been confused about full auto versus semi-auto. Their confusion was out of their own willful ignorance. But now, now the NRA says there is some grey area fully-semi-auto deceives/firearms. Thanks NRA, that really cleared things up. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:20:39 PM EDT
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Where are you getting “90% of gun owners believe full auto should be banned”? Because nearly every single gun owner I know who have ever talked to disagrees. The 2nd isn’t about your retarded bench shooting, hunting, bumpfire mag dumping etc. It was about killing corrupt governments. The NRA should have shut their god damn mouths. It was fucking stupid for them to comment on bump stocks just a couple days after the shooting, when we STILL don’t know the full story. Please do tell, all you “adults” what the NRA has actually done over the past 100 years for gun owners? Because all I’ve ever seen them do is ask for money and shit on the actual purpose of the 2nd. And there’s literally dozens of recorded quotes from their leadership proving just that. Which is why, like Mark and many others, I believe the NRA needs a massive change in leadership. Period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have no idea what is going to pass, if anything What I do know is that I want the NRA involved in every step of it if possible. Of the major gun bills, from 1934 to 1994, to FOPA (1968 they fucked up) the NRA made the follow on laws far less onerous than they would have been without the NRA. the NRA is not the SCOTS and it is not congress. They can not pass laws nor rule on their constitutionality. what they can do is speak for gun owners as an implicit threat against congressmen. 90% of gun owners think full auto should be banned. Again, you can ignore reality. but you cannot ignore the repercussions of ignoring reality. If you think the NRA fucked up by releasing their statement, fine. I disagree, but whatever. But if your argument is that they did it because they are all secret fudd gun banners who just want more money by generating fear, you are a fucktard who shouldn't be allowed on a tricycle without a helmet. Because nearly every single gun owner I know who have ever talked to disagrees. The 2nd isn’t about your retarded bench shooting, hunting, bumpfire mag dumping etc. It was about killing corrupt governments. The NRA should have shut their god damn mouths. It was fucking stupid for them to comment on bump stocks just a couple days after the shooting, when we STILL don’t know the full story. Please do tell, all you “adults” what the NRA has actually done over the past 100 years for gun owners? Because all I’ve ever seen them do is ask for money and shit on the actual purpose of the 2nd. And there’s literally dozens of recorded quotes from their leadership proving just that. Which is why, like Mark and many others, I believe the NRA needs a massive change in leadership. Period. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:24:44 PM EDT
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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations." The other side has always been confused about full auto versus semi-auto. Their confusion was out of their own willful ignorance. But now, now the NRA says there is some grey area fully-semi-auto deceives/firearms. Thanks NRA, that really cleared things up. No... |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Note to self ... 1.) Stay out of GD 2.) Discontinue flippant remarks. Anyone know if it's compatible with a bumpstock? 
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Posted: 10/11/2017 3:03:00 PM EDT
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Does a bumpfire stock allow a semi-automatic rifle to FUNCTION like fully-automatic rifles? No... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations." The other side has always been confused about full auto versus semi-auto. Their confusion was out of their own willful ignorance. But now, now the NRA says there is some grey area fully-semi-auto deceives/firearms. Thanks NRA, that really cleared things up. No... |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 3:41:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2017 4:47:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2017 5:06:19 PM EDT
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And here ya go ... In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA … I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding. I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper. I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward. Mark LaRue LaRue Tactical FOR EVERYONE COMMENTING ABOUT THE NRA. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NRA. THIS THREAD WAS TO GET MARK'S INPUT ON WHAT WAS SAID, NOTHING ELSE. I personally would like to see the thread locked now because the REAL QUESTION that originated this thread has been answered. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 8:21:13 PM EDT
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Mac can grow the fuck up for taking one quote from GD and posting it on Instagram with no context just to burn a company. That is ignorant. edit: we all know Mark rubs GD the wrong way. He enjoys it. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 8:23:40 PM EDT
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Three things I know: 1. I love me some LaRue Tactical. 2. Bump fire stocks are stupid. 3. I don’t want to give up one ounce of freedom to the anti-gunners. How do we rectify those last two in the wake of Las Vagas? No controversy there, right?  The bumpstock didnt kill anyone. The fruitcake using it did. In no way has the arguement changed. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:00:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:45:13 PM EDT
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Nobody no our side wants to ban anything. But if its a choice between bump stocks and a full blown AWB, I'll throw the hungry wolves a bone. It sucks. But its reality. And stomping your feet and having a tantrum doesn't make reality go away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Nobody no our side wants to ban anything. But if its a choice between bump stocks and a full blown AWB, I'll throw the hungry wolves a bone. It sucks. But its reality. And stomping your feet and having a tantrum doesn't make reality go away. Quoted:
There is a shitty bill going through congress now. Lets see where the NRA stands on it as written. If they support it, I'll be right there with you with pitch forks. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:50:47 PM EDT
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I think LaRue should make a pistol in 7.62x54r. I bet MAC will totally support this lol
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Posted: 10/13/2017 12:32:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2017 5:14:42 AM EDT
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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations." The other side has always been confused about full auto versus semi-auto. Their confusion was out of their own willful ignorance. But now, now the NRA says there is some grey area fully-semi-auto deceives/firearms. Thanks NRA, that really cleared things up. Does the bump-fire stock really "allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles", or has ATF already issued a ruling otherwise? Semantics, pure and simple. Using words to mislead or re-direct. The antis have already figured this out, why haven't YOU? Pavlovian response and an inability to think critically? |
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