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Posted: 1/11/2015 6:23:52 PM EDT
I have noticed most preppers seem to spend more money on one or 2 items far more than others. Some food, seed etc. others guns/ammo, communications, facilities, medical supplies. The list goes on and on, granted at some point you must set priorities; some are dictated by what you are expecting. Most cannot prepare for every scenario, so how do you set your priorities and what do you spend the most on?
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Prepping wise the homestead. Kind of broad, but I will drop about 5 grand on a dairy setup and Dexter cow this summer alone.
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Guns and ammo came first and I've probably spent the most there, but I've pared down.
Land is the other one. When constructed the dwelling will be an easy number one. |
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Guns, Guns and more Guns. More of an addiction to collect than prepping but I do that also.. 2015 I need more ammo, food, fuel, and gear. I need to add some NV and finish some projects too. I could get by on what I have, but more is always better.
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Over the years...
Real-estate and planes... Then T&M equipment and machinery. Made the most $$$ in independent transactions, in RE. A beach front condo I owned and later sold to a stupid cardiologist prior to the recent economic panic, is notable. He was a total dishonest asshole in the transaction and some years later after the deflation, when he sold it, he lost abt $1mm. I never figgered out what the saying... "What comes around goes around"... Means... But it probably applies to him. |
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I'm more or less done with the homestead.
Other than some 'nice to haves' we are all set. Now it's going to getting my financial preps squared away.
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I don't think the question is quite fair. I spend far more money on food every year (with very little put back) than I spend on anything else.
However, my biggest priority is water. Our town has had problems twice with it's water supply this year, and without water stored here it was bitterly obvious where we were lacking. Since then, my list of priorities is made by doing without everything. The first thing that I desperately need (like water) becomes priority one. After that, I get hungry....so food becomes two. Then I get cold, so clothing and shelter become three (in a kind of combo...). And so on. |
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We budget and spend about $60 a month on things like: ammo, food storage, LTS food, home security, tools, gun stuff, first aid, Appleseed event, etc.
We are at the ‘rotation & replacement’ phase, so we spend a lot of time on the ‘hobby of prepping’ like practicing cooking with storage food, rotating gas, and running the RV fridge & generator. Our biggest single expenditure is saving/investing for retirement/future; about 28% of our income. Some pre-tax and some after taxes. During the gear gathering phase we budgeted monthly for things. Cheap stuff that I like to do is read this and other forums, participate in political action, and write emails, snail mail, and phone regarding political issues, things that piss me off and things that deserve a note of congratulations or encouragement. I tend to use snail mail for the encouragement/congratulation notes. |
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Reloading components. Nothing can be substituted. View Quote This is a key thing imo. Consumables are a big thing to us; whatever the category, not just regarding gun stuff. Ammunition & reloading components sure, but food & medicine, toilet paper, whatever. Most major problems - whether short term or long term - cause disruptions in supply lines & delivery. So If it's something that we can't grow or make, I like having a lot on hand. |
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Reloading components, the last ~3 years has been tough finding components. It looks like pistol powder is finally starting to break loose. Other components have been more readily available for the last 6-8 months.
Fortunately I had stocked up and have been able to keep shooting as much as I like. I'll be restocking soon though. I convinced my oldest daughter and her family to plant a big garden this Spring. I'll get to pay a lot of the expenses, fuel for the tractor to turn the ground, fencing to keep deer out, seed and so on. We worked a deal with a neighbor for composted cow and horse manure as fertilizer. We've been taking AG courses on canning and preserving our harvest. |
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MOST spend more on guns they don't train with enough and ammo they refuse to shoot in practice cause it's so expensive more than anything else.
Would venture to bet that most preppers have more weapons than months of food in storage. I.e, if you have 12 total weapons do you have AT LEAST 12 months of food? Single biggest $$ category for most over the long term (if they are serious enough) usually ends up being land and infrastructure. The last few years it's been a close tie in expenditures between infrastructure upgrades and thermal and night vision. Replacing a lot of storage food and pretty much only buying Mt. House now. |
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land/home is probably at the top of the list for most people.. it's expensive, but it's also the best tool you have for prepping. Bugging in to a somewhat fortified (don't go crazy here) place that you know like the back of your hand and can live on is a big plus in any type of "disaster".
Outside of that, my biggest prep is buying tools that can help me to live life today the same as I would if we encountered a disaster. I build a lot of my own furniture, I repair everything myself, I make a lot of other things myself as well...Even if you currently work a job, live your life so that you can support yourself if the flow of money stops, if you can't work the job, or if you have to fix things because nobody else is available to do so... Sorry if this seems like I'm just rambling, I'm just spewing out what I find important. Guns, yeah, they have a place, ammo and reloading components have a place too; you need to be able to protect what is yours from thieves and robbers, but you also need to protect it from attrition, Mr. Murphy, and other things that will knock your important gear off-line. I've prioritized having a way to fix things; some people may prioritize having spares... |
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You know that's a good question.
Unfortunately, I still spend most of my money living, which is survival. By far, most of my net worth is in my IRA, still, though close to retirement, my assets are pretty darn close. Its amazing how much stuff we acquire over a lifetime. I tell young people when they see what I have, "You will too. Its a part of getting older." Attribute much of it really to my wife. Put bluntly, single people just don't acquire as much stuff. I attribute it to not they are some sort of different personality just simply they don't have that responsibility and obligation. That, and of course, women keep us guys from doing stupid shit all our lives, well, not all of it, but a lot more than if we were single. I mention this because it directly influences what I currently spend on traditional "preppar" topics. In the traditional topics, I currently spend more money on guns but then if I'm totally honest I passed the need this for survival point many years ago. Guns are still one of my loves, hobbies, in life. I enjoy them both collecting and shooting and they simply feed into the survival aspect. If this was the Civil War when citizens armed troops, I'm not a colonel yet but well on my way. That being said, I already have the maximum I can store on food and other traditional supplies. I learned quite a few lessons along the way, the hard way, of course. Unless you are anal rotation, on food, avoid anything with a short to moderate expiration. Even five years is no time when talking food storage. Selective freezed dried foods are good option but avoid too much already prepared meals. Though arguably better, after a few weeks of eating the same stuff day in and day out, its not much better than those who have a warehouse of rice and beans. While time is on your side, stock food items to "make" a diverse diet similar to what you eat now. I honestly don't see how anyone can avoid the throwing away or donating foods thing but being able to use it time to time makes it less. I don't want to be one of those nuts that passes away with a basement full of spoiled foods that is only good for the dump. Its as bad as the hoarders on TV that have to walk around piles of crap to go to the bathroom. That being said, my wife and I are pretty darn bad. We're pack rats by nature I think. That being said, the opposite is just as bad. Some people live by a haven't seen it in X amount of time, toss it out. Just this week, my sons fiancee that graduated nursing school this summer, got her first real job. She's waiting in line at the Social Security office as I type this. Her mom and dad are one of those toss it out types and they tossed out her birth certificate, social security card, and even her nursing license. Its like they had a fire, but hey their house is not cluttered. There's an in between. Just know as a "survivalist"/"prepper", you are by nature going to be leaned way closer to hoarded than compulsive dumper. I don't think we have a foot of wall space that doesn't have something in it, mostly furniture but something. It happens in time. Something I noticed too if you are a keep it because someone gave it to you type, people give you more. Probably even at my age, half of the furniture I have was given to me. My mom has been a lifelong antique collector. Tell you how bad we are, with my brothers passing last month, we're trying to figure out what to do with the bedroom suite, literally, he and I were conceived in. Its over six decades old now and was refinished by my father some three decades ago before he passed away. I mention this because family is a big part of survival. I've avoided the too much land thing. I simply haven't needed it. Even at my age, I still have family close enough to me, if I need a rural bug out, I still have options. My options range from simply houses to 400 acre plus farms some pretty sparse but some almost like a small city. What I'm saying here is, my how people limit their options in survival if they don't value family and I will add friends too. Before had government social programs, family was our social programs. Now some of don't have much choice in that. We don't get to pick our families and people come both good and bad. We talk often about networking but I don't know if I'd be comfortable with anyone who neglects family in their survival planning. That being said, of the guys I know and have adopted as friends here on the forum, none of them have that problem. A couple, they didn't have a choice in the matter, God or behavior having given them no choice but most not so. A "Me" attitude does not work in survival planning. "Hermit" survival is simply flawed philosophy. Its flawed in life let alone some EOTWAWKI crisis. The only thing you can depend on "Me" types for is to put "Me" first. I spend zero dollars on "Me"s. Now if I had to put a finger on the most rewarding survival prep financially, that's not tents, sleeping bags, packs, or any of that stuff. Hands down, that's ammunition. I'm still shooting top notch ammunition, I paid $150/1,000. Yep, I'm prepared for a zombie invasion as well as the next guy but what I have really done is smooth out my shooting by anticipating interruptions in supply and cost increases. What I did was quantify my shooting best I could, set a target cost, and continually buy on sale to achieve the goals. When factory ammunition exceeded y cost goals, I put the same effort into reloading supplies. Its easy to stock for a caliber you don't shoot a lot. What I bought in reloading was based on projections. For example, brass I can get as I shoot but bullets once shot are expended and precious metals are a finite resource. Its not going to get cheaper in time but it will have spikes due to availability. With an adequate buffer, you can then replenish what you shoot taking your time and advantage of sales. It was food storage that got me into developing this stratagem for ammunition. Now guns, like I posted I'm way over the "you need this" level. It not really on my financial budget. I save my change in a big jug and when its full, I buy myself a new gun. What I do try to avoid in buying a new caliber every purchase. This impacts the ammunition planning. Some, like a rifle, worse than others. A gun like a .380 mouse gun, you're not going to chew up a lot of ammunition at the range. Even with this philosophy, you are still gong to end up with a lot of different calibers. If one caber was the best for all tasks, that's the only caliber there would be on the market. Guns and calibers are very task specific. We have an old saying here on AR15.com, "We're not the Army so don't have to settle for what they give us." Now we can talk gear until the cows come in but all of it is impacted by our philosophies on life. First you need to understand, nobody lives forever and we're all going to die. Many people go through life never having to even think of what they would be willing to die for. Many times, you won't even know till it comes up. What we can address though is what we won't die for. Top of my list on this topic is I won't die for material things. I call that "Captain Smith" the captain that went down with the Titanic. Much of his problem in our terminology is he had made a bugin decision and didn't have a bugout plan, not enough life boats. A plan to bug in, do or die, with your gear is not a plan. That's a decision on how you want to die. Dying for a bucket of beans is not much to die for. Every bug in plan should have a bugout plan or you are "Captain Smith" and your place the Titanic Nothing is unsinkable especially when for most of us we don't need an iceberg just a match. This influences what we buy and how often. An extreme example is living in an apartment with only ones moth rent with 1 year of food is pretty darn stupid. Having a way to load up and move that food, not the best option but not as stupid. Just like guns and ammo, having more than you can carry is surplus, so does this philosophy extend to every piece of gear we have. At my age, I'm staring my mortality right in my eyes. The worse thing I can think of is to die unloved and alone. That puts dying massaging a stack of rice and beans on my not list. Even if all you do is segregate a portion of your supplies for a bugout. Don't plan on going down with the "Titanic". Invest your resources wisely with the long haul in mind. Sorry for the books but sometimes I find simple questions a little more than simple and sharing with you guys allows me to refresh it all in my mind. Tj |
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MOST spend more on guns they don't train with enough and ammo they refuse to shoot in practice cause it's so expensive more than anything else. Would venture to bet that most preppers have more weapons than months of food in storage. I.e, if you have 12 total weapons do you have AT LEAST 12 months of food? Single biggest $$ category for most over the long term (if they are serious enough) usually ends up being land and infrastructure. The last few years it's been a close tie in expenditures between infrastructure upgrades and thermal and night vision. Replacing a lot of storage food and pretty much only buying Mt. House now. View Quote Agree. If you look at total overall costs my house and land come in as number one. Vehicles and gas expenses come in as number two. (can probably throw original purchase price of dual sport and ATV in this category as well.) Every day living expenses to included food and electricity come in as number three. Construction and out building project, fun outdoor gear and equipment consumables like chainsaw parts, tools, ATV parts for plowing and logging etc. come in as number four. And the last I would probably list would be extras, like electronics, TV, internet, phone etc. I used to spend a lot on guns and ammo but haven't bought anything in at least a year. |
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Now it's going to getting my financial preps squared away. View Quote Bingo. Even after all debt, make sure retirement is secure, and funds are tucked away. Although an all out apocalypse would be interesting, I know reality sits on loss of job, disability, major disaster (i.e. hurricane, tornado, home fire, etc) are where my real 'preps' are at. Lately, I have been thinking of house fire (we had a major gas pipeline explode in my county this morning). If I lost everything, would I have enough insurance or capital to replace it or rebuild my life??.... |
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My most expensive purchase was also my cheapest expense, I paid 50k for my acreage 15 years ago, I saved 65k in rent alone in that time, and 100k if you include the taxes I didn't have to pay on the 65k I didn't need to earn. land clearing and road building cost 15k, the cabin was only about 1.5k at 1999 prices, next is probably tools and hardware, but even these were purchased at estate sales and such. building materials are next, used stuff when I can. just about everything I own was bought used (except personal items and high tech stuff). Food is probably as cheap as it has ever been in history, there is no reason not to fill many mortar cans with beans ,peas and grains.
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Quoted: Bingo. Even after all debt, make sure retirement is secure, and funds are tucked away. Although an all out apocalypse would be interesting, I know reality sits on loss of job, disability, major disaster (i.e. hurricane, tornado, home fire, etc) are where my real 'preps' are at. Lately, I have been thinking of house fire (we had a major gas pipeline explode in my county this morning). If I lost everything, would I have enough insurance or capital to replace it or rebuild my life??.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Now it's going to getting my financial preps squared away. Bingo. Even after all debt, make sure retirement is secure, and funds are tucked away. Although an all out apocalypse would be interesting, I know reality sits on loss of job, disability, major disaster (i.e. hurricane, tornado, home fire, etc) are where my real 'preps' are at. Lately, I have been thinking of house fire (we had a major gas pipeline explode in my county this morning). If I lost everything, would I have enough insurance or capital to replace it or rebuild my life??.... The S may never H the F, but I WILL become to old to work, and I WILL have emergency financial expenditures. These are certainties.
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Animal feed and reloading components. I'm buying a small wood mizer sawmill in the spring since that is going to be cheaper than the lumber I need to replace the barn that came with this place.
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Animal feed and reloading components. I'm buying a small wood mizer sawmill in the spring since that is going to be cheaper than the lumber I need to replace the barn that came with this place. Which model and how much does it cost? lt-10. Buying and picking up direct in Indianapolis for 3,400ish. |
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Lately, I've spent most of my "survival" funds on items that will ultimately end up saving me money while making me more self sufficient. Long term food storage is a big part of this. I simply can't afford to buy all of the #10 cans of stuff I want in the quantities I desire from the prepping companies. That is where a small initial investment in items like a pressure cooker, Food Saver with Mason jar attachments and a dehydrator come in very handy. The more stuff I can grow and put away myself, the less expensive stuff I have to buy. The dehydrator allows me to do pretty much all of my own fruits and vegetables. The Food Saver and jar attachments allow me to pack my own powdered/granular foods, small grains, drink mixes, etc. The bigger bulk grain items can go into buckets and will get the Mylar bag and o2 absorber treatment. And with the pressure cooker I can put away a number of meat items I like that will store up to three years in good conditions. So that leaves far less items I have to purchase from the prepping companies. I'm of the mindset that prepping doesn't have to be an activity that totally drains your wallet. In fact, I kinda enjoy being frugal and continue to look for new ways of doing things cheaper or more efficiently.
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Infrastructure .....
Before that it was...debt....lts....ammo...etc. Now its homestead cost..... Just spent a few bills getting a secondary water source going on my place.... Next few purchases will be gear related or more infrastructure ......I see the funds going into the land before the gear locker. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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