Do you ever imagine yourself being a "leader"

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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:45:36 PM EDT

I watched the movie Terminator Salvation recently (was decent).

I remember the main character (Connor) he was the resistance leader and everyone looked up to him and wanted to meet him one day.

Do you sometimes dream of yourself being one of those leaders and everyone looking towards you for guidance?

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:46:40 PM EDT

[#1]

with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:46:57 PM EDT

[#2]

I cant wait to get my platoon.

Be competent and confident and people will look to you for leadership.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:47:15 PM EDT

[#3]

Uuuummm, no.

More comfortable being in the background providing long-range fire support

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:47:55 PM EDT

[#4]

Sort of. I fear not making the right decision at a critical moment.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:49:19 PM EDT

[#5]

This is one of the reasons I want to finish college and POSSIBLY join the military.

I can be an officer and lead my troops and make sure they are safe and pray to god we make the right decisions.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:49:41 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Sort of. I fear not making the right decision at a critical moment.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:50:14 PM EDT

[#7]

Being a leader increase grey hair production jst look at our past leaders.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:50:38 PM EDT

[#8]

I have, I could, and I would.

As for leading an uprising in a SHTF situation, mabey not.

I prefer fireteam size but I can do squad. Probably bigger

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:52:19 PM EDT

[#9]

No big deal on a small scale. I was a sergeant in the Air Force and had several people to manage. Now I have a few in a minor leadership role. Good people make it real easy.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:55:03 PM EDT

[#10]

It's no big deal after a while.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:55:10 PM EDT

[#11]

15 years, 4 months, and 1 day of active duty USMC. BTDT, multiple T-shirts too.

There's a LOT of leaders on this board. Some of them are quite impressive.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:57:25 PM EDT

[#12]

I've got balls of steel.

It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of gum.

ETA:

I sort of lead all the time. Problem is nobody follows.

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:57:57 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sort of. I fear not making the right decision at a critical moment.

Making any decision at the critical moment puts you far above most "leaders".

Posted: 9/18/2009 8:59:25 PM EDT

[#14]

No,I don't want to be a leader.

I'm more of a "leave me the hell alone" type of guy.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:00:21 PM EDT

[#15]

Some lead.
Some follow.

Then there's me.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:00:46 PM EDT

[#16]

No. I never did. I always saw myself as a grunt. I don't know how that all changed.

It is still fun (or stupid) to be point man with the scattergun.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:03:01 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

No big deal on a small scale. I was a sergeant in the Air Force and had several people to manage. Now I have a few in a minor leadership role. Good people make it real easy.

This.

I am so happy my joe's are not shitbags. They know how to fend for themselves. If they need me to help them with something, they come to me, otherwise they are largely self-sufficient.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:03:24 PM EDT

[#18]

The largest element I was in charge of was a Squad. I don't know if I would be good at being some type of political/religious leader, but I can manage a fighting unit.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:07:13 PM EDT

[#19]

I can be a leader but I prefer to only be one when I know everyone else can't do a better job for me.

Im the type of guy who volanteers when asked to do something though.

So I can step up to the plate if no one else will, but I prefer to leave it up to better trained people.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:14:47 PM EDT

[#20]

I think the point is more than leading the church choir. In the kind of situation that requires true leadership. The kind where ruthlessness and dominance rule. Animalistic to a point.

Not 99% of the population of managing an office or where written rules officiate.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:16:10 PM EDT

[#21]

No.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:17:56 PM EDT

[#22]

Authority comes from an outside source. Leadership comes from those willing to follow you.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:19:00 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
I can be a leader but I prefer to only be one when I know everyone else can't do a better job for me.

Yep, same.

I don't mind taking the leadership position, but I'm not one to seek it out. I'll grab it if no one else is taking it though, or if the person who has it is a fuckup and needs replacement.

I think I've done a very good job when in leadership roles; it's just that I don't like to take them unless nobody else can/will do the job.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:19:20 PM EDT

[#24]

When I know my job, yes.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:20:04 PM EDT

[#25]

Why do you keep posting dumb shit? I'm saying you're dumb, that would violate the CoC. I'm just saying that all the shit you posts happens to go full retard.

Want to be a leader? TRY HERE

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:20:20 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Best movie ever.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:21:15 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
When I know my job, yes.

What about a situation where someone has to step up? I mean the take charge of a scattered group of neighbors to repel the looters?

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:24:32 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Sort of. I fear not making the right decision at a critical moment.

Making any decision at the critical moment puts you far above most "leaders".

This. Just the ability to make any important decision in a critical moment, is more than most people can muster. Believe it or not, most people want to be led, so they don't have to make the hard decisions.

I'm not that way. I like to lead, and enjoy making decisions, when others can't or won't.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:30:30 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Genius!

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:33:32 PM EDT

[#30]

I have been a leader, and am pretty good at it.

Being a platoon leader was paperwork hell, but leading a squad or commanding a gun truck was awesome.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:36:15 PM EDT

[#31]

I've been a leader. I hated it. It involved a lot of kicking the asses of people who's sole purpose in life is finding ways out of doing their fucking job. On a good day I can barely run my own life, I don't want to run other people's.

I'll take loner over leader any day of the week.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:38:02 PM EDT

[#32]

Do you sometimes dream of yourself being one of those leaders and everyone looking towards you for guidance?

Yeah, because we all know the machines are coming!

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:39:13 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I've been a leader. I hated it. It involved a lot of kicking the asses of people who's sole purpose in life is finding ways out of doing their fucking job. On a good day I can barely run my own life, I don't want to run other people's.

I'll take loner over leader any day of the week.

No that is being a 'boss,' an appointed position. Not a leader. A leader is someone that people gravitate to.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:40:28 PM EDT

[#34]

I'm good platoon-sized

I'd like the shot at more, yea, I've thought about it.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:41:25 PM EDT

[#35]

My role in life is as a "follower." I am a team player and am not a leader. I know my place in life.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:43:35 PM EDT

[#36]

IMHO, the type of person that really wants to be a leader usually sucks at it. That person is interested only in their own success and is only interested in group success as a means of ego-stroking or as a platform for further individual advancement and gain. And the person that really doesn't want to be in charge but reluctantly takes over right before everything goes to shit is the person that leads well. That type primarily wants the group as a whole to succeed, which is really the key to the whole thing.

But I'll also say that the military is a different situation. With all the leadership training, it's less a matter of wanting power and more of a desire to excel at what you've been trained to do.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:45:25 PM EDT

[#37]

I'd like to talk a big game saying I could lead anyone through anything. The truth is I'm to afraid of failure. I can't picture myself being able to make the right decision in a stressful situation that would better the group. Put me by myself and I would fair better. I'm destined to be a sheep though

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:46:06 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
No big deal on a small scale. I was a sergeant in the Air Force and had several people to manage. Now I have a few in a minor leadership role. Good people make it real easy.

This

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:50:34 PM EDT

[#39]

I'm not a natural leader so much as a natural independent. When others do, I observe.

I usually get stuck as the team leader anyway, because no one else gives a shit.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:52:49 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Genius!

For real.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:55:39 PM EDT

[#41]

Currently a major and have been blessed with mostly good examples of leadership in both superiors and subordinates alike. By emulating them and learning from bad leadership examples is key. As a young PL I had a great PSG: professionalism, discpline, techincal and tactical competence, physical fitness, understanding imperfections but striving to fix them... Even though our roles were different, he was a postive influence I copied during both in my second PL and CO CMD jobs. I also had one of the best NCOs for a 1SG when I was a CO CDR. I was both loyal to my troops while supporting the BN leadership team. I would disagree in private on a professional level with and explain things to surperiors. Sometimes they agreed, sometimes I was told to execute. Generally they where mondain things. Somehow, news sometimes seemed to reach back to my NCOs before I made it baclk to the CO CP. I never told them about fighting the good fight, I think The NCO Chain of Conern is sometimes faster than the officer Chain of Command. A good leader will never say "the old man is wrong, but he said..." You go in like they were your ideas and support them to your guys. One of the proudest things I have on the "I Love Me" wall is a pistol (already had a saber), a model Colt Navy 1851. It was given to me the morning I left command by my NCOs. The plaque on it read: CPT (CPL) XXXXX XXXX, ALPHA 6, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, DEDICATION, CARE OF SOLDIERS AND PATIENCE. YOU WILL BE GREALY MISSED. They had paid for it and mounting themselves.The "CPL" part was because the 1SG/ NCO is not always supposed to be the jackass. Sometimes the officers have to play that role. The "patience" was accepting that sometimes frowned upon concept that soldiers are imperfect and handling things at my level when I could with NJP instead of pushing things up just to make points with my boss. The "greatly missed" line was because the guy that replaced me was a cock (although I never would say that to my soldiers). He had already put a target on his own back (not lierally) while he was doing his right seat ride.

Posted: 9/18/2009 9:59:49 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Uuuummm, no.

More comfortable being in the background providing long-range fire support

^This

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:02:21 PM EDT

[#43]

Never imagined it, lived it.

From quarterbacking midget league football to USMC and still going.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:02:36 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
I'd like to talk a big game saying I could lead anyone through anything. The truth is I'm to afraid of failure. I can't picture myself being able to make the right decision in a stressful situation that would better the group. Put me by myself and I would fair better. I'm destined to be a sheep though

Have faith in yourself, West Virginian.
MONTANI SEMPER LIBERI!

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:06:42 PM EDT

[#45]

Nah,

Not much chance of that being how I'm just an E-9.

That's not a pineapple son, it's a bursting bomb.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:12:06 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Genius!

For real.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:24:47 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I'd like to talk a big game saying I could lead anyone through anything. The truth is I'm to afraid of failure. I can't picture myself being able to make the right decision in a stressful situation that would better the group. Put me by myself and I would fair better. I'm destined to be a sheep though

Have faith in yourself, West Virginian.

MONTANI SEMPER LIBERI!

I did for a while. Got into a job that was mostly run by more experienced people but had a chance to "run the show". That lasted about a week before i realized the bad decisions I was making. Voluntarily stepped down.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:35:38 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Sort of. I fear not making the right decision at a critical moment.

I think this is the reason the military produces great leaders - followers see stupid leaders mak terrible decisions that succeed through boldness or competence of subordinates. Quickly one learns to go forth with confidence and reliance on those around you.

Fear not making an imperfect decision at a critical moment - indecision is far worse.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:51:15 PM EDT

[#49]

I would prefer to be an independant, make my own rules kind of guy.

I don't work well with incompetent "leaders" if they are making bad decisions, but I have no desire for "power" over others, only the power to keep others from making me do things I don't want to do.

Posted: 9/18/2009 10:54:03 PM EDT

[#50]

In all honesty.

One will not know until the time to make the call comes.

And that is a fact.

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