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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:51:22 AM EDT
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IBTP
Illegal Aliens |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:52:33 AM EDT
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Definetly the Illegals
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:54:10 AM EDT
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+1 In the short term the jihadists might be a threat but in the long run you should be more worried about the illegals. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:54:48 AM EDT
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I picked jihadis, only because what they do has immediate, extreme results. Tough call though.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:55:17 AM EDT
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I voted illegals, because their presence has more of an effect on my immediate day to day life. Virtually every time I leave my house, I encounter illegals. I can't say that about Jihadists.
Edited for clarity. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:55:39 AM EDT
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Illegal Immigration.
If there were no illegals, you know how much money there would be to fight the Jihadi's? |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:56:21 AM EDT
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I say illegals because we seem to be whupping the Jihadis.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:56:23 AM EDT
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This thread should prove interesting. If it doesn't get locked within the first 10 posts.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 10:58:31 AM EDT
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Your question is leading, and you're comparing apples to orangutans. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:02:09 AM EDT
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I would have to say that the boarder is THE problem for both illegal's and jihad's.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:02:29 AM EDT
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No... It's comparing the 2 things that are most often cited as 'the big threat'... ALL illegal immigration... vs ALL global jihadisim... As a threat to the nation ant it's interests as a whole (instead of 'a threat to me and my backyard).... Simple question, let's see where the chips fall... I predict the isolationists will be more concerned about the illegals... Interventionists more concerned about Jihad... |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:05:06 AM EDT
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I say illegals, my brothers in arms are kicking the shit out of the jihadis in their own back yards currently and living in fear is not living at all, might as well take care of what we can now.
IBTAMTHL (In Before The Anti Muslim Thread Hijack Lock) |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:05:33 AM EDT
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Illegals. Easily. Disturbing.
Jihadism is an overblown threat used to expand government and scare voters. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:07:47 AM EDT
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No rickrolls in this thread please... It's moronic, and easy to spot when you post a youtube link in a fucking political thread.... |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:09:02 AM EDT
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Quoted for truth. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:09:17 AM EDT
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No, they aren't threats to the same thing. Illegal immigrants aren't threats "to the US and it's worldwide interests," and I've never heard them declared such by anyone. They are purely a law enforcement problem. This dog ain't gonna hunt. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:18:26 AM EDT
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Jihadis. Illegals are only a problem because our socialist systems enable (and even encourage) them to be. If not for that, there would be less draw for them to come here, and those that did would end up like previous waves of immigrants - largely assimilated within a few generations.
The jihadis, on the other hand, want us dead. We're the Great Satan, after all. There's not much you can say to a viewpoint like that 
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:22:14 AM EDT
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That link is an eye opener on what is happening at the present level of immigration. The first link is the guy with the charts on the present rate of immigration , but the second one is changed.. 
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:26:27 AM EDT
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+1. I don't see a rick roll there. 
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:27:49 AM EDT
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Well then badfish, it would seem you'd be voting for the Jihadis then... Remember: there are posters on this site who believe that illegals ARE such a threat... I just don't happen to be one of them, and apparently you aren't either... |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:33:07 AM EDT
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As someone already stated it is not a Rickroll, its yours, mine, and everyone elses money being syphoned to people who should not be here and the future outlook of it. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:35:54 AM EDT
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Islamo facists by a long shot.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:36:28 AM EDT
[#23]
Illegals by far.
Here in the South West, it's quickly becoming Mexico Norte. America has 10 years tops in it's current size and form if things don't change big and fast. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:37:44 AM EDT
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Illegals have yet to crash planes into buildings ...the occasional car while drunk on the other hand
 jihadis'....more determined to destroy our way of life |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:42:42 AM EDT
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In all honesty we are probably bigger dangers to ourselves rather than the choices listed....
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:46:06 AM EDT
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There's a scary amount of truth to this. We're a danger to ourselves because of what we are willing to tolerate. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:46:37 AM EDT
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Who has killed more Americans in the last __ years? |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:48:47 AM EDT
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I'm going to go with Jihadis for a couple of reasons. Terrorist attacks can have an immediate and profound effect on the economy, and terrorism has resulted in the passage of laws that restrict our freedom and privacy. And there's the matter of thousands of American soldiers dieing to try to prevent more attacks.
Some of the same things could be said about illegals, but a lot of the negative effects of illegal immigration could be ameliorated if we had the political will to enforce immigration laws. I don't think there's anything we could do that we aren't already doing that would have nearly the same impact on terrorism. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 11:56:37 AM EDT
[#29]
exactly. Illegals are only a problem because we allow it. If we put our foot down it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Terrorism on the other hand is a problem we cannot control as easily. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:31:33 AM EDT
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The Jihadis are up over 7,000 in the last 8... I doubt that illegal immigrants come even close... Maybe if you count killing American gangbangers... But who misses them? |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:51:26 AM EDT
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They are linked at the hip.
The Jihadis are the threat. Because of that threat we need to secure our borders. This cuts off the flow of illegals... killing... well wounding... two birds with one stone. The extent that illegals are capable of getting in demonstrates how easily terrorists could and probably have gotten in. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:15:13 AM EDT
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"Both" is an answer, as some of the jihadist highjackers on 9/11 were illegal aliens. Terrorists use the same means to violate our sovereignity as Salvadoran gangsters.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:19:47 AM EDT
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That's true,but they don't usually try to kill you ,do they? |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:30:14 AM EDT
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According to this article by the John Birch society, illegals are responsible for the deaths of over 9,000 americans per year -- 36,000 deaths in the past 4 years. Illegals are also a burden of several billion dollars on our infastructure and government services. The illegals are definitely the larger, more immediate and long term threat. Article |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:51:50 AM EDT
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Um, any foreign terrorist commiting an attack on US soil is an illegal alien. Unless he listed "to wage jihad" on his visa application.
Illegals, even if you do not include the terrorists, have killed more Americans than Jihadists have killed. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:54:10 AM EDT
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Yet the border jumping illegals manage to kill more Americans than the jihadist do every year. So basically illegals are more dangerous without even trying to be. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:55:13 AM EDT
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They did on 9/11. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 3:57:36 AM EDT
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Drug resistant TB, Staph, Hep... DUI traffic collisions Gang Violence Generic murder/rape/robbery Illegals kill many thousands every year. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 6:49:33 AM EDT
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Beans was probably an unfortunate choice of words when titling a thread about illegal mexicans.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 6:51:31 AM EDT
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Illegals
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Posted: 12/2/2007 6:51:55 AM EDT
[#41]
Liberals.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:20:19 AM EDT
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dave a i see you have an iraq sign under your avatar, thank you for your service. back to buisness, i see both as a threat, i live in a smaller southeastern community here in GA. where illegals are all over the place due to this being a farming community. there is alot of crime just in dui's ,assaults, etc.. just from the "migrant workers". in all honesty some of the migrant families are hard working and never cause trouble. but they are here illegally and are sucking up the social services and leaving them on the edge of collapse, i brought my wife to the emergency room almost a month ago because her pain from fibromyalgia( hope i spelled that right) and the hospital was overcrowded with people that can't speak english, over crowded to the point that there was literally 20 to 30 "immigrants" standing outside the emergency entrance and blocking it as well, the sheriffs dept had to come out and get things organized, it was a horrible experience for my wife that needs help. my wifes cousin is in iraq for the seventh time now with marine force recon and says we are winning but the media will never tell us that. i feel that islam will be a global thing due to the fact that the western countries don't have the stones to put islamo-asshats in check. there are many things that are causing America to come apart at the seems, we just don't have enough time to discuss it all
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:20:27 AM EDT
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Shhhh!!!! [bullhorn] Fear the goatherder! [/bullhorn] [con] Ignore the invasion it's really nothing to worry about. [/con] |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:23:51 AM EDT
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Didn't I hear that Quaida was courting ms-13 for some co-ops?
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:29:21 AM EDT
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Neither is much of a threat, but I'll say the Islamists are the greater. The Mexicans assimilate within two generations, just the same as every other wave of immigration. Islamists can't really do that much harm in the big scheme of things, but they are genuinely evil.
Now, I counter your leading question with one of my own: Which is the greater threat to our liberty, purported anti-terrorism laws such as the PATRIOT act, or hypothetical anti-illegal laws of the "round 'em up" variety? |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:30:25 AM EDT
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Illegals are the bigger threat. Now if we could just get them and the Jihadis to fight each other.....
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:33:27 AM EDT
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They will when they are finished with us. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:04:50 AM EDT
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Yup. Ignore the open border in a time of war. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:10:01 AM EDT
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This question is like saying "which do you want more, a sharp stick in the right eye or the left eye?"
 I PERSONALLY think that illegal immigration edges out the jihadi threat by a slight margin. I think illegal immigrants will have a longer-term impact on the US than jihadists ultimately will. It's a suck-vs-suck question though. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:12:58 AM EDT
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Read some of the replies after the video.
Scary! |
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