Did you type this from the computer in your cruiser?

I will have to let the officers chime in here on their areas. I do recall reading some statutes where that type of speeding is similar to the severity of a DWI/DUI.

Yep.... having an official complaint roll through the chain of command is much better than just talking face to face. You do realize that is what you are offering as the better solution, right?

If the cop didn't like what was going on, at least he manned up, stopped the car and said something. Sure beats doing the pussy footing around and just calling the agency to complain.

Oh yeah... that makes a lot of sense. Get involved in a vehicle pursuit because it might not be a real cop pulling you over. Sounds like a GD thread!

The State Trooper could have thought that the Sheriffs car was stolen with two women in the front and one man in the back. Having two female deputies escorting a male prisoner sure does seem a little odd from my non-officer standpoint.

No place I've ever worked. In some states you can loose your license for it, but for LE especially new LE, that also can mean loosing your job.

Guess this is the polite way of saying you don't know what oyu are talking about.

I have never taken someone to jail for speeding unless street racing was involved.  I have never seen anyone taken to jail for speeding unless they refused to sign.  I have never evne heard of anyone going to jail for just speeding.  Looks like again, we're having a little pity party for the poor oppressed cits and your running blind.

Anyone who tells you they went to jail for just speeding is either lying or has a super car and and sense.  

I write far more warnings than tickets.  for most of us, TS are for 2 things, keeping the peds and other drivers safe or finding dope, guns property.  

While on duty yesterday, I made 5 traffic stops.  I wrote 0 tickets but made 3 arrests.  1 for drugs, 1 car burglar and one who just can't take care of his paperwork.  It's funny to me how you roll into BOTS shield, spew from the mouth and spit on everyone in here when you are not even a cop, and then get surprised when cops use officer discretion and cut warnings to other cops for pannie annie traffic.  I have not even had a TS in 6 months where the person was a cop.  I make lots of TS too.  So maybe, just maybe your a bit uniformed or skewed in your perspective.  but persecutive is realty.  Glad you made IBTSS.  way to go.

OK. I may have been a little raucous. My apologies.

I had someone attempt to pull me over in my marked squad for speeding through his city while I was enroute to a call out. (We don't run code to call outs but are expected to get there fast)

It didn't end well for the nosey officer.

If another cop wants to know what you are doing and why you are speeding through his jurisdiction he can call your department.

I think you've lost your way. GD is that way ––––––––––––––->

How did it not end well for the "nosey" officer?

Ummm, I didn't stop when I was enroute to a call out in my marked squad and someone attempted to pull me over.

The cop trying to pull me over kept his lights on for a few miles and then quit while he called my department to find out what I was doing.

For the record, I called my dispatch also to have them tell that PD I was enroute to a call out and would not be stopping.

I'm not being an ass but I truly would have laughed my ass off he made it a "vehicle pursuit."

Go back to GD.. Please..

Mainly because of the way he spoke to our dispatcher when he called, our supervisors got involved with his supervisors and his PD actually apologized to ours.

For the record, I didn't think an apology was necessary, I just thought it was a little ridiculous that a marked squad tried to "pull over" another for a traffic violation.

no no, he can stay in BOTS and make a fool of himself.  No worries, at this rate he will probably get himself a little slap before page 4.


And Honorabledog,  Again amigo, it isn't a disrespect thing when someone breaks the law.  It isn't a personal move by a suspect against an officer and you cannot take it that way.  Now if you are on a call and they are spitting on the ground in front of you or seeing how far they came push things, that's another story.

+1 I've heard several stories about PA troopers.

 

Ok then.. whats say we just end this thread here. It's getting to be too much like GD. Agree to disagree

Troopers give a 15 MPH cushion as does every local department I know of, you must just keep getting the few Dicks.

Problem is those same Pa Troopers when they get stopped in NJ OFF DUTY would be the first to whip out the ID and expect courtesy.  Dumbass thing to do..it's not like the guys coming back from NOLA who were blasting along at 90mph with their overheads on...and, IIRC even those guys didnt get written.

It's just poor tactics to pull over for someone you don't know while you are transporting a prisoner.  Someone dropped the ball.  NYS DEP should have informed PA State Police that they were doing a prisoner transfer through the ajoining state.  Honestly sounds more like the deputies were taking a non authorized short cut.  
And GD thread or not, I still wouldn't pull over for anyone while I'm doing a Prisoner transport.  That's why I have a radio.

I watched too many truck drivers fuck things up to believe obtaining a (basic) CDL is anything special - LE EVOC training is a bit more thorough IMO.

That said, the stop was legit if the deputy was speeding but as others have said - having a marked patrol car going the speed limit pisses off a lot of people, probably more than having a marked patrol car slightly exceeding the speed limit so that traffic doesn't back up.

Brian

Who are you?

Take that fuckin' GD crap over there for those morons to read.––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––->

Noone cares cop hater.  Go to the HTF and whine over there.

Please.

1. If I'm in a marked unit and another marked unit from a different agency passes me, I'm sure not going to stop them, I'll assume they are going somewhere important.  

2. If I'm the one speeding in a marked unit and another agency tries to stop me, I probably would do one of two things:  
                   
.........................A: Not stop and get that agency on my cell phone and see why this moron is trying to stop me or,
                   
.........................B:  Stop and once I figure out he actually stopped me for speeding and not to give me some info or something, I would get his Sgt over right away because that is pure stupidity...

I will not stop while transporting a prisoner.

I like all the colors, makes it easier to read with all this chained. It is not a contradiction to state people go to jail for illegal street racing and not for speeding.  Speeding and RACING are totally different.  speed is usually involved in street racing, but is not the sole aspect.  

5 stops in a day is not a lot UNLESS YOU TAKE PEOPLE TO JAIL.  Taking people to jail takes time, reports have to be written, evidence has to be turned in, booking sheets have to be filled out along with PC affidavits and disposition sheets.  cars have to be inventoried and impounded and there is of course the time consuming and physical aspect of driving someone to jail.  If the suspect only has a warrant and there is nothing else in the stop, then my base time from leaving the TS to returning to sector is 1 hour.  That is assuming no real traffic.  If a TS is made, there are drugs in play, PC has to be built.  It takes time to do this and investigating.  After the arrest, all of what happened and what was investigated prior to the arrest has to be clearly articulated for the judge, each item seized has to be put into evidence and tagged.  With drugs, they have to be identified and weighed.  These TS to drug arrest can take up to 3 hours or more depending on what is found.  If you find a large amount of cash, lots of plastic baggies, drugs, scales, pdp and prior involvement, like I had last night that i mentioned in my previous post, it might take near 4 hours.  

The same is true if the car is full of STOLEN PROPERTY and criminal  implements.  Turning in all that takes time.  Our shifts are suppose to be 10 hours.  3 arrests of 5 stops in 10 hours for those arrests is an accomplishment regardless of the fact you are obviously ignorant of how LE job is preformed and the amount of paperwork that is involved.  The whole point to me pointing out to you that I made 5 stops yesterday was not a "hey, cop hater, look how many TS I made," but more to show you that look 5 stops were made, not tickets were issued and 3 people went to jail, 2 for non traffic related.  Sure I could sit up on some "do not turn right on red" sign and pull bunches of people over and write tickets.  However, most cops don t and that is what the previous post reflected that you completely missed.  

I'm getting a feeling that some of the officers are self servants and have the attitude of - F@$& the public because I AM THE LAW.  I re read this thread and I don't recall seeing anything to this nature at all.  There appears to be only on person out of control so far.  

Why do you feel that, not being a cop and having no obvious experience in police work, should dictate how police cars are operated and determine how and when they drive code?  Most depts if not all that I am aware of, have policy in place that were put into place by experience officers and supervisors, dictating how the police vehicle is to be operated.  Is there a reason you assume you know best in a job you don't do?  I don't know jack about being a doc, I am not about to assume that I should start directing their policy.  If officers violate policy, which happens everywhere, then their COC needs to be involved and take corrective action.  In this case, the transporting officers should have had their COC contacted by the trooper instead of him taking it upon himself to stop them and try to discipline them on the side of the road.  Transporting someone is not time to screw around.  

Again, I think you would be better off going under a bridge in the GD.  I think it is very clear to any LEO that you have no experience in LE and have nothing to add to a discussion for LEO.  I would suggest starting a sub forum for whatever your employment is and sticking with that.  If not, atleast go do some ride outs or something to get yourself better informed on how our job works and what our day is actually like.  

3 hazardous tickets today, all due to collisions which policy states, "you will issue a citation," and because the parties involved in very minor collisions demanded an officer.  1 hazardous cite issued tonight for running a red light, nearly causing a collision.  1 non hazardous cite for driving on a suspended license to the driver who almost took out a mini van when the driver ran the previously mentioned red light.

ETA - liked the whole color coordination thing too much not to go back and  try to make things a bit simpler to read.  Hope it smoothes the flow of the read a bit.

Thank you for your intelectual contribution to this thread.

By all means, allow me to add some "intelectual contribution" to this thread for you.  This thread is in this fancy little sub-forum called Brothers of the Shield, which we have already made note multiple times that you are not.  You're not so useful insight into this thread has been nothing but a cheap way for you to bash LE in any means you see fit, somehow without catching the attention of the mods, YET.

Until you have been in the shoes (or passenger seat) of a LEO, you have NO PLACE whatsoever for you to run your mouth about how we do our business.  You damn sure don't have any place in coming into the BOTS and providing your "intelectual contribution" when all you're doing is bashing LEO in the first place.  If you feel the need to put in your $0.02 worth, do it in GD, however tread lightly, as I've noticed the mods there aren't too big on bashing LEO also.

FWIW, next time you call 911, make sure to tell them that the officer should respond only at the speed limit, and to take his time.  I'm sure whoever the victim is in your family/friends would certainly appreciate it...

Speeding is the main issue in street racing unless the contestants race up to the speed limit and then stop in your area. I'm guessing that isn't the case though.

I understand that the clerical work can take a long time. I was just pointing out that you stated in one place that you made 5 stops in a day and then go on to say that you make a lot of stops.

Just because I question a policy that seems to have no merit doesn't make me a cop hater. One of those policies would concern "officer discretion" when activating their lights and or siren. I know I know and I agree that it shouldn't be mandatory right up to the scene as in the case of a burglary for example. But if you are going to operate your vehicle in what would be considered a reckless and neglegent manner for any non-officer then you should have to warn those around you by activating your lights and/or siren. There was a case where an officer was traveling in excess of 100 MPH at night and hit and killed a pedestrian trying to cross the road. He claimed he was en route to a call until they pulled the dispatch log. He wound up walking away with no criminal charges.

I'm getting a feeling that some of the officers are self servants and have the attitude of - F@$& the public because I AM THE LAW.  "I re read this thread and I don't recall seeing anything to this nature at all.  There appears to be only on person out of control so far."  

If you think I am out of control just because I question some policies then that just reinforces my point. These from above do to:

"Why do you feel that, not being a cop and having no obvious experience in police work, should dictate how police cars are operated and determine how and when they drive code?"

"Again, I think you would be better off going under a bridge in the GD.  I think it is very clear to any LEO that you have no experience in LE and have nothing to add to a discussion for LEO."

You serve the public and telling those you have sworn to protect and serve to get lost when they question how/why things are done is ...self serving.

I do know a little bit about being a doc. I do know that they would bring trouble on themself if he went to a bank, convenience store, etc. wearing a mask over his face. The point is that is the public perception about what is going on. Police are in the public eye ALL THE TIME. They should be mindful of any constructive criticism they receive if they are not following the same laws they fine others for not following. If a private business was run like a police department with the attitudes of the take it or leave it policies then they would surely be out of business in short order. I know this won't and can't happen in the police community but it will definitely result in little or no support from the "customers".

WOW code4, your comments smack of big brotherism. I have NEVER claimed to be a police officer. I did make one comment that may have been off color but I redacted it AND apologized. I am not "bashing LEO", I am merely question some of the policies. If the mods see fit to not allow me to post my comments questioning some of the police policies and procedures -written or unwritten - then that is their perogative.

It is EVERYBODY'S responsibility to speak up when they see something that is wrong - morally or legally. If I use your logic then it would be wrong to tell the CEO of MegaCorp. for example to stop dumping their toxic waste in my back yard to increase their profits. I guess until I've been in the expensive shoes (or back seat of their limousine) of a CEO then I shouldn't question them either.

I find it a little disturbing that when the service of a public servant is questioned that some start to attack the messenger questioner and not the message question. I will not tread lightly but I will tread respectfully.

Both sides of this issue obviously have blinders on to a degree but I think those willing to see are asking questions and trying to find answers. Those who are not willing to see are just saying "don't confuse me with the facts because my mind is already made up" or "get lost".

As for calling 911 - the police can respond at the speed limit (I've got my security needs covered) but I would appreciate in the event of illness or injury the driver of the ambulance (with sirens wailing and lights flashing) would "step on it" and be allowed to procede unimpeded. Knock on wood.

1)  Fuck you.
2)  Fuck you again and STFU.  
3)  Give me a ticket or let me go; but if you chose to stand there and try to lecture me in front of a prisoner, I'm driving off.

You would say that to one of your BOTS?

This right here is what I was waiting for.  You can justify it for one emergency service but not for another?  Basing my response off of the fact that a state trooper stopped another officer in a marked police vehicle, what's to stop that same trooper from stopping that ambulance as it runs code to your house b/c it's speeding?  If that were the case, you'd be up in arms.  But you think this case in particular is justified b/c it was a cop that got stopped...

Question, should you be at work or maybe at the store, and your family called you and said that someone is breaking into your house.  Would you speed to get home?  If you say no to that question, I will sit right here and call you a liar.  Say your "security needs" weren't as well covered as you think they are, especially since you're not home.  Would you want that officer to go the speed limit then?  Probably not.  Home Invasion situation like that, I'll run code for the majority of the way, but I'll shut down my equipment a good mile or two from the home b/c I don't want the jackass to know I'm coming.  Doesn't mean I won't speed and bust my ass the rest of the way to your house.

Just a suggestion, weigh your battles.  I can live with an officer speeding when not running code.  I make that exception because I crack down harder than anyone else on cops that drive drunk (on or off-duty).  I can live with an officer with an attitude problem, but the first time the officer violates your rights, I'm behind you 100%.  Hell, I can live with an officer leaving the can on his patrol rifle 24/7 , but if that cop is dirty, you can bet I'll be in IA right beside you with your complaint.

my first double tap

I must have misread the story, I thought the marked car was driving normal status.  In the trooper v. paramedic thread we were reminded that when traveling normal status we have no more rights than any other vehicle.  

I was referring to the fact that if a trooper will stop another officer in a marked unit, he'd probably stop an ambulance running code...

That's an absurd leap in logic.

Word to the wise..... Nobody likes Traffic Units I don't think they even get along with themselves........

If you ever see a lone officer eating it's one of these two groups: Traffic Units or K-9's
I was the latter and it hurt my feelings nobody would ever go 10-7 with me

I do believe the OP story of the cops getting stopped is legit because they had no indication that they were on official business that warranted breaking the law. IF they would have had their lights/siren on then I would have been the first one to call out the stopping officer for being a real peckerhead. Just as I did for the one who stopped the ambulance that was running "code" with lights/siren activated.

Let me clarify - As for calling 911 - the police can respond at the speed limit (I've got my security needs covered) and if they feel the need to expedite their response time by driving in what would be considered a reckless and negligent manner for non-police then they should have sirens and/or lights activated until they near the scene. I would appreciate in the event of illness or injury the driver of the ambulance (with sirens wailing and lights flashing) would "step on it" and be allowed to procede unimpeded. I would also expect that if the ambulance driver was driving in a reckless and negligent manner without his lights/siren (whether responding to a call or not) that he would be stopped as well. Knock on wood.

I guess my whole premise is that the police should have to let those around them know their intentions just as everybody is supposed to use turn signals to let those around them know their intentions. When the police do things, that everyone else would be stopped for, without indicating their intentions there can be a big question whether driving recklessly or negligently is "official" or personal.

Just to clarify - I'm not talking about the 5, 10, 15 over or whatever the police turn their head to. I'm talking about the ones who for example are responding to an accident scene at 120 MPH on a non-highway - lights and sirens or not. The damage has been done at the original accident why run the very real risk of causing another accident.

As for my security needs, I have done the best to train (mentally and physically) and equip my family to deal with a problem. And yes I would speed to get home and yes I would expect to be stopped by the police if my driving was outside of their window of what they thought was "OK". If an officer is sent to the scene then I would agree that your method of response would be a good example to follow as I have said before. You do seem like a level headed person.

People speed all the time and I'm not saying that everyone needs to be stopped. It's the one that fly by and you just go DAAMMNN as the sound of their car goes by a split second later. If a police officer has to speed like that then he should have his lights on at the minimum to warn those in his direct path. I'm confident that officers speeding ALL the way to a scene and skiding in sideways is a product of Hollywood and not actual training.

I agree with weighing my battles. I'm just trying to say that if more officers would conduct themselves in the manner that all other citizens are expected to and signal to those around them when they are on official business it would do a lot more than any "press the flesh" and button handing out campaign that the departments do. Kind of a lead by example thing.

I think ALL officers should have easy access to cans (as well as civilians) and patrol rifles. And I can deal with an attitude from hell - I have a 16YO daughter.

Sort of. But I'd be willing to bet that there are a proportionate number of peckerhead officers to peckerhead non-officers.

My semi serious ?
Why would  trooper /deputies not attempt to just say hi on ntac or ncall


But that would require logic, this was a dick swinging contest plain and simple

i mean if you feel the out of area unit is not operating in a safe manner just hit the intersection switch and light it up make eye contact and go your seperate way

BTW I would do the same for non LEO's  you see someone kinda zoned not paying attenton light up get them back awake and paying attention I have done my duty and corrected a potential dangerous situation that is the essence of PUBLIC SAFETY which is the primary duty of every peace officer

Nope there are just a lot of peckerheads regardless of what they do for a living

There was only one contestant!! But I know what you mean.

Wow, all this over this

So, you changed the scenario to where:

You were en route to a call
You were in your jurisdiction

Apples and oranges You called your own PD to say you were speeding and wouldn't stop for another officer? Just so I have this straight. If you were driving that fast, I am sure you were breaking policy

Which radio system do you have that has every other agency in another state, that you may be driving through? I would love to have one that worked everywhere. If you have a radio that works whereever you drive, we need to do an upgrade!

We have a few agencies, but different freqs. makes it pretty difficult to have every agency.