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Originally Posted By billyhill: Do you eat leaves from kohlrabi, broccoli or cauliflower? View Quote I sprout broccoli and cauliflower but haven't grown them to maturity in forever due to having a hard time with pests. Haven't tried kohlrabi in any fashion, but its on the "to try" list. Have you? Recommended? I do use carrot tops in salads along with young turnip greens and garlic stalks. |
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My garden is coming to an end. I have some tomatoes and peppers to still pick. I have managed to come up with a bunch of vintage jars to finish things off with.
I’m going to add a bunch of raised beds next year, been making compost and gathering for them all year. Most all my current garden has been outdoor hydroponic for many years now with a few in ground. The hydro has served me very very well. Always produce a bunch of really good tasty produce. More then I can keep up with. I’m also going to start rotating my main crops every year. I’m currently producing 2+ years worth of my main stuff. So I’m going to add more variety and change up my main crops each year. It will make preserving and growing a lot easier IMO |
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Our first frost was a couple of days ago so I'm pulling out the tomato,squash and cucumber plants that were left and adding compost to each bed before covering with straw.
Still have half a dozen cabbage's that are loving the cool weather and heading up. |
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Originally Posted By kallnojoy: I sprout broccoli and cauliflower but haven't grown them to maturity in forever due to having a hard time with pests. Haven't tried kohlrabi in any fashion, but its on the "to try" list. Have you? Recommended? I do use carrot tops in salads along with young turnip greens and garlic stalks. View Quote Yep, best while young. A little bitter, would go good in a salad or sautéed. All ways in the back of the mind in case you have to step up food production. Good chicken feed as well |
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One of the things I love most about gardening is squash and cucumbers.
But I failed at squash so many years in a row (vine borers) that I gave up. And I haven't found a cucumber that tastes good to me (as compared to the old straight 8 variety my folks used to grow) that is also resistant to Downy. Do y'all have thoughts? I spend all my time on lawn and landscape and don't have much chance to educate myself about veggies nowadays. I just know that nothing tastes like the gardens my grandparents and parents grew. And I'm learning that those are about the varieties, and those varieties aren't viable now. Open to any advice from experienced gardeners about these issues, as I look toward spring. Unless something changes, we're all gonna need a garden this coming year. |
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Here's a good article from Cornell about controlling downy mildew. Depending on how green you are, you can either use fungicides or experiment with mildew resistant plant varieties, usually hybrids. Hybrids can be useful for avoiding diseases, but you probably aren't going to get the flavor of a straight-8.
Downy Mildew I don't use chemicals on my produce gardens other than a very light application of permethrin to seedlings if the seedlings are being eaten by ants/insects. Once they seedlings have gotten a bit bigger they aren't as susceptible to small insect predation. Permethrin can help protect plants from vine borers, but vine borers will likely win out even if you use permethrin. Permethrin, by the way, is a synthesized clone of an insecticide that occurs naturally in Chrysanthemums. Permethrin My evolving approach to gardening is to make the soil as healthy as possible in the hope that strong plants can win the battle over disease and pests. To achieve that goal I do a lot of work AFTER gardening season. I start by removing as much plant material as possible - put it on the winter burn pile. Then I mulch like hell. Hay, mowed leaves, grass clippings, etc. The mulch breaks down over the winter and spring, adding nutrients to the soil. What mulch is left over in spring prevents weeds from getting a head start. And finally, I do no-till planting so as to disturb the soil as little as possible. I want all those worms in their tunnels and beneficial microbes to be comfy down there doing their soil thing. |
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Originally Posted By JCoop: Here's a good article from Cornell about controlling downy mildew. Depending on how green you are, you can either use fungicides or experiment with mildew resistant plant varieties, usually hybrids. Hybrids can be useful for avoiding diseases, but you probably aren't going to get the flavor of a straight-8. Downy Mildew I don't use chemicals on my produce gardens other than a very light application of permethrin to seedlings if the seedlings are being eaten by ants/insects. Once they seedlings have gotten a bit bigger they aren't as susceptible to small insect predation. Permethrin can help protect plants from vine borers, but vine borers will likely win out even if you use permethrin. Permethrin, by the way, is a synthesized clone of an insecticide that occurs naturally in Chrysanthemums. Permethrin My evolving approach to gardening is to make the soil as healthy as possible in the hope that strong plants can win the battle over disease and pests. To achieve that goal I do a lot of work AFTER gardening season. I start by removing as much plant material as possible - put it on the winter burn pile. Then I mulch like hell. Hay, mowed leaves, grass clippings, etc. The mulch breaks down over the winter and spring, adding nutrients to the soil. What mulch is left over in spring prevents weeds from getting a head start. And finally, I do no-till planting so as to disturb the soil as little as possible. I want all those worms in their tunnels and beneficial microbes to be comfy down there doing their soil thing. View Quote I also practice no-til, and use a square-foot gardening "sort of" method. I garden in small squares I can reach across, basically. I do not row garden. So I mulch heavily also. Last time I tried Straight-8s, they all were lost to Downy before the fruit formed. That's what finally discouraged me enough to stop with the cucumbers. No other variety I've tried tastes as good (I mean the resistant hybrids). I will definitely look at the Cornell article and see if there is something in there I haven't tried. I try not to use insecticides in the eating garden, also. Agreed that permethrin is one of the more gentle ones. I even tried sevin dust on the bases of the vines for a while...I failed because diligence with the dust (or any topical that is not meant to be systemic) requires more product applied than if you use a systemic, and after a while, the sheer volume of pesticide I was applying to my food garden seemed unsustainable in a lot of ways. (Not that I think pesticides aren't on/in what I buy from the store.). Anyway, I grew up veggie gardening, and had pretty good luck the first 20 years of life on my own. Then...something shifted. I am, to this day, not sure what. And I'm supposed to know how to grow stuff, yaknow? |
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I'm scrolling back through this thread
It was a nice hot, productive, fun summer Now it's cold....I hate to be cold But I still have spinach, collards and a late crop of Bok Choy We are planning on harvesting and freezing collards tomorrow if it warms up a bit |
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Some of the bok choy and arugala from last season went to seed and was turned under. Went out to the garden spot and picked a walmart bag full of greens. A pleasant surprise.
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We still have 5 heads of cabbage in the garden and with the temps dropping into the teens last night and forecast to be cold all week I covered them last night.
I used large flower pots turned upside down over them and draped a frost blanket over that. It's been nice having fresh cabbage once a week or so and we're going to miss it after we use the last one. |
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We had fresh collards from the garden on New Years
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Seed potatoes are ordered. I have got most of the seeds I need acquire. May try to till on Saturday. I am a little excited.
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Originally Posted By billyhill: Seed potatoes are ordered. I have got most of the seeds I need acquire. May try to till on Saturday. I am a little excited. View Quote I am excited as well. This winter we built 2 4x8 beds and the wife requested a 4x4 bed of herbs so I have to build that today. I started garlic outside and 72 misc vegetable seeds and about 50 carrots and onions inside. We are trying Cherokee Red tomatoes this year and going heavy on cucumbers and peas. |
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I've got all of my seeds I think
This year I'm going to plant mostly nursery plants, tomatoes, squash, cukes and I'm not wasting precious space on potatoes I'm starting to think about the layout too I'm looking forward to summer and fresh green beans |
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Got all my seeds, just waiting for the seed potatoes to show up in the mail. Gonna start my peppers this weekend and the tomatoes in a month.
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Gonna try my hand at container gardening this year. Found some 10 gallon bags on amazon made for this. Planning on tomatoes for sure, can’t decide what else.
I have a raised bed in my yard that gets plenty of sunlight, but doesn’t drain well. Any suggestions on what vegetables like moist soil? Still have a lot to learn about growing things. |
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Seed potatoes came in...
4 inches of rain this week. Hopefully a dry forecast this week holds and we can get them into the ground next weekend. |
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Originally Posted By billyhill: Seed potatoes came in... 4 inches of rain this week. Hopefully a dry forecast this week holds and we can get them into the ground next weekend. View Quote My potato experiment last year was a total failure, so from now on I'm buying potatoes at the grocery store AND they take up a lot of room |
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Originally Posted By Logan45: Gonna try my hand at container gardening this year. Found some 10 gallon bags on amazon made for this. Planning on tomatoes for sure, can't decide what else. I have a raised bed in my yard that gets plenty of sunlight, but doesn't drain well. Any suggestions on what vegetables like moist soil? Still have a lot to learn about growing things. View Quote Mintbut only in a container/raised bed as it will take over your garden otherwise. Can you describe your raised bed? Such as an elevated planter that looks like a box on stilts vs a traditional raised bed whose base is the ground? What is the soil make-up of your raised bed? Grow bags work fineI think better than solid containers like buckets as the roots air prune and don't get all bound up. But, the soil will dry out fairly quickly and there also a potential issue with nutrient wash-out as the bags are so porous. |
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I've barely starting thinking about starting seeds.
I still have snow on the ground... |
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Originally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: I've barely starting thinking about starting seeds. I still have snow on the ground... View Quote I've already started onion and snapdragon seeds. In a couple of weeks, I'll start stratifying some seeds and planting others. All depends on the seed as when to start. |
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I have struggled to get going. My physical conditioning has gone to crap. Should have started weeks ago but today I finally got up and went.
After some misadventures, it has begun. Attached File . |
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Originally Posted By billyhill: I have struggled to get going. My physical conditioning has gone to crap. Should have started weeks ago but today I finally got up and went. After some misadventures, it has begun. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105091/Screenshot_20220305-121556_Gallery_jpg-2302368.JPG. View Quote Looks good I've been thinking about breaking out the tiller too |
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Got both gardens harrowed and pretty much ready. Will till sometime around the end of March and plant early April.
Already planted nine more blueberry bushes, 3 peach trees, and 3 elderberry. |
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Originally Posted By SmokeEater2: We still have 5 heads of cabbage in the garden and with the temps dropping into the teens last night and forecast to be cold all week I covered them last night. I used large flower pots turned upside down over them and draped a frost blanket over that. It's been nice having fresh cabbage once a week or so and we're going to miss it after we use the last one. View Quote Almost time for more! |
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Originally Posted By Waldo0506: I am excited as well. This winter we built 2 4x8 beds and the wife requested a 4x4 bed of herbs so I have to build that today. I started garlic outside and 72 misc vegetable seeds and about 50 carrots and onions inside. We are trying Cherokee Red tomatoes this year and going heavy on cucumbers and peas. View Quote What cucumbers are you planting? I have not found a cucumber I like as well as the old fashioned Straight 8 variety, but they are horrible Downey magnets. So I won't do that again. |
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Got about 12lb of seed potatoes to get out today, rain starts tomorrow. Going to try and get carrots, radishes, parsley, cilantro, and arugula in the ground as well. Rain starts tomorrow. Can you tell all the rain is stressing me out?
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I really kick myself to not putting in turnips or some kind of cover crop that I could have worked back into the ground.
Attached File It's been pretty wet in my part of the country, so I scratched the ground up with the M and the cultivator to let everything breath on Friday. Attached File Yesterday I turned the ground over with the 5055 and the conditions were about perfect. Attached File We got a decent shower last night, so once it dries up a bit I should have a fresh crop of rocks shining like a diamond on a goats behind. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: What cucumbers are you planting? I have not found a cucumber I like as well as the old fashioned Straight 8 variety, but they are horrible Downey magnets. So I won't do that again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By Waldo0506: I am excited as well. This winter we built 2 4x8 beds and the wife requested a 4x4 bed of herbs so I have to build that today. I started garlic outside and 72 misc vegetable seeds and about 50 carrots and onions inside. We are trying Cherokee Red tomatoes this year and going heavy on cucumbers and peas. What cucumbers are you planting? I have not found a cucumber I like as well as the old fashioned Straight 8 variety, but they are horrible Downey magnets. So I won't do that again. |
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Originally Posted By Buckshot4U: I really kick myself to not putting in turnips or some kind of cover crop that I could have worked back into the ground. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243487/1_jpg-2304549.JPG View Quote Me too, I ran out of gas at the end of last season. 70 ft of potatoes in the ground yesterday and some more ground broken. Nothing else |
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Originally Posted By billyhill: Me too, I ran out of gas at the end of last season. 70 ft of potatoes in the ground yesterday and some more ground broken. Nothing else View Quote Yep, this was my first year with my "new" garden and my results were poor. Every day I drive by my old garden and the new owner put in turnips that did great and I wish I had all that new organic material. Oh well. |
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Turned over 4 of the 6 raised beds after cleaning WAY too much crap out of them.
We sorta walked away from them last year Mowed then tilled big garden yesterday evening while one of my sons LIGHTLY fertilized our smaller pasture. Hoping to get potatoes in next week. |
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In the category of new garden toys, my wife graciously gifted me a hiller-furrower attachment for my tiller. Pretty sweet.
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Bought a six pack of broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage. I'll stick it in the ground tomorrow before I go to the doctor. Still need to get some seeds in the ground, if it is dry enough.
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Originally Posted By MunsonMD: Some vegetables like asparagus, celery, cauliflower don't mind porr draining soil. Mintbut only in a container/raised bed as it will take over your garden otherwise. Can you describe your raised bed? Such as an elevated planter that looks like a box on stilts vs a traditional raised bed whose base is the ground? What is the soil make-up of your raised bed? Grow bags work fineI think better than solid containers like buckets as the roots air prune and don't get all bound up. But, the soil will dry out fairly quickly and there also a potential issue with nutrient wash-out as the bags are so porous. View Quote Here's what the garden looks like today. Roughly 4'x8', two layers of 4 inch ground timbers. As you can see its kind of sunk down in the dirt. Attached File Not really sure what the soil makeup is. From what I remember when I started it, I tilled the soil in it, then added compost, potting mix, and a few other bags of stuff I found at one of the big box stores. Haven't added much since. Today I dug and pulled up the woody stems from last years weeds. There hasn't been anything planted in here since 2019 and I kinda let it go. My plan is to get the weeds and grass out without tilling, add some compost, and plant purple hull peas there. Here are my grow bags: Attached File Left to right: Creole tomatoes, green bell peppers, and two bags of a determinate bush type tomato (I forget the name). I can see that watering and nutrient washout is going to be a problem. I watered them heavily this evening, and most of it ran out onto my driveway. Looking to add mulch to my bags soon, but I'm not sure what to add. I have access to an endless supply of pine straw but I'm not sure if that is good mulch or not. Would love wood chips but I haven't found any yet. |
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6 each of broc, cauliflower, and cabbage got in the ground, a patch of arugula and carrots were seeded. Lots still to do.
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Originally Posted By billyhill: I have struggled to get going. My physical conditioning has gone to crap. Should have started weeks ago but today I finally got up and went. After some misadventures, it has begun. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105091/Screenshot_20220305-121556_Gallery_jpg-2302368.JPG. View Quote Looks good! I can send you some clay if you'd like.... and rocks. |
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Clay and rocks, I have a gracious plenty .
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Aimless: "F@ck that. If my kid was sitting on the floor I would launch my wife at the teacher like a hawk on a rabbit!"
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Originally Posted By kallnojoy: Sometimes indoor hydroponics feels like cheating Today's quick pickings for a salad at lunch: Swiss Chard, Tokyo Bekana, Koji, Arugula and Red Mustard https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60523/IMG_20220317_122030_653-2316558.jpg View Quote I am envious. |
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Today was a good day for outside stuff, so I tilled my little garden
I won't plant for another week or two, depending on weather and rain Attached File |
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Started tomato seeds indoors yesterday.
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Originally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: Started tomato seeds indoors yesterday. View Quote Isn't that late for seeds? I see you're from MN and our growing seasons are wildly different from yours. I buy plants, I hope to plant around 4/15 and we always get first tomatoes on or around July 4th You? |
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Originally Posted By Avidrook: Isn't that late for seeds? I see you're from MN and our growing seasons are wildly different from yours. I buy plants, I hope to plant around 4/15 and we always get first tomatoes on or around July 4th You? View Quote Could be; this only my second season gardening Last year I didn't get anything planted til mid May. We can get still get snow in April. Looking back through my phone pics my first cherry tomato came on July 19th last year. |
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Originally Posted By Avidrook: Isn't that late for seeds? I see you're from MN and our growing seasons are wildly different from yours. I buy plants, I hope to plant around 4/15 and we always get first tomatoes on or around July 4th You? View Quote I'm in Southern WI. My rule of thumb is to have everything planted or transplanted outside by mid-may. So I will start seeds in advance of that time according to date on the seed packet. For example, Amish Paste tomato seeds will go in the starter tray this weekend. I've already put in a few flowers and onions earlier, and they are growing. I have a bunch of other seeds that will go in in the starter trays in the next couple of weeks after that, and even more seeds that will go directly into the ground in may. |
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Well, the dumbass tree done drilled you in the butt and laid eggs in ya." -RJinks |
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