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Posted: 8/29/2018 10:54:04 AM EDT
Ok I bought a Ruger American 223 when Gander was going out of bizz.
I would love to put a better stock and be able to use better mags? looks like it is set up for the 308 family, but would like to know if it would for for the 223? Thanks, Red |
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Yes, it is compatible with the barreled action but you will need to find a .223 AICS pattern magazine as we don't currently offer one. A quick google search will come up with several high quality options currently available in the market.
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I just got my ODG Hunter stock today and own a Ruger American Ranch in 300 Blackout. So far, mine will not feed using Ruger AICS .223 mags (3 different ones tried). The bolt does not make contact with the base of the cartridge. The bottom of the bolt lug will barely rub against the side of the cartridge about half way down. Also tried pushing up on the mag (only moves the mag up in the action a tiny bit), and still the bolt would not push the cartridge forward. Also tried a .223 round to see if its longer length would make a different, and it didn't. Note: On Aug 10, 2018 the Magpul Product Manager posted that Ruger mags would work. Since I already had the mags for my Ruger Precision, I ordered the Hunter stock when they became available.
In my first call to Magpul I was advised to file on the mag to see if I could get it higher in the action. No go, as the height of the mag in the action is determined by the position of the mag catch mechanism in the trigger guard and the "nub" on the rear of the mag that contacts the mag catch; the mag either clicks into place and is held or it doesn't. All that filing on the feed lips to hopefully let the cartridge ride a little higher did was ruin a magazine for holding cartridges in place (file, try, file, try until the width of the opening between the feed lips would no longer hold cartridges and the bolt would never properly contact the bottom of the cartridge to push it forward towards the chamber). Note: The mag catch "nub" on the back of the Ruger mags appears to be in the same place as the "nub" of the back of the .308 Magpul AICS pattern magazine. I also removed and reinstalled the stock and trigger guard X3, with no difference...all seems to fit together just fine. In my 2nd call to Magpul I was advised to buy a polymer mag from Accuracy International. I asked that my order number be annotated that I've called twice and want authorization to return the stock if another magazine does not work. I was advised by both reps to not alter the stock. The stock itself is very nice looking and feels great. To install or remove the rifle's bolt you either have to remove the check piece or get the bolt out most of the way and turn it clockwise quite a bit to try and rotate it out...you can't simply pull it straight out. Will post further when I have more info. UPDATE: I took a 2nd Ruger American Ranch installed it in the Magpul Hunter, and tested it. Same results with the bolt not picking up the round from the magazine. Update: Was told AI stopped making polymer .223 mags a few years ago due to them splitting. |
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I was advised to buy an Accuracy International made .223 magazine, polymer, about the same price as the Ruger magazines. Exactly which make and model of .223 magazine was tested with the Ruger American Hunter stock and functioned? It appears that Accuracy International branded .223 mags are no longer made (based upon my Internet search and finding out of stock, out of stock with dealers and not listed on the AI website). Can find polymer .223 AI STYLE mags made by other than Accuracy International.
Thanks for your help. |
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Some info from experimenting, searching and replies from others:
1) May 2, 2017 - Jimmy0861 posted that Ruger mags would not work in the Hunter stock. My fault, I did not remember this conversation or I would have brought it up since it conflicts with item #2 below. 2) Aug 10, 2018 - Jimmy0861 posted that Ruger AICS .223/5.56 magazines are correct for the Hunter American stock. Based upon that post, since the Ruger mags are readily available, reasonably priced, and I already have 3 of them, I decided to order the stock for my Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 300 Blackout when they become available. Oh, the Ruger AICS mags work perfect in my Ruger Precision 5.56 rifle. 3) Aug 29, 2018 my Hunter stock arrives, but all my Ruger mags are too low to feed (bolt doesn't touch the base of the cartridge), but do snap in place. Magpul tech support suggests "tolerance stacking", so I install the stock on another Ruger American with the same failure to feed in the same manner. Stock repeatedly removed and reinstalled with no improvement X3. Stock and trigger guard bolts installed to torque specs using a torque screwdriver. 4) Trying the Ruger mags without the Magpul trigger guard installed (holding them as far up into the stock as they will go), they are still too low to feed. Note: Even with the trigger guard installed, it's not like the trigger guard is holding the magazines low in the stock that you can overcome by putting hand pressure on the bottom of them in an attempt to hold them up further in the stock. 5) Trying the Ruger mags without the action in any stock (holding them against the bottom of the action...a bit awkward to do), they do feed with the bolt face making good contact with the bottom of the cartridge. 6) Magpul tech support suggested filing on a Ruger mag...that doesn't work. A flaw in filing is that no matter how much material is removed from the top of the mag, the Magpul mag catch will only hold the mag so far into the stock. Another flaw is that removing material from the feed lips to allow the cartridge to stick up further results in the the magazine not holding the cartridges in the mag (feed lips are too far apart). There's only a short distance between the feed lips holding the cartridges and the feed lip distance is too far apart to hold cartridges in the mag. 7) Magpul tech support (another person) says to buy an AI (Accuracy International made) polymer .223 magazine. I am unable to find any for sale and AI doesn't seem to list them anymore. I get a message that says AI discontinued them a few years ago due to the magazines having a tendency to split along the seam lines. Can find AI STYLE magazines made by other than AI, but hate to spend $ hoping something works. Waiting for a reply from Jimmy0861 as to what specific magazine brand and model will work. I want the stock to work for me as it looks and feels great. Magpul tech support (both people) said do not alter the stock or it can't be returned. Edited to add: Examination of the plastic and metal parts without taking the stock assembly apart showed no casting flaws or blobs of metal or plastic that would interfere with the rifle action being properly placed into the stock assembly. All surfaces looked nicely smooth. |
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Some info from experimenting, searching and replies from others: 1) May 2, 2017 - Jimmy0861 posted that Ruger mags would not work in the Hunter stock. My fault, I did not remember this conversation or I would have brought it up since it conflicts with item #2 below. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Some info from experimenting, searching and replies from others: 1) May 2, 2017 - Jimmy0861 posted that Ruger mags would not work in the Hunter stock. My fault, I did not remember this conversation or I would have brought it up since it conflicts with item #2 below. Quoted:
2) Aug 10, 2018 - Jimmy0861 posted that Ruger AICS .223/5.56 magazines are correct for the Hunter American stock. Based upon that post, since the Ruger mags are readily available, reasonably priced, and I already have 3 of them, I decided to order the stock for my Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 300 Blackout when they become available. Oh, the Ruger AICS mags work perfect in my Ruger Precision 5.56 rifle. Quoted:
Just so I understand this correctly.....this stock should work with my Ruger American Ranch in 5.56? I just need aics style mags in .223? If so, I already have some of the steel and plastic factory Ruger .223 mags for a Ruger scout rifle. They are labeled as aics for Ruger Precision rifle and scout rifle. Quoted: Yes, that is correct. Most .223 AICS manufacturers, such as MDT and Accurate Mag, have fitment and compatibility statements due to the different types of inserts and layouts used by each platform manufacturer. I understand this isn't ideal but it does require the end user to make adjustments to their magazines to ensure proper fitment and compatibility in their platform of choice. Please contact tech support if you have any additional questions. |
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Thank you for your reply. Stock is being returned for refund and inspection. If any manufacturing flaw is found upon inspection, Magpul will be calling me to offer a stock without flaw. If no flaw is found, it means it simply doesn't work with the mags and 2 American rifle actions tried, so a refund will be issued. Magpul is taking care of the situation. I did not request it, but also got an apology for telling me to buy a magazine that doesn't exist anymore. That was very nice of Mike in Tech Support.
In comparing the Hunter stock to the Ruger factory stock, especially in the bedding block areas, (as best I could determine, and I could be wrong) it appears the Hunter stock holds the action slightly higher than the factory stock does off of the mag well. While that doesn't matter in the case of .308 size rounds since they are bigger in height when in the mag, it does matter in the case of the smaller .223 size rounds. I even measured the bedding blocks and found a few thousands of an inch difference in the height of the middle portion. Rotating them 180 degrees and moving from front to back made no difference. I thought about lowering the bedding area to get the action closer to the mag well, but that would void the return of the stock assembly if that modification failed. |
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Any thoughts magpul? Are you telling me you don't have a magazine recommendation for this stock? What mag was used for testing? A bunch of .223/300bo owners have already bought this stock and are probably scratching their heads on which magazines to use,
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Any thoughts magpul? Are you telling me you don't have a magazine recommendation for this stock? What mag was used for testing? A bunch of .223/300bo owners have already bought this stock and are probably scratching their heads on which magazines to use, View Quote AI discontinued that particular magazine a few years ago due to the seams having a tendency to split when the mag was loaded, so it is no longer available for sale (I was told that when I asked why none can be found for sale or could be found on the web site). On the Magpul Facebook page, users have reported that MDT and Accurate brand AICS pattern .223 mags do not work, and, of course, I reported that Ruger AICS pattern .223 mags do not work. I have asked for any positive reviews from owners with .223/Blackout Ruger American Rifles and what mags they are using along with any modifications needed, but have heard nothing. I search everyday for such reviews or videos. I want the stock to work with my RARR 300 Blackout and have plans for the setup. I purchased extra Ruger AICS pattern .223/5.56 mags, a set of higher scope rings, and a new higher power scope for my Hunter American project. I ruined 1 of the Ruger mags filing on it per instructions of Daniel at Tech Support, trying to get rounds to be held higher so the bolt could pick them up. I made suggestions to Magpul in writing on stock fitment and testing of mags for the .223/Blackout cartridge size Ruger American Rifles, but have heard nothing. My son-in-law is even working on a 3D printed single shot adaptor for the Ruger .223 size AICS pattern magazine for my project (will also use it in my 5.56 Ruger Precision Rifle). I'd thought of a single shot adaptor that would hold the round up higher to be picked up by the bolt, but that wouldn't help the myriad of other .223/Blackout end users. I, like you and others, would love to know how to make it work without the end user having to go to absurd lengths to make it function. The stock feels and looks great to me...so much stiffer than the factory stock, and that flat wide forend looks like it would work so well off a bench rest. At first it looked a bit odd with the RARR's short 16" bbl, but when a suppressor was mounted, the overall length looked nice to me. I had ordered the ODG color. |
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Internal testing was performed with the Accuracy International .223 polymer 10rd. magazine, which is now discontinued but still sparsely available in the market. Magpul is aware of the general feeding issues with .223/5.56 or similarly sized cartridges in this platform from various aftermarket magazines, and evaluation of additional magazine recommendations are under review. As more samples are tested and evaluated in multiple platforms and calibers and compatibility is confirmed, we will communicate those recommendations.
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Internal testing was performed with the Accuracy International .223 polymer 10rd. magazine, which is now discontinued but still sparsely available in the market. Magpul is aware of the general feeding issues with .223/5.56 or similarly sized cartridges in this platform from various aftermarket magazines, and evaluation of additional magazine recommendations are under review. As more samples are tested and evaluated in multiple platforms and calibers and compatibility is confirmed, we will communicate those recommendations. View Quote |
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I have now tried a brand new AI .223 mag, and it does not feed well with Magpul American Hunter. Round tries to feed way to low to and won't chamber unless i run the bolt really slow and back off and try to feed it again. Now what magpul? I thought this was the mag you tested the rifle with?
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Bump. Magpul? Anyone? View Quote I'm in the same boat. Don't know what to do. I have one (out of 6) steel Ruger .223 mag that mostly works with .223. (don't have a 300 BO) Magpul seems to be inferring that they may have a Magpul .223 aics mag somewhere down the road. Right now I sit with a $300 paper weight that Magpul will only take back for store credit since I didn't buy it directly from them and Optics Planet probably won't take it back since it has been installed on a rifle. I guess, at this point, it is probably sell or put it in the corner to gather dust and hope that mags become available. |
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Quoted: Did you end up hearing anything? I'm in the same boat. Don't know what to do. I have one (out of 6) steel Ruger .223 mag that mostly works with .223. (don't have a 300 BO) Magpul seems to be inferring that they may have a Magpul .223 aics mag somewhere down the road. Right now I sit with a $300 paper weight that Magpul will only take back for store credit since I didn't buy it directly from them and Optics Planet probably won't take it back since it has been installed on a rifle. I guess, at this point, it is probably sell or put it in the corner to gather dust and hope that mags become available. View Quote |
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I am also interested in a solution to this problem as I would love a Hunter stocked 300blk RARR.
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I was able to get the Accuracy International magazine’s to work fairly well by taking the plastic bottom metal out of the stock and uniformly removing material from the surface that faces the bottom of the action.
Essentially moving in the magazine deeper into the action. I’m not crazy about the AI mag so I just had my dealer order one of the Ruger 223 mags. Hopefully this is the golden combination. |
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Hey Gents,
We are working diligently at developing a Magpul .223 AICS pattern magazine solution for this and other compatible platforms. We don't have a projected completion date due to the complexity of the program but every effort is being made to expedite the launch. |
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Hey Gents, We are working diligently at developing a Magpul .223 AICS pattern magazine solution for this and other compatible platforms. We don't have a projected completion date due to the complexity of the program but every effort is being made to expedite the launch. View Quote |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz6WasQhKss
Here's a YouTube video on the subject with a couple of thousand views. Some are able to get their's functioning; others are not successful even if using the same magazines (I was unsuccessful). I have 2 Ruger American Ranch Rifles in 300 Blackout. One was left as-is for a lightweight hunting rifle (have taken many deer, hogs, coyotes, and armadillos with it). One sits waiting for Magpul to work out the problems and then I will buy their stock again (Magpul refunded me when their stock wouldn't work with any mags tried and I sent it back unaltered). Loved the way it felt and looked. |
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Hey Gents, We are working diligently at developing a Magpul .223 AICS pattern magazine solution for this and other compatible platforms. We don't have a projected completion date due to the complexity of the program but every effort is being made to expedite the launch. View Quote |
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Hey Gents, We are working diligently at developing a Magpul .223 AICS pattern magazine solution for this and other compatible platforms. We don't have a projected completion date due to the complexity of the program but every effort is being made to expedite the launch. View Quote Now My ffl has the RARR in 556 that used pmags and he put it in the american hunter stock using AI ruger mags and it feeds reliably. |
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How well will this work with the 6.5 grendel version of the american rifle? From my understanding they are the same gun only chambered differently. Am i wrong? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey Gents, We are working diligently at developing a Magpul .223 AICS pattern magazine solution for this and other compatible platforms. We don't have a projected completion date due to the complexity of the program but every effort is being made to expedite the launch. I suspect that a plastic .223 AICS mag will have feedlips that will keep a 6.5 round too low in the mag and the bolt will slide right by it, plastic feedlips can't be bent to allow the 6.5 to sit higher. I have emailed Magpul about the possibility of AICS mags in 6.5 Grendel/7.62X39 for the Ruger American Predator/Ranch rifles so they can be used in the Magpul Hunter stock and this is the reply I got; "Thank you for contacting us. Sorry at this time there are no plans to produce an AICS pattern mag for 6.5 Grendel/7.62x39." So when they say the Magpul Hunter stock will fit all Ruger American rifles, they are technically correct, it will fit you just can't shoot it for lack of mags to support their stock. |
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Nosler180,
Thank you for your efforts and post. At this time, I'll abandon my thoughts about using the stock on my Ruger Grendel RAP. |
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Nosler180, Thank you for your efforts and post. At this time, I'll abandon my thoughts about using the stock on my Ruger Grendel RAP. View Quote If Magpul would make a mag or even do like Ruger and make an insert to use AR15 mags then the stock truly would be for all Ruger American rifles. |
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I know this is an older thread, but is this issue with the rotary magazine Ruger American Ranch rifles? Will the Hunter stock work with the RAR rifle that takes Pmags and other AR type mags?
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This is disheartening. I’m sitting with a Ruger American Ranch in 223 and $200+ for a Magpul Hunter stock. It would be nice if they made a Hunter that took the bottom metal / mag well of the Ranch rifle.
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Glad I found this thread. Was going to buy this stock for my american ranch I just bought.
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I really wish I had saw this thread before as I ended up buying a 223 RAP and put it in a Magpul stock. I picked up the Ruger AI pattern mag and the bolt just slides right over the top.
Based on a YouTube video, I trimmed down the end of the magazine and now it works with some reliability, but still isn't great. It should do for now though. I thought about picking up the MDT magazine or the metal AI one, but from the research I've done they seem to be as bad or worse than the Ruger magazine. The good news (I guess), is that I contacted Magpul about it and the response I got is that they know about the issue and they are working on developing their own AI 223 magazine. The sucky part is that they didn't have an ETA, so I would assume that it's still going to be a good while before it's available. The disappointing part to me in all of this, is that it seems that Magpul has known of this issue for a while, but before I bought everything, I emailed them to see what magazine I would need (at that time I wasn't sure if it would take the AR magazine that the 223 RAP comes with) and was told that while it wouldn't work with the AR magazine, I could just get an AI pattern magazine and I'd be good. Anyways, if anybody out there happens to have the polymer AI magazine from Accuracy International that does work with the Magpul stock, and would like to get rid of it, let me know. |
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So after doing even more research, I did decide on picking up a couple of the MDT polymer mags. The reason being that the modified Ruger one was still really a PITA and it appeared that a modified MDT mag would work better.
Well, the mags arrived yesterday, and much to my surprise they work straight out of the box, no modifications necessary. FWIW, I picked up the mags from OpticsPlanet, but they were listed as AB Arms (they have a separate listing for MDT), however when they arrived, they actually are the MDT mags. Hopefully this helps somebody in the same situation. |
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So after doing even more research, I did decide on picking up a couple of the MDT polymer mags. The reason being that the modified Ruger one was still really a PITA and it appeared that a modified MDT mag would work better. Well, the mags arrived yesterday, and much to my surprise they work straight out of the box, no modifications necessary. FWIW, I picked up the mags from OpticsPlanet, but they were listed as AB Arms (they have a separate listing for MDT), however when they arrived, they actually are the MDT mags. Hopefully this helps somebody in the same situation. View Quote |
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Quoted: You got them to work with the Ruger American 223? If so can you give us a Part number? thanks Mike View Quote https://www.opticsplanet.com/american-built-arms-company-ai-spec-magazine.html I contacted MDT about it, and they said that they are exactly the same as the ones sold as MDT, so you might be good with either. I say "might" because he also said it was kind of luck of the draw; that their experience is that some RAPs work just fine and some are a little off. He made reference to Ruger's tolerances being just a little loose for the issue. My other suspicion is that possibly there are a few variations of the RAP in .223. Mine is a brand new one that comes stock with the AR style mag. Possibly the bolt is just slightly different than the previous model that didn't come with the AR mag? I'm not sure, but thought it could be a possibility. I hope that this helps. If anything it's worth buying and seeing if they feed; if not, send them back. |
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Yup. Here's a link to the mags I bought. https://www.opticsplanet.com/american-built-arms-company-ai-spec-magazine.html I contacted MDT about it, and they said that they are exactly the same as the ones sold as MDT, so you might be good with either. I say "might" because he also said it was kind of luck of the draw; that their experience is that some RAPs work just fine and some are a little off. He made reference to Ruger's tolerances being just a little loose for the issue. My other suspicion is that possibly there are a few variations of the RAP in .223. Mine is a brand new one that comes stock with the AR style mag. Possibly the bolt is just slightly different than the previous model that didn't come with the AR mag? I'm not sure, but thought it could be a possibility. I hope that this helps. If anything it's worth buying and seeing if they feed; if not, send them back. View Quote |
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Got the new magazine from Optics Planet today for my Ruger American 223 with the Magpul Hunter stock' It would not work period. So here is a loop I am throwing out here. Just for the heck of it I removed the two steel pillar blocks from the stock dropped the action back in and snugged it up. Put in the mag well then tried the new magazine again it worked perfect this time so now were do we all go from here? I am taking my rifle to the range Sunday to test it out. I cycled 10 rounds it never missed a beat shocked.
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Got the new magazine from Optics Planet today for my Ruger American 223 with the Magpul Hunter stock' It would not work period. So here is a loop I am throwing out here. Just for the heck of it I removed the two steel pillar blocks from the stock dropped the action back in and snugged it up. Put in the mag well then tried the new magazine again it worked perfect this time so now were do we all go from here? I am taking my rifle to the range Sunday to test it out. I cycled 10 rounds it never missed a beat shocked. View Quote |
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I did this same thing. Mine works 100% 300BLK version.
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Got the new magazine from Optics Planet today for my Ruger American 223 with the Magpul Hunter stock' It would not work period. So here is a loop I am throwing out here. Just for the heck of it I removed the two steel pillar blocks from the stock dropped the action back in and snugged it up. Put in the mag well then tried the new magazine again it worked perfect this time so now were do we all go from here? I am taking my rifle to the range Sunday to test it out. I cycled 10 rounds it never missed a beat shocked. View Quote |
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