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Posted: 10/11/2007 10:07:42 AM EDT
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She has a point and while I don't like Rudy any more than Hitlery or Osama, I would rather vote for him than a 3rd party. Voting a 3rd party is the same as casting a vote for the Dems. 3rd parties have never stood a chance in an election and will not stand a chance in this one. The players are just too big. You can deny it all you want, but if you vote for a 3rd party, you voted for Hitlery because you took a vote away from the GOP candidate.
People who think voting for a 3rd party is effective are as delusional as the looney leftists. |
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Go ahead, put a dem in the Whitehouse and GOODBYE to the Supreme Court.
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Yep. World of difference between the two. Hillary is a douchebag commie. |
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Three names...Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Want another commie sitting on the Supreme Court? |
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It would also depend on the third party also. This discussion assumes a third party on the right. What if the "thrid party" is Algore, or a Shehann clone from the left, drawing needed support from the presumtive nominee/president-elect.
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How wacked are these people that think voting for rudy will preserve the 2nd?
Hey rudy, tell us what you think about the 2nd? "The right of the people to be secure in their persons... oh, wait, I've got to take this call from my wife. Hi, honey, no, nothing important, what's up?" |
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We still have much better odds of him not touching our guns than we do with Hillary or Osama. With him, it's a maybe. With 'them', it's a certainty. |
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Go ahead, put Rudy in the whitehouse and GOODBYE to the 2nd Amendment. |
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Expand on that. Explain the actions that Rudy would personally take to destroy the 2nd. |
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I had always been taught that supreme court justices served for life. Then after they retired or died then they were appointed by the President. How soon are we looking at needing a new Justice? |
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Rudy has spent 30 years as one of the countries leading anti-gun-rights activists!!! Even Hillary and Obama don't have those credentials. Have you forgotten how many anti crusades he LEAD!!! He wasn't just a follower of the brady movement, he was one of thier biggest LEADERS!!! Rudy has made it his mission in life to kill the 2nd. If Rudy gets the GOP nomination, then we have a duty to vote 3rd party. Hell, Bill Richardson would be a better choice than Rudy. |
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David Souter? John Paul Stevens? I trust Rudy to pick SC justices about as much as I trust him to veto gun legislation. NOT AT ALL. |
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+1 on Clasky's comments
I do believe this is how Clinton got elected in '92........alot of conservatives voted for Perot instead of Bush Sr. And then the AWB got passed!! We have to learn from our mistakes. |
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What do you think he's been doing for 30 years? He will keep doing exactly what he has been doing all his proffesional career. Attacking gun rights from every angle possible. You think he will suddenly stop? Are gun owners really are that stupid, that we would vote FOR one of the countries leading anti-gun activists? |
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Stevens is in his upper 80's and Ginsburg is in her 70's and is a cancer survivor. The next president will probably appoint 2. ETA: Maybe 3 - Souter is reported to hate living in DC. |
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You don't have an answer then do you? Explain what he will do as President. Go ahead. How did he do it as mayor of NY, other than stepping up enforcement of existing laws? |
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I'll vote 3rd party for sure. The GOP needs a clear message that democrats won't be tolerated on the Republican ticket.
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I'm talking about actions, not sound bites. ETA: Not to mention that Congress would have to pass that law - the President does not pass legislation. |
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Stevens for sure has only been hanging on there so Bush can't name his replacement. Had Kerry won in 04 he would have retired. He is 87. Kennedy and Ginsburg are getting up there too. So several will be coming up. |
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Exactly. And historically, congressional elections usually fall in line with the presidential election. Republican congress + Republican white house != more gun control Democrat congress + Democrat white house = more gun control |
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You don't have an argument of your own, do you? You have nothing but someone else's sound bites. That's weak. |
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A third-party vote should be viewed as one step away from armed resistance.
That said, even if the Second Amendment goes away, it does NOTHING to the RKBA. Rush was talking to a guy the other day who posed an interesting question: "What if the entire Bill of Rights was done away with tomorrow? The First Amendment, the Second, the Fourth, etc. All of them, gone in one fell swoop. Now, what changes?" |
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What is this thread about then? The President does veto legislation, his VP casts tie breaking votes in congress, he issues Executive Orders, which have never been limited in scope. He runs the ATF, FBI and Justice Dept to act upon his direction and goals. Why is it a concern to have hillary as pres, but not rudy? This thread supposes that voting third party will destroy the second, but voting for Rudy can't hurt the second? How does that make sense to you? Rudy is clearly the most anti gun candidate of all time. If he is the GOP nominee, then no way in hell he will get my vote. I'll find someone else to vote for. I see no difference between hillary and rudy, in fact I think rudy is worse, he has a much stonger anti-rights history, but neither will get my vote. If they are the 2 main choices, I absolutely will vote 3rd party! If the GOP nominates Rudy, then fuck the GOP! They may as well have nominated Hillary or Obama for all I care. The party will be offically dead. I will vote for anyone who supports the 2nd and NEVER for either of those 2. My loyalty is to my country and my principles, not party. |
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I answered your question with rudy's own words saying exatly what he would do. If he is elected he will wage war on the 2nd Amendment from inside the white house. He has over 30 years of history of that, why do you believe that he will act counter that history? Show me another candidate that is more anti-gun than rudy. Who has a better anti-2nd rights record than Rudy? |
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In case you didn't read the article (which you obviously did not), it's about Supreme Court nominations.
EO's are limited in scope, despite arfcom tinfoil hat lore to the contrary.
RTFA. Seriously.
You have lost all credibility now. You really think Teddy Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Michael Dukakis, etc have better 2a positions?
Good for you. You must be blind though, if you don't see the GWOT, socialized medicine, etc as issues that separate Rudy from Hillary. If you want to throw your vote away, go ahead.
If your loyalty is to your principles, you should vote for the candidate that is closest to your principles that also has a chance to win. For most of us here that is Rudy. |
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Uhhh, yeah, Rudy's sound bites -- The words from the candidate's own mouth. That's not weak, that's evidence. |
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Actually, those were statements of opinion, not a platform or plan of action. |
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I meant they came from another source. He couldn't make the argument himself so he posted someone else's work. |
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riiiiiiiiiiight. He's about as far as he can get from most people's principles here. The ONLY two reasons I've heard for WHY he should win are (a) SCOTUS appointees and (b) he's not Hillary. Both of those can be fulfilled by anyone without an R after their name, so why does it have to be Rudy? |
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Absolutely correct. If, by voting for a third party, or by staying home, we permit Hillary Clinton or for that matter any of the libtards in the Democratic Party to win, we are subject to forfeiture of our 2nd Amendment rights at some later date.
UNLESS...by deciding in our favor soon, the SCOTUS sets a precedent that is too hard to overturn. Right now that is a crap shoot. Frankly, I'm not too sanguine about our future Right to Keep and Bear Arms. |
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I think that the premise of the original question is preposterous.
First of all, the government does not grant us our rights, and they have no authority to take away our rights. Their sole purpose is to defend and secure our rights, as specified in our founding documents. So, they have no grounds. However, they DO have POWER(not to be confused with authority) to basically do whatever they wish to do, because we have very unwisely ceded far too much power to governmental structures because of laziness, and they took advantage of every inch of that. Should they decide to be an oppressive government(even more than they are now, I mean), then they can definitely bring power to bear against you, and try to imprison or even kill you, if you try to keep or defend your rights. It's up to you whether you decide to knuckle-under to the shitheads, or be a man. You have no rights that you are not willing to defend with your life, if need be. If you are willing to let a bunch of black-robed jackasses with a political agenda tell you that you have no more rights, then you deserve what you get. |
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Why is it the only ones I see obsessing over Giuliani are Paul supporters and the media?
Who the hell here supports Giuliani anway? |
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1. National security and GWOT 2. No socialized medicine |
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at this point we have only the supreme court left to hang our faith on. if SCOTUS takes a *real* hard look at heller in it's full scope, and rules in our favor, then we don't really have to worry about candidates stances on gun control ever again. if they take a very narrow view, or decide not to see it at all, then this is our endgame now. rudy is NOT pro-gun, and i have a real hard time believing that a man with one of the longest, most consistant, anti-gun records in government will be nominating pro-gun SCOTUS justices. |
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