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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:01:32 AM EDT

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/world/americas/31honduras.html?_r=1&hp

Deal Reached in Honduras to Restore Ousted President

By ELISABETH MALKIN

MEXICO CITY — A lingering political crisis in Honduras seemed to be nearing an end on Friday after the de facto government agreed to a deal that would allow Manuel Zelaya, the deposed president, to return to office.

The government of Roberto Micheletti,
which had refused to let Mr. Zelaya return, signed an agreement with
Mr. Zelaya’s negotiators late Thursday that would pave the way for the
Honduran Congress to restore the ousted president and allow him to
serve out the remaining three months of his term.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed on Friday that Mr. Zelaya and Mr. Micheletti had approved what she called “an historic agreement.”

“I cannot think of another example of a country in Latin America
that, having suffered a rupture of its democratic and constitutional
order, overcame such a crisis through negotiation and dialogue,” Mrs.
Clinton said Friday in Islamabad, where she has been meeting with
Pakistani officials.

The accord came after a team of senior American diplomats flew from
Washington to the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, on Wednesday to press
for an agreement. On Thursday, the assistant secretary of state for
Western Hemisphere affairs, Thomas A. Shannon Jr., warned that time was
running out for an agreement.

Mr. Micheletti’s government had argued that a presidential election
scheduled for Nov. 29 would put an end to the crisis. But the United
States, the Organization of American States and the United Nations suggested they would not recognize the results of the elections without a pre-existing agreement.

“We were very clearly on the side of the restoration of the
constitutional order, and that includes the elections,” Mrs. Clinton
said in Islamabad.

Mr. Micheletti appeared to have been persuaded that the warnings were serious.

“The accord allows a vote in Congress on Zelaya’s possible
restitution with the prior approval of the Supreme Court,” Mr.
Micheletti said in televised comments late Thursday. “This is a
significant concession on the part of our government.”

“We are satisfied,” Mr. Zelaya said, according to Reuters. “We are optimistic that my reinstatement is imminent.”

Negotiators for both men were expected to meet Friday to work out the final details of the accord.

Mr. Zelaya was ousted in a military coup on June 28 and flown to Costa Rica.

Some Honduran political and business leaders have argued that the
takeover was a legal response to Mr. Zelaya’s attempts to rewrite the
Constitution and seek re-election. But they were also concerned by his
deepening alliance with Venezuela’s leftist president, Hugo Chávez.

Mr. Zelaya has denied any plan to seek re-election, which is forbidden under the Honduran Constitution.

He sneaked back into the country on Sept. 21 and has been living at the Brazilian Embassy since then.

It was unclear when Mr. Zelaya would be able to leave the embassy,
which has had Honduran soldiers posted outside. The de facto government
had said it would arrest him if he came out.

According to Mr. Micheletti, the accord reached late Thursday would
establish a unity government and a verification commission to ensure
that its conditions are carried out. It would also create a truth
commission to investigate the events of the past few months.

The agreement also reportedly asks the international community to
recognize the results of the elections and to lift any sanctions that
were imposed after the coup.

The political crisis has created turmoil inside Honduras, where
regular marches by Mr. Zelaya’s supporters and curfews have paralyzed
the capital. The suspension of international aid has stalled badly
needed projects in one of the region’s poorest countries.

Latin American governments had pressed the Obama administration to
take a forceful approach to ending the political impasse, but
Washington had let the Organization of American States take the lead
and endorsed negotiations that were brokered by the Costa Rican
president, Óscar Arias. But those talks stalled in July.

New negotiations began earlier this month but broke down two weeks
ago. With the Honduran elections approaching, the United States chose
to step up pressure and dispatched Mr. Shannon, along with Dan
Restrepo, the senior director for Western Hemisphere affairs at the National Security Council.

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:03:36 AM EDT

[#1]

We're just making the world safe for democra......waitaminnit...

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:06:06 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

We're just making the world safe for democra......waitaminnit...

It feels strange to actually see it, doesn't it?

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:14:56 AM EDT

[#3]

Just us, being friends to democracy.

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:19:12 AM EDT

[#4]

The signed agreement temporarily removed the Army from being under this guy, and it will be temporarily controlled by the courts. until after the next election.

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:20:33 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

“We were very clearly on the side of the restoration of the constitutional order, and that includes the elections,” Mrs. Clinton said in Islamabad.

He was removed by their Supreme Court under the terms of their Constitution and the new president was appointed correctly under their Constitution. This whole fight to put him back in power is the only unconstitutional thing here. Now the US is saying they won't recognize the results of the scheduled new election if the old President isn't put back in office first.

<tinfoil hat on>It's all about creating an institutional memory in the US that it is ok for a President to overrule the Supreme Court / Congress if they try to remove him.</tinfoil>

Posted: 10/30/2009 5:57:44 AM EDT

[#6]

Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.
While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

Posted: 10/30/2009 7:06:26 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.

While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

You hear what she said in Pak?

Posted: 10/30/2009 7:16:16 AM EDT

[#8]

What the hell?

Do you think he will try to become dictator for life again?

Posted: 10/30/2009 7:22:56 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
What the hell?

Do you think he will try to become dictator for life again?

You mean Obama?

Posted: 10/30/2009 7:55:04 AM EDT

[#10]

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elheraldo.hn%2FEspeciales%2FHonduras%2520en%2520contra%2520de%2520la%2520ilegalidad%2520del%252024%2520de%2520junio%2520de%25202009%2FEdiciones%2F2009%2F10%2F29%2FNoticias%2FConcluye-crisis-politica-en-Honduras&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:04:47 AM EDT

[#11]

They didn't have a crisis. They had a government functioning on a level far above OUR OWN.....and that had to embarass Clinton and Obama, so they went in and screwed with it.

Grrr.....

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:09:30 AM EDT

[#12]

Holy crap. What a monumental failure on the part of the US State department. To knowingly and willing prop up a communist tyrant under the guise of "democracy" is inexcusable.

So if the Chinese protesters at Tianamen Square in 1989 had deposed the "elected" communist government, we would have fought to have it reinstated?

unbelievable.

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:09:35 AM EDT

[#13]

Why couldn't she just stop at " I can not think."? She was so good at saying "I can't recall." (This from the "smartest woman in the world" according to commies.)

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:30:06 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.
While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

You hear what she said in Pak?

I didn't catch it but I have no doubt that it's Un-American.

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:48:33 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.

While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

You hear what she said in Pak?

I didn't catch it but I have no doubt that it's Un-American.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/hillary-clinton-scolds-pakistan-hunt-al-qaeda/story?id=8948281

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/secretary-clinton-gets-a-taste-of-pakistani-anti-americanism.html

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:51:15 AM EDT

[#16]

Ha! At least I get one "I told you so" this week. I know all you guys had big explanations about how tossing this guy over the border in his jammies at gunpoint "wasn't a coup" but it stunk too much of banana republic nonsense, so they'll let him back just long enough to get voted out.

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:53:10 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.

While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

You hear what she said in Pak?

I didn't catch it but I have no doubt that it's Un-American.

Guess again, the Paks were giving her shit and she got in the news with two comments the main one was she said that there was no way the Paks didn't know where Al Queda was (then added something like "well maybe not ') and when grilled about drone attacks she said "There's a war on"

I hate her as much as Obama but she told them what's what.

Posted: 10/30/2009 8:59:57 AM EDT

[#18]

Ok. But she's still an Un-American Socialist/ puppet of a toothless Marxist Tiger.

Posted: 10/30/2009 9:00:51 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Ok. But she's still an Un-American Socialist/ puppet of a toothless Marxist Tiger.

Well duh

Posted: 10/30/2009 10:19:33 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Clinton the bag lady, makes another payoff and it's business as usual in the Banana Republic.

While Obama's style of corrupt, Chicago politics continues to infect the rest of the World.

No, I believe you might want to look at it from this angle.

Third-world politics are now being practiced in what's left of our Republic.

Posted: 11/3/2009 4:51:32 AM EDT

[#21]

Some new pictures I just came across........Way to go State.....

The
ousted President Zelaya of Honduras embraces Thomas Shannon, the US
Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, at the
Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa,

The
toppled Honduran President Zelaya, left, talks to Thomas Shannon, the
US Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, centre,
and Craig Kelly, the US State Department representative, after a
meeting at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

Honduras’s ousted President Zelaya signs the hat of a supporter that also bears the signature of Thomas Shannon, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, inside the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

Posted: 11/3/2009 7:11:09 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Some new pictures I just came across........Way to go State.....

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x35/ajinjax/Obama/honduras_hug_637471a.jpg

Theousted President Zelaya of Honduras embraces Thomas Shannon, the USAssistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, at theBrazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa,

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x35/ajinjax/Obama/honduras_shake_637464a.jpg

Thetoppled Honduran President Zelaya, left, talks to Thomas Shannon, theUS Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, centre,and Craig Kelly, the US State Department representative, after ameeting at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x35/ajinjax/Obama/honduras_hat_637475a.jpg

Honduras’s ousted President Zelaya signs the hat of a supporter that also bears the signature of Thomas Shannon, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, inside the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

Remember those names and remind me to never, ever, ever vote for them if they run for office.

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Deal Reached in Honduras to Restore Ousted President

The
ousted President Zelaya of Honduras embraces Thomas Shannon, the US
Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, at the
Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa,

The
toppled Honduran President Zelaya, left, talks to Thomas Shannon, the
US Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, centre,
and Craig Kelly, the US State Department representative, after a
meeting at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

Theousted President Zelaya of Honduras embraces Thomas Shannon, the USAssistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, at theBrazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa,

Thetoppled Honduran President Zelaya, left, talks to Thomas Shannon, theUS Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, centre,and Craig Kelly, the US State Department representative, after ameeting at the Brazilian Embassy in Tegucigalpa

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