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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:50:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Dupe. The answer is absolutely, and probably should have been used sooner. If anything, the cop was too hesitant.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:50:27 PM EDT
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Im pretty sure if that would have been me I would have got the shit beat out of me so she was lucky.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:52:26 PM EDT
[#3]
Not excessive. And it worked.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:53:53 PM EDT
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I don't know why he had such a hard time strong-arming that adolescent monkey. I could've had that little bitch in cuffs within half the time it took him... without even having to pimp-arm her...
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:55:09 PM EDT
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He used too little force prior to the bite.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:55:47 PM EDT
[#6]
No, the amount of force used was proprtionate and reasonable
and as stated earlier.. dupe |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:56:33 PM EDT
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I would've liked to have seen her get punched in the face more than once. What a spoiled little bitch. ETA:  Who voted that he went over the line? I'd love to see their reasoning. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 10:59:52 PM EDT
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I didn't see anything wrong with it.
All that idiot had to do was comply with his commands like most reasonable people would do in that situation. As soon as he sprayed her, he got the desired result, her arms stopped flailing and he was able to cuff her. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:00:47 PM EDT
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He should have took her off camera and shot her in the face. The stupid bitch is going to be a criminal the rest of her life, and wind up in prison.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:03:51 PM EDT
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Wow, someone needs a fucking hug. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:07:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:07:54 PM EDT
[#12]
He was way more kind then I would have been if someone tried to bite me.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:15:03 PM EDT
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The only time I have ever been hurt while apprehending someone was when I was taking down a pregnant crack ho. She bit me through my shirt, drawing blood. She had gingivitis, so it commingled. It was really nice that I had to have an HIV test, tetanus shot, and no nookie for the next 9 months until I came back clear. Just because I didn't want to hurt the baby. SHE didn't care much for it, apparently.
Sometimes using too little force results in both parties getting hurt, whereas judicious application would prevent any injury at all. I won't make that mistake again. BTW: I did not punch or OC the bitch, and have never harmed a subject. Knock on wood. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:24:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Shoulda followed it up with a taser.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:27:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Justified
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:29:44 PM EDT
[#16]
Well it worked. She wasn't injured other than temporarily from the OC.
I'm not an officer but I would sprayed her earlier and hell he waited until she bit him. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:35:28 PM EDT
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Why was he dancing with her for nearly two minutes? Should have just tazed the shit out of her until she was compliant.
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:36:03 PM EDT
[#18]
he was applying the milk and cookies approach that many here advocate |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:49:42 PM EDT
[#19]
I vote yes only on the basis that apperently he wasnt able to gain compliance of a clearly weak suspect (in context). She continued to resist arrest and apperently he couldnt gain control of her right arm to cuff her. Given all alternatives, I believe that he was within his authority to deply his OC.
The right hook to her cranium is a whole different kettle of fish..... |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:52:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Looks like she got about what she deserved.
I still don't like corrupt cops though. The rest of 'em are fine, but they don't do nearly enough to get rid of the bad ones. |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:52:41 PM EDT
[#21]
The original thread on this is here
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:58:49 PM EDT
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Isn't that from the Johnny Fairplay playbook? |
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Posted: 10/6/2007 11:59:07 PM EDT
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I'm against a cop shooting a pet on private property under questionable circumstances because I own animals- so to this end I would argue all damn night. However a non compliant drunk deserves what's coming to them. I was once a non compliant drunk back in college during a party. Suffice to say- the cops taught me well enough such that I will never act that way again. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 12:07:46 AM EDT
[#24]
Man, I forgot about that. I saw it the other day and laughed my ass off. That guy is a tool. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 12:07:51 AM EDT
[#25]
I think not. I think he is justified in that punch to the face/head. It appeared that she bit him. I think a reasonable prudent person in a similar situation would have done the same. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 12:16:56 AM EDT
[#26]
She was doing her absolute best to harm the officer. His goal is simple: take away any desire she has to resist and harm him. He had to remove one hand from her to deploy his OC spray. The punch stunned her enough to where he was able to do so. How would OC spray be perfectly acceptable when a punch is not? Should he simply allow her to do as she pleases with complete impunity? |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 12:22:02 AM EDT
[#27]
justified, punch and the spray
-Mike |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 12:34:45 AM EDT
[#28]
Cops are human too and when something bites you (dog, cat, snake, drunk bitch) you have a natural instinct to swing. Not only was it legal, it was a proper response to being bitten by an unknown and intoxicated suspect. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 1:48:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Wow, I'm glad you don't work in my department.  The use of force was justified. Taser would have worked also. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 2:29:23 AM EDT
[#30]
Where's Al Sharpton in all this?
I would not have been that patient and nice with her. So now he probably has to take antibiotics and get tested. Human bites are supposedly more prone to infection. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 2:49:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2007 2:52:52 AM EDT
[#32]
I think the officer showed a lot of patience, I would have sprayed her much earlier.
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Posted: 10/7/2007 2:58:38 AM EDT
[#33]
As soon as you take it easy on somebody they pull a shiv or bite your ass. In this case it was a bite.
And once hands are on using spray is usually a bad idea. I would have taken her to the ground after about a sec of struggle. In fact, I remember a situation pretty close to this. Small black female a fellow cop was struggling with. I pull up and run up and *BAM* I take her to the ground and fight is over. Complaint filed: after review- no improper action. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 2:59:46 AM EDT
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They need to invent a gun that shoots a net that will immobilize a person where the cop can stand off from the detained, fighting with some retard is getting old and if people start resisting arrest, officer injuries are gonna cost big to depts.
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Posted: 10/7/2007 3:02:28 AM EDT
[#35]
The female is trying her best to resist arrest and then assaults the cop by biting him. The police officer was entirely justified in his actions.
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Posted: 10/7/2007 6:40:20 AM EDT
[#36]
He pussy footed around way too much trying to be Mr nice guy. After the 6th time asking her to stop fighting he should just have flolded her in half on the push bar, cuffed her then stuffed her.
She was so tiny I'm sure he was trying his best to not hurt her but that opened him up being cut or worse. I couldnt put up with it..... 
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:14:41 AM EDT
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To this end why didnt he just draw his sidearm and shoot her? If we are placing the premium on taking her desire away to resist and potentially harm him why not usurp the entire continuum of deadly force protocol? Would a double tap to the abdomen or her pelvis not stun her enough for him to gain compliance? Sound ridiculos? It should. As we are all aware, hindsight is always 20/20. In my opinion, what he should have done is kick her legs out and put her on the ground. It would have been much easier to get a knee in the center of her back or a forearm in the neck area and then manipulate her arms from there. Last I checked most police academies in the United States teach grounded defensive and compliance tactics. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:17:55 AM EDT
[#38]
I'd have just smacked her face into the hood of the car.
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:24:55 AM EDT
[#39]
What he said. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:31:01 AM EDT
[#40]
Absolutely. He was trying so hard not to hurt her that he got bit for it. That bite snapped him out of it. Hopefully he learned from that: it could have been worse. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:32:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:33:12 AM EDT
[#42]
+1. That, or boxed her ears. If you've never had that done to you, it removes all desire to do anything except remember your own name and the name of your home planet. Only drawback for the boxer (if he's policeman) is that iirc there is some risk of semipermanent hearing loss for the boxee. The officer in that video is either a saint or a hardcore professional. As for Little Princess, there's one courtroom in this town where that little taste of cop flesh would be good for 5 years in prison, no questions asked. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:37:51 AM EDT
[#43]
He had no problems manipulating her arms. In fact, he could have broken her spindly little arms, had he desired to, but he probably remembered that she's a 15 year old girl that weighs a hundred pounds and decided against that, for as long as he could, anyway. I'll bet that leaving her in sight of the video camera for as much of the struggle as possible will prove to be a very good idea. Lots smarter than taking her to the ground in front of the car where you might/might not see what happens. I agree, though, that he used too little force. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:39:25 AM EDT
[#44]
Do not bite a cop,
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Posted: 10/7/2007 8:40:19 AM EDT
[#45]
He did a good job of getting her in front of the camera. Otherwise this would be going a totally different way. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 10:23:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Perhaps the encounter could have been handled better, but IMHO it's nowhere near excessive force. We can debate all day on the best way to subdue a raving bitch, but as long as he's not shooting her or gratuitously pounding the crap out of her, it's good enough.
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Posted: 10/7/2007 10:32:52 AM EDT
[#47]
I didn't watch the video.
Just wanted to add that unless you have done it you probably don't realize how difficult it is to gain control of someone without hurting them. Gain control is pretty easy, hard take down into something solid (the ground) will take a lot of fight out. It also often hurts the suspect. "It took four cops to arrest him" is usually because one didn't whip out an ASP and smack him a couple times in a effort to not hurt him. Flexible skinny guys and women are especially tough to handle without hurting. Joe |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 3:48:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2007 3:50:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Some coked-up dipshit would kick the bucket and ARFcom would have fits over it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2007 3:56:32 PM EDT
[#50]
First one of these posts I seen where too little force was used. I think He probably felt sorry for her or something
ETA I think he did an outstanding job. He even brought the whole thing in front of the camera. Another good reason for cameras in cars |
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