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Posted: 6/6/2008 4:51:14 PM EDT
Packing in public: Gun owners tired of hiding their weapons embrace 'open carry'
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-opencarry7-2008jun07,0,849912.story
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All the anti open-carry fooz have never been to the four corners. And what's an XD-35? |
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Good article, cap.
As great as the state of TEXAS is, we don't have open carry. I don't think I would, but there are people that sure would down here. HH |
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Man, I wish Texas allowed open carry. Around here, masses of libtards would shit their pants!
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Ohio allows open carry. I just never tried it. Really don't want to deal with the problem it could create and I don't really want many of my neighbors knowing I own guns quite yet.
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...especially in Austin. HH |
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These guys do have a point though, trying to make it more common place and accepted. You have to (re)start somewhere.
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XD .45 typo? |
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I think open carry is just plain dumb. You WILL be faced with numerous people and police that do not know the law. It could get you killed by some dumbass cop. Also, there is no doubt about it that a criminal has a element of surprise advantage over you, and he may just shoot you right off the bat when he sees you are armed. I think people that open carry love the shock factor that it generates when they are in public. It's like a woman that walks around without a bra and a tight shirt. They love the attention.
Flamesuit on. |
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Possible, I suppose. I'm betting pretty darn unlikely though. |
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Kind of like how detectives and police are getting capped every day for open carrying? |
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I think it would be highly likely. Imagine this scenario: You're in a convenience store late at night paying for your goods. Two men come in the store. They look just like typical mid-twenty year old guys that don't have much on the ball. You know, the typical type of people you see in a convenience store at 2AM. As it turns out, they are intent on robbing the place. You don't know they are going to rob the place and their weapons are concealed. They're just acting normal as they approach the register. They see your gun on your hip and their hands are on their pistols in their jacket pocket. There is no way you're going to be able to draw your weapon in time when they pull out their guns and decide they're just going to shoot you rather than try to disarm you. |
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I would rather have mine concealed, but I wish open carry was completely legal nd accepted everwhere for a couple of simple reasons.
OWB holsters are more comfortable and I don't want anyone to freak out if I stretch for a can of food on the top shelf at the grocery store. I don't like having to constantly be mindful of the wind blowing my shirt up and exposing my gun. If it was widely acceptible, I'd probably still carry concealed, but I'd like the peace of mind to know that I won't be hassled by the cops because it's a windy day. |
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These days cops do get shot every day. I can't sort out the ones that are shot simply because they've got guns from those that are shot simply because they're cops, and neither can you. |
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Now imagine this scenario: You're in a convenience store late at night paying for your goods. Two men come in the store. They look just like typical mid-twenty year old guys that don't have much on the ball. You know, the typical type of people you see in a convenience store at 2AM. As it turns out, they are intent on robbing the place. You don't know they are going to rob the place and their weapons are concealed. They're just acting normal as they approach the register. They see your gun on your hip and their hands are on their pistols in their jacket pocket. Rather than risk it, they leave and rob an easier target. See, we both have good imaginations. |
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From the article:
You want a cop with a Glock, pointing it at you with his finger on the trigger? If the cop misjudges any movement you make, you're gonna get shot. Remember the US airman that was shot by a cop when the airman started to stand up after the cop told him to get up? I'm not saying it happens everyday, but there are numerous instances of cops shooting people when the cop misjudged the movement of a subject. If you don't put yourself in a position to have cops pointing their guns at you, you kinda minimize that risk. |
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Open carry is legal in PA, I havent done it yet for my own reason. I do understand why people do OC and I think its great that they do it. I commend them for taking all the hasles and risks associated with OC and do it to show the public that it is legal and normal people do carry and use the 2nd for more than just hunting.
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This is my favorite response, including the logic behind the statement. +1 HH |
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Criminals aren't know for their use of good judgment. Otherwise they wouldn't be criminals. |
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Indeed not, but we also can't sort out those that were shot simply because they were cops from those who were shot simply for wearing polyester; I have a hunch as to which motivation is more likely though. |
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Can't you open-carry a rifle or shotgun in Texas? |
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WTF?!? |
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probably a typo or a misquote. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch about |
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Typo. Either meant XD-357 or XD-45. ETA: Damnit. Beat by several seconds. |
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Your first reference was to getting shot by a gang banger for the pistol. I'm well aware cops can be idiots but I doubt they would shoot you because you were packing on your hip. Now if you had it in your hand walking down the street thats a different story... |
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Good article.
But no one has mentioned the use of the 'F' word yet... The guns make them 'FEEL safer'... |
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Maybe if y'all had some cops that knew what they were doing... Truth is, 90% of the time, a gun on your hip doesn't get so much as a second glance. Of course, if you'd move outta that commie state and head for a freedom loving state, you wouldn't have to worry about it. As for the whole "but but but you're gonna get shot first!" folks, I'll betcha I can get my pistol out and up from a belt holster than you can from your tucked deep concealment rig. Theives don't want to risk their asses-that's why there aren't many gun store robberies. I'm sure there have been a few, but not very many. I think I'll continue excersizing my rights-I don't really care how un-tactical other folks think it is. And again, maybe you should get outta Texas and head for a free state that allows you to carry a gun without a permission slip. |
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G-T, were you OCing when I met you? if so, I never noticed. |
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THAT is my reason for supporting open carry laws - in EVERY state. +2 |
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They make a 9mm? That's technically .35... |
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+1 Jack's scenario is actually the more likely one.
So, the other patron berated Jensen for having a gun. Jensen should have replied, "Sir, if you are so afraid that someone will go crazy and shoot people don't you think it is stupid to try to provoke an argument with that person? But apparently you don't think I would do that, or you wouldn't be here talking to me now, would you? So, what exactly is your problem?" |
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You fail to realize that when a cop doesn't know the law about open carry, he thinks you're a criminal when he sees you with a gun on your hip and you can't produce a badge. When the cop pulls his gun on you (like what happened to the guy in the article), the cop is thinking you are a threat. Otherwise, why would the cop pull his gun and point it at you (like the cop in the article)? The cop's adrenaline is high and any misjudgment by the cop MAY end up with him pulling the trigger. I can't count the stories I've read where cops draw down on people legally open carrying. Do you feel perfectly safe when a cop is pointing his gun at you? I know i wouldn't. |
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This author is full of so much firearm terminology FAIL it makes me laugh.
While it is abundantly clear that he knows NOTHING about firearms, he's written an incredibly open minded and favorable article concerning open carry, concealed carry, and gun owners in general. Bravo to someone not overcome with yellow journalism. |
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And somehow, this is supposed to illustrate the "dangers" of open carry. Why can't I be around when idiots spout nonsense like this? |
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and that is enough reason to avoid doing something 100% legal? just because you may encounter a cop who thinks you are breaking the law and maybe just maybe that cop would shoot you? The vast majority of the people on the opencarry site do not go out looking for confrontations with the police, they go about their everyday lives and in almost every instance they do not have any interaction with the police. When there is a "man with a gun" call made and the police have to investigate 99 times out of 100 it is a friendly encounter, no guns drawn, no shootouts at the ok corral. Sometimes the officer responding doesn't understand the law and that is seen as an opportunity to educate, either directly with the officer or later with his superiors with the intent of getting a training bulletin issued to all officers in the area. Maybe in downtown Houston/Philly/NY/DC/Boston etc a cop would see a man with a holstered handgun and think criminal but most of the country isn't like that. ETA: a scruffy goth with a CCW carrying "mexican style" who fails to conceal properly is a lot more likely to have a gun drawn encounter with law enforcement than a well dressed man open carrying a holstered handgun. |
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That's the whole point of what these guys are trying to do. Educate people and ignorant cops. If more of us did OC on a daily basis (where legal) then it would eventually become the norm instead of the exception. Cops would eventually learn the law and thugs would think twice about taking out a convienence store with 3 or 4 armed men out of 10 people in the store. |
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the vast majority of people I know who filrt with open carry are n00bs. Yes we're all very proud of you for finally buying a firearm when youre 30. youve got 300rds downrange in your shooting career and you still flinch when you drop the slide...please, open carry in wal-mart so we can all give you the attention you so richly deserve.
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+1. But I defend other's right to open carry. It means the bad guys will shoot them first and allow me draw and shoot them with my concealed weapon. |
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Have you ever tried it? |
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And sometimes it's necessary. Like here in VA. If I want to carry into a restaurant that serves alcohol, I MUST expose my gun, or leave it in the car. I would much rather leave it concealed, but open carry doesn't really bother me either. On occasion I've OC'd when I just didn't feel like changing my clothes or holsters. |
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It's sold in the same stores as the 40mm Glock pistols. |
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Nothing good goes on downtown after 9pm. You should be in bed by 2am. |
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i would open carry if it was legal in SC. i would also carry an AK slung on my back if i could too. everywhere i went. im not joking.
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I didn't realize the 2nd Amendment had "as long as DvlDog says it's ok" at the end. |
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OH NO!!!!!
Dont you know that you will be shot first during a bank robbery if you open carry!!!! lol |
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In 23 years of living in NH/VT (where open carry is legal), I think I've seen it 2 or three times.
That said, none of those situations created any fuss. |
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I don't no....any one know the answer? |
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