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The South did win.  Have you ever spent time in any Yankee shithole city?  The Winters long, Women are homely, Liberals run everything, taxes are high.

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I will. I thank you and Sir hack for the suggestion.

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What if the Kaiser, Hitler, or the Japanese had won?

Bad things happen when the bad guys win.

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Obama wouldn't be president right now, that much is certain.

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 I would have a plantation instead of a house?

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I believe that they would have reunited as the cultures were still relatively similar and they were routed in a common history. One thing is for certain though, it would have assured victory for the dominion of the states over the federal government. The victory of the north was the real beginning of the "big federal government".

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I think this about covers it:

If The South Would a Won

Hank Williams Jr.

If the south would a won we would a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday.
If the south would a won we would a had it made.
I'd make my supreme court down in Texas and we wouldn't have no killers getting off free.
If they were proven guilty then they would swing quickly,
instead of writing' books and smiling' on T.V.
We'd all learn Cajun cooking' in Louisiana
and I'd put that capital back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track, 'cause we'd take Miami back
and throw all them pushers in the slammer.

Oh if the south would a won we would a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
The day young Skynyrd died, we'd show our southern pride.
If the south would a won we would a had it made.
"Play a little Dixieland boys. Ah yes!"

I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee
and all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
and I'd put Hank Williams picture on one hundred dollar bill.
I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's
and I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl child sent to Georgia to learn to smile
and talk with that southern accent that drives men wild.
I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia, 'cause they sure can make 'em sound so fine.
I'm going up on Wolver ton Mountain and see ole Clifton Cowers and have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.

Hey if the south would a won we'd a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday.
If the south would a won we'd a had it made.
Olay he he he . I said if the south would a won we would a had it made!

Might even be better off!

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I believe that they would have reunited as the cultures were still relatively similar and they were routed in a common history. One thing is for certain though, it would have assured victory for the dominion of the states over the federal government. The victory of the north was the real beginning of the "big federal government".

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Would they still be requiring internal passports for travel?  Would they allow blacks to serve as soldiers in their military or still restrict them to support roles?

Blacks Who Fought For the South

     Most historical accounts portray Southern blacks as anxiously awaiting President Abraham Lincoln's "liberty-dispensing troops" marching south in the War Between the States. But there's more to the story; let's look at it.
       Black Confederate military units, both as freemen and slaves, fought federal troops. Louisiana free blacks gave their reason for fighting in a letter written to New Orleans' Daily Delta: "The free colored population love their home, their property, their own slaves and recognize no other country than Louisiana, and are ready to shed their blood for her defense. They have no sympathy for Abolitionism; no love for the North, but they have plenty for Louisiana. They will fight for her in 1861 as they fought in 1814-15." As to bravery, one black scolded the commanding general of the state militia, saying, "Pardon me, general, but the only cowardly blood we have got in our veins is the white blood."
       Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest had slaves and freemen serving in units under his command. After the war, Forrest said of the black men who served under him, "These boys stayed with me.. - and better Confederates did not live." Articles in "Black Southerners in Gray," edited by Richard Rollins, gives numerous accounts of blacks serving as fighting men or servants in every battle from Gettysburg to Vicksburg.
       Professor Ed Smith, director of American Studies at American University, says Stonewall Jackson had 3,000 fully equipped black troops scattered throughout his corps at Antietam - the war's bloodiest battle. Mr. Smith calculates that between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity. They fought for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward: "to position themselves. They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded."
       Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit. Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
       Lincoln waged war to "preserve the Union". The 1783 peace agreement with England (Treaty of Paris] left 13 sovereign nations. They came together in 1787, as principals, to create a federal government, as their agent, giving it specific delegated authority -specified in our Constitution. Principals always retain the right to fire their agent. The South acted on that right when it seceded. Its firing on Fort Sumter, federal property, gave Lincoln the pretext needed for the war.
       The War Between the States, through force of arms, settled the question of secession, enabling the federal government to run roughshod over states' rights specified by the Constitution's 10th Amendment.
      Sons of Confederate Veterans is a group dedicated to giving a truer account of the War Between the States. I'd like to see it erect on Richmond's Monument Avenue a statue of one of the thousands of black Confederate soldiers.

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The South got the karmic retribution for slavery. The US is still getting the fallout from that 3/5 person rule in the Constitution. If the South had won, life would have been hell for everyone untill the end.

Stop trying to revise history; its dangerous.

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he already posted on his troll account from China  

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All be unemplyed w/ a bunch of shit in our yards?

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If the South had won? Two words

No Beans

in on one

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Both would have been open to foreign exploitation.

The CSA, with its tyrannical government, would have been the first to fall to internal strife.

The USA would have become heavily dependent on foreign nations to buy its goods.

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Interesting question worthy of intelligent discussion. Hard to do that here.

I would like to know.

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Harry Turtledove has an entire series based on this assumption.  No matter which 'side' you're on, they make for interesting reading.

SirHacksalot

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I'd be kicked back sippin on a mint julep right now

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If the South had won the war, or better yet, there was no war, North and South just seperated peacefully.
Do you think there would still be USA/CSA, or would we have eventually reunited something like East and West Germany did?

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You are 100% right.

See present-day America.

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We wouldn't be talking about it on AR15.com right now.  The AR was a northern invention.  Modern machining as we know it was born in the CT river valley

In all seriousness, "what if this had happened" questions are retarded.  NOBODY has any idea what would or could have happened.  We could have been 10x stronger and more prosperous than we are now or we could have spun into a 3rd world country.  Nobody knows.  Not those who write songs about it, not those who write books about it.

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+1 Check out Thomas J Dilorenzo's The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked and you will see who the real bad guys were and what the War was really about.  The Lincoln cult is strong

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If the South had won the war.....

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Interesting question worthy of intelligent discussion. Hard to do that here.

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You have it pegged.



The secession of South Carolina was a wake up call for the Republic that the Federal government was getting out of control and State’s rights were being trampled.  Lincoln only got 39% of the vote and it was mostly from Northeasterners.



Lincoln’s dirty little war killed over a million people and it shouldn’t have been that way.  The states should have seceded and the problems worked out over time.  Remember that four of the states didn’t even secede until Lincoln announced that he was going to send troops to kill Americans and to destroy American cities.  For instance, Tennessee first voted not to secede and then changed its mind with the announcement of Lincoln of the invasion.



I suspect that had there been no war all the issues would have been worked out within 20 years or so and the states would have come back together.  Slavery was going away worldwide and there was as large an anti slavery movement in the South as there was in the North.  Economics would have put an end to slavery without the bloodshed of a millions Americans.



I think we would have been better off with the secession.  Even if the Southern States had remained separate the two countries would have formed economic and probably military alliances.  At least the people in the Confederacy would have lived freer lives than the big government Northerners.  If I remember correctly the Confederate Constitution even put restrictions on the size of the Federal government.

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You have it pegged.

The secession of South Carolina was a wake up call for the Republic that the Federal government was getting out of control and State’s rights were being trampled.  Lincoln only got 39% of the vote and it was mostly from Northeasterners.

Lincoln’s dirty little war killed over a million people and it shouldn’t have been that way.  The states should have seceded and the problems worked out over time.  Remember that four of the states didn’t even secede until Lincoln announced that he was going to send troops to kill Americans and to destroy American cities.  For instance, Tennessee first voted not to secede and then changed its mind with the announcement of Lincoln of the invasion.

I suspect that had there been no war all the issues would have been worked out within 20 years or so and the states would have come back together.  Slavery was going away worldwide and there was as large an anti slavery movement in the South as there was in the North.  Economics would have put an end to slavery without the bloodshed of a millions Americans.

I think we would have been better off with the secession.  Even if the Southern States had remained separate the two countries would have formed economic and probably military alliances.  At least the people in the Confederacy would have lived freer lives than the big government Northerners.  If I remember correctly the Confederate Constitution even put restrictions on the size of the Federal government.

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The country sure wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

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The South did win.  Have you ever spent time in any Yankee shithole city?  The Winters long, Women are homely, Liberals run everything, taxes are high.

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Lincoln's war, you sound like one the liberals spouting about Bush's war. You bomb a Federal fort into submission and you expect no Federal response? Try it today and see what happens.
I suppose you think we were wrong to invade Afghanistan after 9/11 also.

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Do you realize what you have just done?