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Posted: 1/19/2002 9:56:39 AM EDT

Drop Seen in Calif. Gun-Buying
12/12/2001

After spiking following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, gun sales have declined in California, the Contra Costa Times reported Dec. 10.

Statistics from the California Department of Justice show that gun sales for 2001 may fall well below sales in 2000, and may be at their lowest level since the state started tracking sales in 1972.

"For about six weeks after Sept. 11 we definitely saw an increase, but since then it's less than last year overall," said Mike Van Winkle, a spokesman for the state Department of Justice.

Van Winkle said that after Sept. 11, weekly gun sales jumped 50 percent, but sales peaked the week of Sept. 17 and have declined steadily since then. Last week, firearm sales rose slightly with the start of the holiday gun-buying season.

According to Van Winkle, the big gun-buying periods are "late summer and early fall, because the hunters are out there gearing up, and then again as soon as the holidays come. This is when guns and everything else are bought."

But compared with the same period last year, gun sales were down 25 percent for the past two weeks. While gun dealers attribute the decline to [b]state and local restrictions[/b], anti-gun groups say it is a result of a continued shift in attitudes and demographics away from firearm ownership. Luis Tolley, Western director of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said California is growing more [b]racially diverse[/b] and less rural.

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Posted: 1/19/2002 10:03:27 AM EDT

[#1]

There's always been a racial component to the Anti's attempts to limit our freedoms.
Many of the early anti-gun laws were overtly racist.
This leopard hasn't lost its spots.

Posted: 1/19/2002 10:09:57 AM EDT

[#2]

Well minority gun purchases dropped only cause this Filipino moved out of CA [:D] As soon as I get another job and start making $$$ again, minority gun sales in TX will increase.

Posted: 1/19/2002 10:33:37 AM EDT

[#3]

God, another MMF march....

Posted: 1/19/2002 10:43:17 AM EDT

[#4]

I heard a few years ago, that so many more people were leaving California than moving to it, that U Haul had to actually use railroads to ship back their trucks and trailers to Kali.

If that is true, than you would expect the number of gun purchases to go down also. You can never get the whole story from commie DemoDogs, never.

Posted: 1/19/2002 12:21:03 PM EDT

[#5]

You are all missing the point - how many guns have passed the Caliban's safety tests and are currently legal for sale in the state?

California made it [i]harder[/i] to buy guns, so fewer people would bother with it.

All part of the long term plan, ladies and gentlemen - if you cannot ban them, make it progressively harder to acquire, and then keep them. "Safe Storage" laws, magazine bans, transportation restrictions, etc. Eventually only those willing to jump through increasingly smaller and more numerous hoops will have them. And you will have a de-facto, if not literal ban.

See England. Population of 50,000,000. When they finally got around to banning handguns after 70 years of progressively more draconian laws, they took only 163,000 from the few people who still had them. That's one handgun for about every 300 Britons. The ratio here is about one for every 4 Americans. If you don't have a handgun, just how interested are [i]you[/i] going to be in whether or not the government bans [i]someone elses[/i]???

And you'll note, the ban didn't touch the ones in illicit circulation.

The Several Hundred Thousand Moms chant is: "England can do it! Australia can do it! We can too!" Not here, baby. Not here.

Posted: 1/19/2002 12:26:03 PM EDT

[#6]

The Several Hundred Thousand Moms chant is: "England can do it! Australia can do it! We can too!" Not here, baby. Not here.

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... Whooo Ahhhhhh [b]KBaker[/b], I got yer six

Posted: 1/19/2002 12:33:23 PM EDT

[#7]

Damn... I didn't know I was white.

Learn something everyday I guess. [:\]

Posted: 1/19/2002 1:49:23 PM EDT

[#8]

Well, I guess I ought to go buy some guns, since I'm Jewish. That'll help it. Hey wait, how do they know...

Posted: 1/19/2002 1:59:12 PM EDT

[#9]

I feel bad for all you guys (and gals) behind the lines in occupied Kali. It must suck, living in such a liberal state. Of course, my state isn't much better. In two years, CT will have the same asinine laws you have. They tried banning virtually every semi-auto last year, but it didn't get out of committee.

The libs won't be so easy in '03.

Posted: 1/19/2002 5:02:35 PM EDT

[#10]

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In two years, CT will have the same asinine laws you have. They tried banning virtually every semi-auto last year, but it didn't get out of committee.
The libs won't be so easy in '03.

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which is why i gave up my job rather than relocate to Hartford. nice state, too bad. guess i'm just spoiled.

Posted: 1/19/2002 5:17:03 PM EDT

[#11]

Wasn't there a movie, that takes place in the future, where all of california is a jail??? I'm serious too, can some one remember the movie?? It has Kurt Russel in it. Maby escape from LA??

Posted: 1/19/2002 5:26:37 PM EDT

[#12]

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Wasn't there a movie, that takes place in the future, where all of california is a jail??? I'm serious too, can some one remember the movie?? It has Kurt Russel in it. Maby escape from LA??

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Yep, "Escape from LA". Didn't seem to be any shortage of guns in the movie! ;-)

Here in NC, my buddy owns a large gun store. He said that '01 was his best year ever for sales. Sales were up before 9/11, but then the liberals moved in and cleaned the shelves. All the regulars did was buy ammo by the pallet.

Posted: 1/20/2002 6:46:42 AM EDT

[#13]

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California made it [i]harder[/i] to buy guns, so fewer people would bother with it.

All part of the long term plan, ladies and gentlemen - if you cannot ban them, make it progressively harder to acquire, and then keep them. "Safe Storage" laws, magazine bans, transportation restrictions, etc. Eventually only those willing to jump through increasingly smaller and more numerous hoops will have them. And you will have a de-facto, if not literal ban.

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Exactly, and moreover, there will be fewer gun-owning voters who will object to the ultimate gun ban, and fewer voters who are friends of gun owners, and...

Posted: 1/20/2002 6:54:21 AM EDT

[#14]

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But compared with the same period last year, gun sales were down 25 percent for the past two weeks. While gun dealers attribute the decline to [b]state and local restrictions[/b], anti-gun groups say it is a result of a continued shift in attitudes and demographics away from firearm ownership. Luis Tolley, Western director of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said California is growing more [b]racially diverse[/b] and less rural.

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This is, of course, the gross generalization that only the gun banners are capable of. I know plenty of gun owning minorities. And strangely enough, the minorities that I know who don't own guns are less anti-gun that the white liberals that I know.

However, there is a germ of truth in the MMM statement, and it is something that we need to address. Mostly for historical reasons, there are groups of Americans who have not been exposed to guns. Women and some minorities come to mind. The best protection for our RKBA is in the body of the people and the cheapest effective way to advance it is to take new people shooting. If you are serious about protecting the RKBA, you should try and take 5-10 new people to the range [b]every year[/b]. As you do so, try and make some inroads into the ranks of women and minorities. Since they and their demographic peers have rarely been exposed to the fun and benefits of lawful gun ownership, you will get extra mileage for your efforts.

Posted: 1/20/2002 6:56:09 AM EDT

[#15]

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Well minority gun purchases dropped only cause this Filipino moved out of CA [:D] As soon as I get another job and start making $$$ again, minority gun sales in TX will increase.

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I don't know what your mother and father told you that you were, but since you've purchased firearms, I'm afraid we will have to declare you "Whitey". So sorry, it can't be helped.

Next, please. [;)]

Posted: 1/20/2002 7:10:43 AM EDT

[#16]

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However, there is a germ of truth in the MMM statement, and it is something that we need to address. Mostly for historical reasons, there are groups of Americans who have not been exposed to guns. Women and some minorities come to mind. The best protection for our RKBA is in the body of the people and the cheapest effective way to advance it is to take new people shooting. If you are serious about protecting the RKBA, you should try and take 5-10 new people to the range [b]every year[/b]. As you do so, try and make some inroads into the ranks of women and minorities. Since they and their demographic peers have rarely been exposed to the fun and benefits of lawful gun ownership, you will get extra mileage for your efforts.

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Excellent point. At the last range meeting I attended the audience consisted of middle-aged white males, and two white women. But when we actively try to attract women and minorities into the shooting sports, the gun-control freaks accuse us of evil intent - after all, guns are bad. We're "pushers of death" trying to "frighten women" or "hoodwink minorities" into gun ownership.

Can't win either way with them, so I say recruit a woman or member of a minority today! Take someone shooting! Do it now, or lose the right tomorrow. Education has a remarkable effect on the fearful. The rank of gun owners in this nation is decreasing. Time to change the trend.

Posted: 1/20/2002 8:58:33 AM EDT

[#17]

The big shift is from rural to urban populations.

Rural people get positive exposures to firearms. Be it hunting or target shooting with a father, older brother or uncle. Even the scouts.

Urban populations see guns in the hands of the gangbangers and the cops - but not in ordinary peoples hands. There aren't any ranges within a casual drive and the only hunting that goes on is for drugs or bargins at the swap meet.

Posted: 1/20/2002 9:06:29 AM EDT

[#18]

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Damn... I didn't know I was white.

Learn something everyday I guess. [:\]

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Same Here! Whatdaya know?!?!?!

Gomer Pyle - [I]Suprise, Suprise, Suprise[/I]

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Posted: 1/20/2002 10:12:25 AM EDT

[#19]

Paul nailed this one to the barn door and has spoken the gospel.

I just returned from an Indian Guides ( sorry now the YMCA has changed it the more PC Y Guides ) campout at Camp Fitch in Erie, PA. One of the programs is of course .22 rifle shooting. No Prob for most. But I did notice that one of our group was a bit nervous letting his son shoot. The kid is good friends with my son but I'm guessing at this point watching Dad fidget that he didn't grow up in a shooting family. After my boy finished off his row of metallic silloutes it was his friends turn to shoot. The look on Dad's face was akin to nausia. The kid did fine, only hit two out of twelve but clearly had fun.

I talked with Dad about it after as he could see I knew about this sort of thing. I told him I had started shooting at about 7 and that My boy had too. I explained that we neither hunt, nor have any desire to harm anyone. It is a sport for which many enjoyable family hours can be spent. Some kids locally even get full college scholarships for their shooting skills. He told me he had grown up in the city and good people just didn't own guns. It was outside the scope of his experience. I left it with offering to take him with us to the club on a weekend. He could shoot one of mine and see if he liked it. Every kid should learn firearms safety and gun handling. I think it teaches a level of personal responsibility that we rarely see anymore.

I also noticed that the kids of all ethnicities going through this program seem to be more responsible and polite. Guess the reward of being trusted is worth the effort of being responsible.

Posted: 1/20/2002 11:04:29 AM EDT

[#20]

KBaker's got it down. Right now the antis don't have the numbers or political muscle for an outright ban. Give them 30 years or so of fewer and fewer people being exposed to and interested in guns, and the situation will change. They'll go for the latest ban, and there won't be enough interested people around to stop them. Don't the antis even have a name for this? "Changing America's gun culture" or some other such nonsense.

Small example: Over the holidays I went for one of those three-day cruises with The Little Woman, to Mexico. I was looking forward to shooting trap off the stern of the ship. This was a great way to expose urban vacationers who never had shot trap before to the sport (and guns overall) for the first time. But the cruise line (Carnival) had "taken the guns off the boat."

I hate Pink Floyd, but I will quote them anyway, "All in all it's just another brick in the wall . . ."

Posted: 1/20/2002 12:29:23 PM EDT

[#21]

Funny thing is, in the inner Bay Area at least, the minorities are probably more inclined to be armed than Whitey. At the gun store, I see equal numbers of Asians, Black, Hispanics, etc., buying guns. Get into the burbs and it's mostly Whitely, but that's only because that area is predominantly White.

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