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Posted: 6/13/2009 5:16:07 AM EDT
So is the Massada going to be made?
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. For law enforcement and military use only. O and high paying Hollywood reps can get a prototype to use as a prop. ETA: Prove me wrong, I dare you. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Someone from Remington MPD told me the Bushmaster version won't be called the ACR, do you know if that's correct? |
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Shoot by the time it actually comes out I might actually be able to afford it....
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. For law enforcement and military use only. O and high paying Hollywood reps can get a prototype to use as a prop. ETA: Prove me wrong, I dare you. You never stop... |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now.
ETA In turn, Remington acquired Dakota Arms, Harrington & Richardson (H&R) and New England Firearms (NEF). I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now. I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. Then what's this? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg Had not seen that. Linky to actual web page? |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now. I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. Then what's this? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg Had not seen that. Linky? Most important part of that pic. The little "www.remingtonmilitary.com" at the bottom |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now. I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. Then what's this? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg Had not seen that. Linky? Most important part of that pic. The little "www.remingtonmilitary.com" at the bottom Yeah, except I looked there already, and there ACR is not there. M24, MSR, 870, that's about it. I can mock up a web page too. Not saying that's what this is, but where's the beef? I see nada on the ACR on www.remingtonmilitary.com. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. For law enforcement and military use only. O and high paying Hollywood reps can get a prototype to use as a prop. ETA: Prove me wrong, I dare you. You never stop... <Admin Removed - This is not GD, watch your language and attitude> I want an ACR as much as anyone. But what good does it do to bash Magpul in every ACR thread? I really think it's out of their hands now. You can be pissed that they sold it to Bushmaster but that's over with and there's nothing anyone can do about it. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. For law enforcement and military use only. O and high paying Hollywood reps can get a prototype to use as a prop. ETA: Prove me wrong, I dare you. You never stop... Seriously, his anti-Magpul and anti-Colt shit gets annoying. |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now. I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. Then what's this? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg Had not seen that. Linky? Most important part of that pic. The little "www.remingtonmilitary.com" at the bottom Yeah, except I looked there already, and there ACR is not there. M24, MSR, 870, that's about it. I can mock up a web page too. Not saying that's what this is, but where's the beef? I see nada on the ACR on www.remingtonmilitary.com. I guess it's a flyer that someone had. I'm just happy to see some recent pics. Have you seen this one? |
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Guys I am sorry I brought this up I have been out of the loop for awhile on this my apology. I cant believe this weapon isnt for sale on the civie market
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So is the Massada going to be made? At this point it does not look like we will see a civilian version anytime soon. (if ever) If the internet rumors are true Bushmaster / Remington's main interest is trying to sell the ACR to the Military. It could be years before we see a civilian version. |
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Drake posted in another forum that Remington was going for the military sales, while Bushmaster was going for the civilian market. If that is true, then it is up to Bushmaster to see if it will be LE only, or if it creeps into the civilian market. Since Bushmaster is so into the AR market, it is going to take quite an effort to get them invested in a rifle they may perceive as such a 'niche market.' If Remington manages to get the military contract, however, that will go a LONG way to building the popularity of the ACR among civilians.
It really sucks, but I suggest patience, and if your senator or congressman is on any of the military-related comittees, or if you know anyone else with any kind of military pull, see if you can get them involved. Like it or not, these military contracts often have a political element to them. Might as well try to get that used on our behalf, right? Especially since (being in here) we all believe in the ACR's military applications as well? Ok, I am getting off my soapbox now. I just hope that, when it comes out, Bushmaster goes subtle, and that silly snake is not on the receiver. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Here is a question, Rich. Who got to walk with those Masada and Gen 1 ACR prototypes? A couple of you have them stashed in your safes at home? |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Here is a question, Rich. Who got to walk with those Masada and Gen 1 ACR prototypes? A couple of you have them stashed in your safes at home? Of the original 7 Masada prototypes I think only three remain as complete guns (including Serial#1) and all of those are in the Magpul Armory. The Gen 2 guns that were first labled ACRs were all used as test mules for the current Gen 3 and 4 ACRs being shown by Remington/Bushmaster. All versions of the Massouds also remain in the Magpul Armory unless they are checked out for testing. So in short my safe at home has no ACRs, Masadas or Massouds in it. We are all waiting like everybody else. |
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They would have been built as NFA weapons being full-auto so someone just up and keeping them at the house might not be a good idea! Presuming they were built under the Magpul name they could only be possessed by specific people (employees) as listed as part of the company, just like how folks do NFA trusts and LLC's and such. If for whatever reason the company is sold or closes its doors then those particular assets have to be transferred to another company or Class III as a post May 86 NFA firearm. Simply put, without the nitty gritty details.
Anyways, my prediction is that this will be the big story at the Shot Show next year and they will be all over the place there. The post-election frenzy (can it even still be called that after so long?) is dieing down slowly but surely. Distributors are showing stuff in-stock again. Hell, even PMags are back in-stock most places (so you chuckleheads that paid $30+ each for them because they were getting banned, don't you feel stupid?! And the folks that were selling them at those prices, yeah, I imagine everyone remembers who you are.) I'd like to see the original polymer handguard for the ACR though. I'm not a rail guy in that I believe they exist for purposes other than a place for putting rail covers. A little detachable rail for a light maybe, just like it was originally and I'd be content. |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Here is a question, Rich. Who got to walk with those Masada and Gen 1 ACR prototypes? A couple of you have them stashed in your safes at home? Of the original 7 Masada prototypes I think only three remain as complete guns (including Serial#1) and all of those are in the Magpul Armory. The Gen 2 guns that were first labled ACRs were all used as test mules for the current Gen 3 and 4 ACRs being shown by Remington/Bushmaster. All versions of the Massouds also remain in the Magpul Armory unless they are checked out for testing. So in short my safe at home has no ACRs, Masadas or Massouds in it. We are all waiting like everybody else. No offense, Rich, but that sucks just a little. What is the fun in being the boss if you can't have SN #1 sitting in your collection? Here is another question, this time for Travis and Chris. Are you guys planning to go to the ACR if it becomes available? |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Here is a question, Rich. Who got to walk with those Masada and Gen 1 ACR prototypes? A couple of you have them stashed in your safes at home? Of the original 7 Masada prototypes I think only three remain as complete guns (including Serial#1) and all of those are in the Magpul Armory. The Gen 2 guns that were first labled ACRs were all used as test mules for the current Gen 3 and 4 ACRs being shown by Remington/Bushmaster. All versions of the Massouds also remain in the Magpul Armory unless they are checked out for testing. So in short my safe at home has no ACRs, Masadas or Massouds in it. We are all waiting like everybody else. No offense, Rich, but that sucks just a little. What is the fun in being the boss if you can't have SN #1 sitting in your collection? Here is another question, this time for Travis and Chris. Are you guys planning to go to the ACR if it becomes available? that would really limit their classes since most people wont have them even when they are available |
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So is the Massada going to be made? Bushmaster/Remington licensed the design and it will be produced under the name ACR. Here is a question, Rich. Who got to walk with those Masada and Gen 1 ACR prototypes? A couple of you have them stashed in your safes at home? Of the original 7 Masada prototypes I think only three remain as complete guns (including Serial#1) and all of those are in the Magpul Armory. The Gen 2 guns that were first labled ACRs were all used as test mules for the current Gen 3 and 4 ACRs being shown by Remington/Bushmaster. All versions of the Massouds also remain in the Magpul Armory unless they are checked out for testing. So in short my safe at home has no ACRs, Masadas or Massouds in it. We are all waiting like everybody else. No offense, Rich, but that sucks just a little. What is the fun in being the boss if you can't have SN #1 sitting in your collection? Here is another question, this time for Travis and Chris. Are you guys planning to go to the ACR if it becomes available? that would really limit their classes since most people wont have them even when they are available I don't think they make everyone in class use an AR, do they? I don't think they would turn away anyone with a Sig 556 or an XCR. I was not asking them to design an ACR only class (after all, it would be nearly exactly like the AR), just wondering if they would run it themselves. |
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It became vaporware when Cerberus bought the rights. Cerberus owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington now. I believe they are going to sit on it until it goes away, for reasons known only to themselves. Then what's this? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg You don't understand the definition of vaporware. Here is what it means. Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released.[1] The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility.
Just replace software with hardware. They can show the product all they want, but until it's in full production, it is classified as vaporware now. |
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Without a request for a new rifle coming from our military, Remington won't sell too many except to other countries outside the US or Spec Ops as a COTS item. No profit unless a big government order is procured. If this is correct, they are going about it ass backwards. Release it too civilians, let them identify any bugs, fix the bugs, then pitch it to the military. Defense budget cuts and slowing down of combat actions makes the prospect for the purchase of an M4/M16 replacement in the near future precarious at best..
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Without a request for a new rifle coming from our military, Remington won't sell too many except to other countries outside the US or Spec Ops as a COTS item. No profit unless a big government order is procured. If this is correct, they are going about it ass backwards. Release it too civilians, let them identify any bugs, fix the bugs, then pitch it to the military. Defense budget cuts and slowing down of combat actions makes the prospect for the purchase of an M4/M16 replacement in the near future precarious at best.. You forget this was designed by Magpul. One of the defining characteristics of Magpul is to get it right before it gets out the door. There is a reason why it takes a long time to get something from Magpul. They do a LOT of in house testing before they release it for production. That is why the ACR is on generation 4 before it ever managed to get into large scale production. Whether it be the tweaking of the gas block, changing the charging handle (multiple times), or ditching the integral folding front sight, the ACR is not the Masada we saw a couple years ago. Also, the military put out a Request For Information for a new carbine system. It has been kind of a big deal in here over the last few months. It is the best chance Remington/Bushmaster/Magpul have of getting the ACR adopted. The military is considering replacing the M16/M4 platform. And this is also a good thing for the ACR, since it looks like without military approval of some sort, the ACR will be nothing more than a niche product, like the XCR, Sig 556, FN FS 2000, or the SCAR. Nice firearms, but only have a very small fraction of the market. Although, I will grant you that, since Remington is handling the military portion of the ACR, it should leave Bushmaster clear to develop civilian sales. And perhaps they will. Unfortunately, Bushmaster is selling ARs like hotcakes, and until the market gets a bit more saturated, there is no need for 'the lastest and greatest.' I suspect Bushmaster is trying to have its cake and eat it, getting all the ARs out the door until sales slow down, then ramp up production on the ACR. |
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It's a good thing Magpul has a thick skin.
With the amount of bitching one hears in this forum, you'd think this was a room full of menopausal women at full moon without chocolate or prozac. Geez. |
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Did you have a nice stay at the West Palm Beach Marriott...???
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Did you have a nice stay at the West Palm Beach Marriott...??? Yes, I did indeed. Were you there too? |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach What's your point? |
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Did you have a nice stay at the West Palm Beach Marriott...??? Yes, I did indeed. Were you there too? Oh yes... The breakfast buffet was quite good too.. |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach This is even funnier because the Larue mount is backwards. |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach This is even funnier because the Larue mount is backwards. Actually, the SPR 1.5 can be mounted in either direction. I'm willing to bet the mount is on that way so the levers don't interfere with the charging handle. |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach What's your point? Uuhh, I needed a point?? OK, I'll try. Thought it was an OK pic of a firearm similar to what is being discussed. No? How about this: With all the handwringing over when the Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington Masada/ACR is going to be available, it appears to this casual observer (not interested in either one) that the thing is already available under the FNH logo (not interested in one of those either). Gunbroker.com has a handfull of them listed so apparently they're out there. I'm sure someone will correct me and tell me they're just not the same. Again, "casual observer". Don't care. |
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It's a good thing Magpul has a thick skin. With the amount of bitching one hears in this forum, you'd think this was a room full of menopausal women at full moon without chocolate or prozac. Geez. +1,000,000 to this .... Can we put all thes whiners on a list and make sure that I get my ACR before them??? |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach What's your point? Uuhh, I needed a point?? OK, I'll try. Thought it was an OK pic of a firearm similar to what is being discussed. No? How about this: With all the handwringing over when the Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington Masada/ACR is going to be available, it appears to this casual observer (not interested in either one) that the thing is already available under the FNH logo (not interested in one of those either). Gunbroker.com has a handfull of them listed so apparently they're out there. I'm sure someone will correct me and tell me they're just not the same. Again, "casual observer". Don't care. But you care enough to post? |
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Sorry, couldn't resist adding this to the conversation: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/IALEFI%20ATC%202009/C-RangeDay235.jpg FN SCAR a couple of weeks ago in W Palm Beach What's your point? Uuhh, I needed a point?? OK, I'll try. Thought it was an OK pic of a firearm similar to what is being discussed. No? How about this: With all the handwringing over when the Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington Masada/ACR is going to be available, it appears to this casual observer (not interested in either one) that the thing is already available under the FNH logo (not interested in one of those either). Gunbroker.com has a handfull of them listed so apparently they're out there. I'm sure someone will correct me and tell me they're just not the same. Again, "casual observer". Don't care. Yes the SCAR is just now available. How long was it in R&D? People act like it was announced and released for sale the same day. |
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