A friend of mine (X-navy seal)sent this letter he found on the web. I don't know the point of origin, But here it is for you to examine and give your thoughts on it. I don't know what to think about it and will leave it up to you.

>MORE PROOF
>
>Greetings dear brothers & sisters, I would like to share with you an
>interesting document I found with regards to the terror attack on New York
>and Washington.  Please read it patiently and with care, it raises
>interesting questions.  More about the subject in near future messages.
>
>What was known BEFORE the attack - and by whom?
>1) Echelon Gave Authorities 3 Month Warning of Attacks - German Paper:
>Frankfurt, Germany - U.S.  and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning
>signals at least three months ago that terrorists were planning to hijack
>commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American
>culture, according to a story in Germany's daily Frankfurter Allgemeine
>Zeiung (FAZ).  Newsbytes.com
>
>2) U.S.  planned to attack Taliban BEFORE WTC/Pentagon Attacks: A former
>Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the U.S.  was planning military
>action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last week's
>attacks.  Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior
>American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would
>go ahead by the middle of October.  (BBC News 9-18-01)
>

>3) Expert - Russia Knew In Advance...Encouraged Citizens to Cash Out Dollars:
>Russian press accounts and other activities by the Russian government this
>summer indicate that the Russians knew in advance that something would happen
>to America, including a "financial attack" against the U.S.  During the past
>three months, Russian media and officials have encouraged citizens to cash
>out of U.S.  dollars pending an economic collapse there after an "attack."
>(NewsMax.com 9-17-01)
>
>4) FBI tracked man in custody 2 weeks before attacks:"Two weeks before the
>terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C., FBI agents were at a
>flight school in Oklahoma asking questions about a man now suspected of
>having a link to those attacks", according to CNN.  "The fact that FBI agents
>were at the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, two weeks before any
>attacks would seem to contradict the agency's assertion that it was not aware
>of any connection between aviation schools and suspected terrorists.  FBI
>Director Robert Mueller has stated publicly, "There were NO warning signs
>that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country,"
>(CNN.com 9-18-01)
>SOMEBODY IS LYING!
>
>5) U.S.  Pulled Plug on 500 Arab/Muslim Websites the Day BEFORE Jetliner
>Attacks: Five hundred websites - many of them with an Arab or Muslim
>connection - crashed when an anti-terrorism task force raided InfoCom
>Corporation in Texas.  The 80-strong task force that descended upon the IT
>company included FBI agents, Secret Service agents, Diplomatic Security
>agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department>
>of commerce officials and computer experts.  (Brian Whitaker 9-12-01)
>
>6) U.S.  was warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings: The
>FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes
>and slam them into the Pentagon, The CIA headquarters and other buildings,
>Philippine investigators told CNN.  The plan was termed Project Bojinka.
>(Manila, Philippines CNN 9-18-01)
>
>7) "U.S.  Government Had Prior Knowledge of Emergency: The most massive
>so-called "terrorist" attacks on U.S.  soil since the Oklahoma City bombings
>of 1995, were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA.  Among the
>foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were the French CIA
>and Israel's The Mossad, units of both often working with one another.
>"Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story.  And they
>state that they informed the U.S.  secret police who absolutely failed,
>neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of
>which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance."
>(www.skolnicksreport.com 9-13-01) HOW INTERESTING!
>
>8) Spy in the White House?  "Terrorists" had Ultra Secret Codes on 911:
>(DEBKA Intelligence Files 9-22-01)
>

>9) More Unusual Market Activity Reported BEFORE Attacks: "Chicago traders on
>Wednesday cited unusual activity in airline options up to a month before
>attacks on U.S.  landmarks, and German bankers reported brisk activity in
>reinsurer Munich Re shares, adding to speculation that those behind the
>attacks tried to profit from their acts.  (Reuters 9-20-01).  So how come
>EVERYONE else knew this was going to happen?  Why would the U.S.refuse to
>investigate when told, unless it was their own plan all along?  BIG CLUE!!
>Why did the Towers IMPLODE instead of EXPLODE?  The towers came down as
>gracefully as a fountain of water.  "Too methodical to be a chance result of
>airplanes colliding with the structures" said Van Romero, vice president for
>research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.  "My opinion is
>that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive
>devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero
>said.  Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and
>Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of
>explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.  The Towers IMPLODED!
>  They did NOT explode!  A fuel fire causes an EXplosion, not an IMplosion.
>Explosions explode OUT.  Implosions, implode IN!  IMPLOSIONS can ONLY occur
>with immense planning by a highly skilled group of craftsmen educated in the
>unique skill of demolishing buildings by strategically placing explosive
>devices within the building.  This requires many experts, much time and
>significant access to the building beforehand.  The skill of implosion of
>buildings was developed primarily to demolish buildings in areas of high
>building density, so the destruction of the structure will not cause damage
>to the surrounding buildings In addition, the towers came down long after the
>planes struck.  To suggest that fuel dumping from the airplanes caused a fire
>hot enough to melt the inner structure is ludicrous.  First of all, who can
>prove the planes dumped all of their fuel into the core of the building?
>Second, why did the fuel take so long to catch fire?  Third, fuel-fires cause
>EXplosions, NOT IMplosions!  Fourth, the structure was built to withstand
>temperatures of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the architect and
>designer of the building, a man who is now deceased, but who preserved this
>nugget of information in an interview he recorded in 1998.  Hyman Brown, a
>University of Colorado civil engineering professor and the World Trade
>Center's construction manager, watched in confusion as the towers came down.
>"It was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high
>winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it," he said.  (Scripps Howard News
>Service 9-11,01 and 9-12-01)
>So, why was it necessary to implode the whole structure?  To eliminate
>evidence, just as was done to the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, before
>the forensic specialists could get in to examine the evidence

Just like the
>Branch Davidian compound at Waco was bulldozed by the government before any
>evidence could be examined.  Conclusion: This was a highly skilled endeavor
>by a large group of well-trained people with access to the buildings, the
>airplanes and the explosives.  They would have had to blend into the
>population and not look suspicious.
>Question: Who would have these qualifications?
>Certainly not a large group of Arab "terrorists"!  Where are the
>"Indestructible" Black Boxes?  All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed
>and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed
>specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions.  In
>fact there are reported to be TWO Black Boxes on each plane, but apparently
>ALL EIGHT of the Black Boxes are completely destroyed.  Strange indeed!  ABC
>News Reports: The Black Box is "ALMOST INDESTRUCTIBLE.  IT IS DESIGNED TO
>WITHSTAND HEAT OF UP TO 2,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT FOR ONE HOUR, salt water for
>at least 30 days, immersion in a variety of liquids such as jet fuel and
>lubricants, AND AN IMPACT OF 3,400 G's.  By comparison, astronauts are
>typically exposed to up to six Gs during a shuttle takeoff."
>Yet CNN reported that "In New York, several blocks from the ruins of the
>World Trade Center, a passport authorities said belonged to one of the
>hijackers was discovered a few days ago, according to city Police
>Commissioner Bernard Kerik."
>The paper passport apparently survived intact!  The "indestructible" Black
>Boxes were destroyed!  Hmmm!
>Who Has Claimed Responsibility?  Within HOURS after the attack the U.S.  was
>aggressively touting Osama bin Laden as the "terrorist" responsible for this
>dastardly deed.  As one writer to a popular website noted, "I find it
>laughable that the agency notorious for its inability to find a bleeding
>elephant in a snowbank suddenly (within hours of the attack) has the culprit
>pinpointed!" The media continuously whips up the public to indiscriminate
>hatred of almost any Arab.  On radio, on TV, in the newspapers and in
>magazines, all one hears or reads is HATE towards Osama bin Laden, or any
>other Muslim.  The Globe, a well-known grocery store rag, contains pictures
>of Osama Bin Laden with rifle "cross-hairs" targeted over his face and a
>soldier in fatigues pointing an automatic rifle at his head.  Yet these same
>media outlets pompously demand the elimination of "hate!"
>It is USUAL and CUSTOMARY for Terrorist groups to claim responsibility for an
>attack.  Yet no such claim has been made.  Osama bin Laden says he didn't do
>it.  "We have been blamed in the past, but we were not involved," he said.
>(The Guardian - London 9-17-01) "Egyptian President Mubarak still has not
>seen bin Laden proof," according to a Paris AFP report.  "Egyptian President
>Hosni Mubarak says he has not seen any proof of Osama bin Laden being "the
>brains" behind the terrorist attacks on the United States and warns
>Washington against over-hasty reprisals

in a newspaper interview published
>on 9-24-01.  Saddam Hussein, in a letter to the American People noted that
>"when the event took place, Arab rulers and the rulers of countries whose
>religions is Islam, rushed to condemn the event." (Iraqi News Agency 916-01)
>There are even reports that Osama bin Laden has been, and may still now be,
>an operative of the U.S.  CIA.  And now, according to The Washington Post
>(9-25-01), The U.S.  is now "Unsure" of Going Public with the "Proof" of
>Osama bin Laden's responsibility for the "terrorist" attack.  With the U.S.
>public, and other nations, demanding proof, the Bush administration is hiding
>behind the cloak of "National Security." Secretary of State Colin Powell
>promised that the U.S.  "soon" would "put out a paper.  .  that will describe
>quite clearly the evidence that we have linking" bin Laden to the attacks on
>the World Trade Center and Pentagon.  But Rep.  Porter Goss (R-Fla), chairman
>off the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said that the
>administration cannot present its full case "without revealing some sources
>and methods that we would not want to reveal." HOW INTERESTING AND CONVENIENT
>FOR THEM!  Now Let's Consider - Are There Other Countries, besides the Arabs,
>who have ever been involved in terrorism?
>According to the Washington Report, "In 1967 on the fourth day of the Six Day
>War, the armed forces of Israel attacked the American intelligence ship USS
>Liberty for 90 minutes in international waters in broad daylight following
>several hours of close, low-level reconnaissance.  Thirty-four men died, 171
>were hurt, and the ship was so badly damaged that it had to be scrapped.  The
>government of Israel has lied about the circumstances ever since, telling a
>story markedly different from that told by American survivors.  Congress has
>refused to question Israel's demonstrably false account.  Why would Israel
>risk alienating its American friends?
>
>Why did Israel attack?  According to eyewitness accounts by Israeli officers
>and journalists, the Israeli Army executed as many as 1,000 Arab prisoners
>during the 1967 war.  Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in
>Israel that he witnessed Israeli troops executing Egyptian prisoners on the
>morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai town of El Arish, including about 150
>Egyptian POWs.  They made the prisoners dig their own graves then they were
>shot as they stood at the edge of the grave.  As those executions were
>underway, America's most sophisticated intelligence platform, USS Liberty,
>was less than 13 miles from El Arish, close enough to see the town mosque
>with the naked eye.  With binoculars one could make out individual buildings
>and might have seen the executions if one had looked in the right place.  The
>attack on the USS Liberty lasted 75 minutes.  It was not brief nor accidental
>as Israel claims.  The Israelis wantonly destroyed life rafts in the water
>and they jammed international radio distress frequencies while Americans, who
>might have been saved, died!  The United States is no stranger to
>perpetrating acts of terrorism against other countries.  The U.S.  bombed
>Iraq unmercifully during the Gulf War.  Thousands of private citizens were
>slaughtered.  Then a deadly embargo was put in place to destroy them slowly
>by illness and starvation.  What was the crime of the common people?  

The
>U.S.  CIA has also been involved in covert wars all over the globe, raping
>and pillaging entire economies of Central American and other countries.  In
>addition, the U.S.  is not above turning on its own citizens with vengeance.
>FDR Knew About Pearl Harbor: John Flynn made a sound case for Roosevelt's
>foreknowledge in 1946, the historian Charles Beard confirmed it in 1948 with
>his book FDR and the Coming of the War 1941.  John Toland told the story in
>Infamy in the early 1980s, and John Stinnett followed with Day of Deceit.
>They all understood FDR's manipulation of, and complicity in, the attack on
>Pearl Harbor.  It was done to incite the U.S.  citizens to hate the Japanese
>and push them to support the U.S.  entry into World War II.
>
>And it worked beautifully!  Americans willingly gave their own lives and the
>lives of their sons to fight a war that had nothing to do with them.  FDR
>knew in advance of the attack on Pearl Harbor.  Not only did he refuse to
>stop it, he encouraged it by his manipulative treatment of Japan prior to the
>attack, and his stationing of ships in the Hawaiian port, an easy target for
>the Japanese.  (Antiwar.com) It worked magnificently then - and it is working
>magnificently now!  Other acts of violence that must be considered are: The
>Randy Weaver family killings by the U.S.  government in Idaho, the Waco
>horror where the U.S.  shot, bulldozed and set on fire its own citizens, and
>the Oklahoma bombing, where there is abundant information pointing to U.S.
>Government involvement.  Why would a government plan an attack its own
>citizens, while blaming another?
>What would it have to gain?
>The answer is: EVERYTHING!
>Go back and review what has happened SINCE the attack:
>
>The U.S.  Government has dramatically increased its control over the American
>population while destroying the rights of the people, a situation necessary
>for the takeover of the U.S.  and eventually, all other countries, by the New
>World Order to be run by the United Nations.  And they're doing it with the
>citizens' complete support.
>

>"The President has the power to seize property, organize and control the
>means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, call
>reserve forces amounting to 2 1/2 million men to duty, institute martial law,
>seize and control all means of transportation, regulate all private
>enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control
>the lives of ALL Americans...While the danger of a dictatorship arising
>through legal means may seem remote to us today..."
>
>--A Joint Statement by Senators Frank Church (D-ID) and Charles McMathias
>(R-MD) September 30, 1973.  HOW PROPHETIC!  A SURE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP!
>
>U.S.  Attorney General John Ashcroft Seeks Sweeping Powers!
>"The United States will remain vulnerable to terrorist attacks unless law
>enforcement agencies are given a wide range of new counterterrorism tools,
>including improved wiretap capabilities and easier access to voice mail and
>Internet user's personal information, Attorney General John Ashcroft told
>lawmakers Monday." (MSNBC 9-25-01)
>
>A third of New Yorkers support internment camps (concentration camps) for
>"individuals who authorities identify as being sympathetic to terrorist
>causes," according to a poll form the Siena College Research Institute.
>(Newsday.com 9-25-01) (Remember that President Bush has said that if you
>don't support the U.S.  government 100% in their handling of this situation -
>- - YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE TERRORISTS!)
>Public Opinion has overwhelming turned from support for the Arabs and against
>Israel, to supporting Israel and their ally, the U.S.  and hatred against the
>Arab countries.
>And now the U.S.  has the support of the entire nation, and much of the
>world, for its unrestrained unleashing of vengeance on ANY and EVERY Arab
>nation.  But it's not surprising that the U.S.  and Israel are the ONLY
>countries where the majority backs a military strike (Reuters 9-22-01).
>
> >From Stern.Intel: Israeli Mossad Links to World Trade Center Attack: "A U.S.
>military intelligence source revealed details of an internal intelligence
>memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence service having links to
>the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks...
>"The attacks have certainly turned U.S.  public opinion firmly back in
>Israel's favor after eleven months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism
>of Israel over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in
>Durban."
>
>Lebanese Druze Leader Believes CIA, Mossad Responsible for U.S.  Attacks!
>Lebanon's anti-Syrian Druze leader Walid Jumblatt believes the CIA and
>Israel's secret service Mossad are behind the terrorist attacks in the United
>States, and that Saudi extremist Osama bin Laden is an "American agent,"
>newspaper reports said.  (Beirut AFP 9-15-01)
>
>Fake Terror has been the Road to Dictatorship for thousands of years.  It's
>the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times.  Create the enemies
>you need!  A wise philosopher has unveiled the irony of it all:
>"To restore our freedom, we will need to be deprived of it.  To recover from
>senseless murder, we will need to perpetrate more of it," or so says the
>President.
>
>So, Who's Responsible? The Answer is: Who Benefits? You figure it out!
>
>-----------------------------------
>A Christian Patriot
>      Hosea 4:6

Just like alot of the other post 9/11 hoaxs there is some truth in just about anything, but the buildings did not implode. It takes months for demolition teams to prepare large buildings for that, and there's no way it could be done without hundreds of people knowing it. 2000 degrees will take down a building. The flight recorders are a valid point. Where are they? The Isreali vs. USS. Liberty is another good point, but there's alot of BS in that book you posted.

IS there now. HMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm what would you say to this.

Bush Caught In Flat Out Lie
About WTC Attacks
From What Really Happened.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html
12-6-1
Note: We have received repeated claims by many that they 'remember' seeing the FIRST plane impact LIVE on The Today Show, Fox & Friends and/or CNN... but none of these news organizations lay claim to having been on LIVE when the first plane hit the first tower or feature any exclusive of first impact footage, other than amateur footage, retrieved AFTER the fact; not broadcast live at all. Many people appear to be layering their memories of the second impact, and replays of the first impact, out of sequence in time.

If anyone has definitive proof that any broadcasting news facility was on LIVE and aimed at the twin towers to catch the first impact, please send that proof here! We cannot find any such proof ourselves. Remember -- it has to have been a LIVE broadcast of the first plane impact and have been a national broadcast for Bush to have seen the first plane hit while in Florida.


At http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html is a transcript of President Bush's comments regarding the day of the attacks on the World Trade Towers.
 
Towards the bottom of the transcript is the following quote.
 
 
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
 
BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)
 
Thank you, Jordan (ph).
 
Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
 
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
 
There is a problem with the above statement. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of that first plane hitting the tower did not surface until days later.
 
Bush is lying through his teeth here.
 
Even though Bush is not a very good pilot (he was taken off of flight status for failure to take a medical exam which included a drug test), it would be silly to assume that a passenger jet hitting the WTC in clear weather was pilot error. The only other known impact between an aircraft and a New York skyscraper was when a military airplane crashed into the Empire State Building in a heavy fog. Because of that incident, there are mandatory altitude minimums over the island. If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Towers, then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time.
 
And, it must be remembered that even after andy informed Bush of the second impact, and by his own admission Bush knew we were being attacked, he continued to read to the classsroom full of children.
 
Just think about that for a while.
 

Damn, You are a true wacko.  
Did our guys get some advanced warning signs? Probably.  

Did our guys fail to do everything in their power to avert the tragedy? Probably so.  

Did our guys put explosives in the building to finish it off?  HELL NO! Are you FUCKING CRAZY? Probably so!

The planes were SHOWN flying into the WTC Towers, they were burning for approximately 45 minutes before they went down.  The Towers didn't IMPLODE, the structural integrity of the Steel was compromised by the 2000 degree F fire, and the first 20 or so floors fell on top of the rest and then each floor collapsed with the weight of the floors above it.  You can clearly see this "stacking" on the videos of the WTC collapsing.

Also according to the WTC site the building was designed to handle up to a 737 hitting it (a 767 is much bigger) and the 20-50,000 pounds of fuel burning inside the building wasn't factored in to the equation.


GET A LIFE, use the conspiracy theory where its better served (pearl harbor, JFK assassination, etc)

Sorry Green but I am not a wacko and I only asked what you thought, So you dont have to be an ass about it. My word is not etched in stone and niether is yours. Sheesh, Talk about needing to get a life.

An interesting read, but I would have liked some links to these sources to read for myself.  Some of these statements are troubling, but difficult to prove.

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Sorry to have been so blunt in my previous post.  I just saw where this was going and I'm getting kind of tired of hearing all the conspiracy crap.  But I didn't need to go off on you like that.  Sorry again.

BTW: Bush must have been having the same problem with shifting time that those other people have had. . . cause I also remember hearing about it hitting the first tower, but no one had video coverage of the first tower until they were filming the wreckage and the second plane went into the other one.

Dammit!  I just put my tinfoil hat away!

Some of this stuff makes you wonder, though.

ok I found the links to this and have a few more comments.
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,612354,00.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html
http://www.rense.com/

One more thing. My brother and I have recorded the 2nd plane striking the tower and after the plane inters the building, we noticed a shadow at a 45deg angle com in from above. has anyone else seen this. It is from fox news feed that we got the recording

Hmmm...after your Bush post, I agree with Green. You ARE a whacko.

What a load of crepe.

(As in flaming crepe suzette...)

I also think somebody's tinfoil hat is on just a tad TOO tight.

I give it about one hour until the mods put this thread in an Algore lockbox.

Hmmm...after your Bush post, I agree with Green. You ARE a whacko

Why am I a wacko for just asking a Question about something I read and wanted to get some insight about it. Damm, I guess no one read what I said in the first lines of my letter. Why does everyone have to go and call names and act like ass's. It is a fool that points his finger and laughs at other's for just wanting to learn all that they can.

And I posted this thread about 3 hours ago and why would they lock it for anyways. Am I doing something wrong. Sheesh