Yeah, hard workers, especially when it comes to sucking all the money they can out of the system

Newest Data Shows Latin American Immigrants Make Heavy Use of Welfare
The Center for Immigration Studies
Oct 1, 2007
Steven Camarota
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html
WASHINGTON (June 6, 2007) — As they debate legalization for illegal immigrants, Senators would do well to keep in mind the most recent data on welfare use by the people in question. According to the Department of Homeland Security, nearly 60% of illegal aliens are from Mexico and 80% of the total are from Latin America as a whole. A Center for Immigration Studies analysis of 2006 Census Bureau data, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows use of welfare by households headed by Mexican and Latin American immigrants is more than double that of native households. Among the findings:

51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program and 28% use more than one program. – 40% use food assistance, 35% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.

45% of all Latin American immigrant households use at least one welfare program and 24% use more than one program. – 32% use food assistance, 31% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.

20% of native households use at least one welfare program and 11% multiple programs. – 11% use food assistance, 15% use Medicaid, 5% use cash assistance.

Among Mexican and Latin American households, welfare use is somewhat higher for households headed by legal, as opposed to illegal, immigrants. Thus legalization will likely increase welfare costs still further.

90% of Mexican and Latin American households have at least one worker. Their heavy welfare use reflects their low education levels and resulting low incomes – and not an unwillingness work. – 61% of all Mexican immigrants have not graduated high school. – 48% of all Latin American immigrants have not graduated high school.

There is a common but mistaken belief that welfare programs are only for those who don’t work. Actually, the welfare system is designed to provide low-wage workers, or more often their children, things like food assistance and health care.

It is the presence of their U.S.-born children coupled with their low education levels that explains why so many immigrant households use the welfare system.

Most recently arrived immigrants are barred from using welfare programs and this would likely apply to those legalized by the Senate bill – however this is not true in every state, nor does not apply to all programs. Most important, the bar does not apply to the U.S.-born children of immigrants, who are immediately eligible.

There are an estimated 1.4 million households headed by illegal aliens using at least one major welfare program. If even half these families returned to their home countries, the savings for taxpayers could be substantial.

If we do not wish to make a large share of illegals return to their home countries, then the United States has to accept the welfare costs. There is no other option.

Programs examined in the analysis are food stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI, and public/rent-subsidized housing.

If Illegals Stay, So Will Welfare Costs: The heavy use of welfare by immigrants from those parts of the world that send the most illegals is relevant to the question of whether to allow illegal immigrants to stay or, alternatively, to enforce the law and cause them to return home. The figures reported above are drawn directly from the best government data available, and show that allowing illegals to stay creates significant welfare costs. Many of the welfare costs described above are due to the presence of U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, the prohibition on new immigrants using some welfare programs makes little difference because their U.S.-citizen children will continue to be eligible. We estimate that nearly 400,000 children are born to illegal aliens each year.

Welfare Use by Working Immigrant Families: Most immigrants from Mexico and Latin America hold jobs. Their heavy use of the welfare system is due to the fact that a very large share have little education and as a result are able to earn only low incomes in the modern American economy, even though they work. The welfare system is geared toward helping low-income workers, especially those with children. Their education levels and the presence of U.S.-born children means welfare use will be extensive.

Tax Payments: Of course, immigrants, including illegal aliens, also pay taxes. However, because of the education level and resulting incomes levels of Mexican and Latin American immigrants, their tax payments are much less than natives on average. The same is true for illegal aliens. In a 2004 study, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that illegal alien households used about $2,700 more services than they paid in taxes at the federal level only. We also found that households headed by a legal Mexican immigrant created a net fiscal drain at the federal level of roughly $15,000, and for those with only a high school degree the drain was a little over $3,700. However, those with more education were a fiscal benefit. A new Heritage Foundation study estimated the net fiscal drain at all levels of government created by households headed by high school dropout immigrants at about $20,000 a year. A 1997 National Research Council study found the same pattern – less-educated immigrants create a net fiscal drain and educated immigrants create a net fiscal benefit.

Data Source: The data for this analysis come from the Annual Social and Economic Supplement of the Current Population Survey (CPS) collected by the Census Bureau in March of 2006. It includes legal immigrants and most illegal immigrants. Like the Department of Homeland Security, we distinguish legal from illegal immigrants based on the socio-demographic characteristics of those who responded to the survey. By design our estimates of illegal immigration closely match those of DHS.

Results are also broken out for the following states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, and Texas.

And yet Karl Rove thinks they are embryonic Republicans because they work and go to church.  What a fool, illegals would be die-hard Dems if they were given amnesty, and they'd crank out state-subsidized babies like crazy.

Quoted: And yet Karl Rove thinks they are embryonic Republicans because they work and go to church.  What a fool, illegals would be die-hard Dems if they were given amnesty, and they'd crank out state-subsidized babies like crazy.

The far right in Mexico is about where Bill Clinton is on a pessimistic day.  The rank and file are European socialists, essentially.  Rove is as right about this as he is/was about the "permanent Republican majority".

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Quoted: And yet Karl Rove thinks they are embryonic Republicans because they work and go to church.  What a fool, illegals would be die-hard Dems if they were given amnesty, and they'd crank out state-subsidized babies like crazy.

ditto

This Sucks

51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program

This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill

Any other sources on this?

Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?

 80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs.

gee, color me shocked.  shocked, i say!

Quoted: gee, color me shocked.  shocked, i say!

Me too.

Man, all this time I thought we were getting cheap labor from Mexico.

Quoted: Quoted: That's it, I'm getting on a plane tomorrow! You laugh, but ... In all seriousness, I know Mexicans retiring to the US to be with their kids (all college educated, making lots of money) who don't want to move to Texas because it has "too many Mexicans".

I find that perfectly believable.

Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs.

Like I've been saying for YEARS

one of them may be working

but, the other one is at home

taking care of their anchor baby

And, most of them have more than
one identity and regularly commit fraud

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: From Wikipedia: The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a right-leaning, immigration reduction-oriented, non-profit, non-partisan research organization... Bear in mind that their goal is to reduce immigration. Yeah, except groups like the Pew Hispanic Center, which can be charitably described as left wing, have almost the exact same conclusions. Do you have a link handy?  I did some looking but can't find anything from Pew.

pewhispanic.org/

pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=43

The above looks like one of the reports from Pew that casually mentioned that 45-50% of immigrant Hispanic household employed public assistance over the last five years.  There are a decent number of reports in that section.  There are probably multiple references.

It might he in here as well:  pewhispanic.org/datasets/

Pwe, is, well, liberal.  When they mentioned the public asistance thing it was in the context of the need for more of those programs. When they mention that illegal aliens are likely to reach retirement age stone broke, it was in the context of the need for more support services to get the benefits to them.  And so on.

The point, I guess, is that there really isn't that much debate about the real impact of illegal immigration from Latin America.  Not really, although that doesn't make the press much.  Kind of like industrial psych facts that are accepted by essentially all psych people about IQ and sociopathy and so forth and have been for 40 years don't tend to make the editorial page of the New York Times when they are discussing the execution of a psychopath.  The facts are out there, everyone agrees on them, and they aren't pretty.  They just don't tend to make the press much for that reason -- they aren't pretty.

Illegal aliens are, at best, a very small net loss.  At best, and that's being generous.  They are most likely a net loss of $1,500 per adult per year and $4,000 per child per year, by last year's estimates.

I remember the vital stats people in Austin shaking their head over the 1990 census undercounting about 2-2.5 million people in Texas, almost all illegal alien males.  That was just in Texas.  They knew about it, but the census was so terrified of losing access to immigrant populations by being seen as an enforcement mechanism that they didn't want to make that point.  That was 1990, folks, and the assumption at that time was that there were 4-4.5 million illegal aliens and their children in Texas.  That was 16 years ago.  Do you understand why people were laughing out loud when Bush said that there were only 5,000,000 illegal aliens in the whole US back in 2004?  Again, let me repeat -- in 1990, there were probably 4-4.5 million illegal aliens just in Texas.  Today there are probably 7 million or more.  And the Texas population is probably just over 30,000,000, so we are closing in on one out of every four people.  More than one out of every four people in California is an illegal alien or the child of one, and California's population is probably close to 50 million.  The undercounts are serious, and people aren't talking about them.  The US population is probably 330,000,000, not 300,000,000, and the bulk of that increase is from illegal aliens.  It's not subtle.  If we kicked all of the illegal aliens and their minor children out of Texas tomorrow, we would be short one out of every four people.  And probably half of the drunk drivers, 1/3 of the B&E artists, most of the non-emissions-compliant vehicles, 80% of the uninsured drivers ...

But without these freeloaders here, our economy would colapse.  

Gimme a fucking break.  These law breakers cost us WAY more monetarily and otherwise, than they "help" our economy.

Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs.

Yeah, didn't I hear CA was going broke a year or two ago? What happened?

Quoted: But without these freeloaders here, our economy would colapse.   Gimme a fucking break.  These law breakers cost us WAY more monetarily and otherwise, than they "help" our economy.

Yeah, the WALL and MASS DEPORTATIONS would be cheaper
and I'm not talking about that little fence that they are building

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs. Like I've been saying for YEARS one of them may be working but, the other one is at home taking care of their anchor baby And, most of them have more than one identity and regularly commit fraud

You can't hire an illegal alien without committing or being party to (let's make a list):

Social Security fraud
Income tax fraud
1099/contractor misclassification fraud
worker's comp insurance fraud
identity fraud
insurance fraud


What else can you think of?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs. Like I've been saying for YEARS one of them may be working but, the other one is at home taking care of their anchor baby And, most of them have more than one identity and regularly commit fraud You can't hire an illegal alien without committing or being party to (let's make a list): Social Security fraud Income tax fraud 1099/contractor misclassification fraud worker's comp insurance fraud identity fraud insurance fraud What else can you think of?

I-9, the form that was supposed to fix all that shit?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs. Like I've been saying for YEARS one of them may be working but, the other one is at home taking care of their anchor baby And, most of them have more than one identity and regularly commit fraud You can't hire an illegal alien without committing or being party to (let's make a list): Social Security fraud Income tax fraud 1099/contractor misclassification fraud worker's comp insurance fraud identity fraud insurance fraud What else can you think of? I-9, the form that was supposed to fix all that shit?

It comes down to enforcement, and Bush would rather break the law.

Keeping them out has proven impossible...we round them up and deport them and they just come right back in.  And if you think a fence will keep them out, you're fooling yourself.

So we have a choice:  a) end access to social welfare programs for illegals, which means proof of citizenship, which means a national ID card or the equivalent, or b) end social welfare programs for everybody.  I vote for b.

Quoted: Keeping them out has proven impossible...we round them up and deport them and they just come right back in.  And if you think a fence will keep them out, you're fooling yourself. So we have a choice:  a) end access to social welfare programs for illegals, which means proof of citizenship, which means a national ID card or the equivalent, or b) end social welfare programs for everybody.  I vote for b.

B!!!!!

The big reason they are here, so we can support them.

DUH !!!  That is why they want in the country!

the poor, uneducated, propagandized masses from third-world socialist state are welfare rats? what's the chances of that?

Quoted: Keeping them out has proven impossible...we round them up and deport them and they just come right back in.  And if you think a fence will keep them out, you're fooling yourself.

Please tell me when we TRIED to keep them out, or TRIED even HAVING a fence?
(have you seen the ridiculous three strand barbwire fence that we use on our border?)

We have not TRIED to deal with the illegals

20 years ago they were few and far between

TODAY they are every frikkin where you look

AFAIK there has been NO attempt to "stop them"
(our .MIL was sent there to NOT deal with them)

The American Citizens have only recently "expressed their displeasure"
at the current state of affairs, we have yet to see any measurable attempt
to deal with the millions of illegals that cross our border on an annual basis....yet

Quoted: DUH !!!  That is why they want in the country!

Essentially they want US wages and benefits with Mexican taxes (actually, Mexican tax evasion).  You really can't have that.

It would be really simple- anyone who is not a US born citizen will never be eligible to recieve ANY type of state or fed welfare. No college money, no food stamps, no medical coverage... Speaks volumes about the quality of people coming over if they just want to freeload off our tax dollars. Then make it harder for US born citizens to recieve welfare while you are at it.

Quoted: the poor, uneducated, propagandized masses from third-world socialist state are welfare rats? what's the chances of that?

Pretty good.....apparently

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program This is a big deal if it is true, it probably accounts for MOST of our total welfare bill Any other sources on this?  80% in California, much less in places like Texas because there is less welfare, except in large cities like Houston.  I was told by a lady in HISD that essentially all of the increased HISD spending over the last 20 years was because of immigrants from Mexico.  Friends have heard similar things about medical costs. Like I've been saying for YEARS one of them may be working but, the other one is at home taking care of their anchor baby babies And, most of them have more than one identity and regularly commit fraud

Fixed it for you.

Quoted: Keeping them out has proven impossible...we round them up and deport them and they just come right back in.  And if you think a fence will keep them out, you're fooling yourself. So we have a choice:  a) end access to social welfare programs for illegals, which means proof of citizenship, which means a national ID card or the equivalent, or b) end social welfare programs for everybody.  I vote for b.

Or plan C, which is proven to work: Impose massive fines and jail time on those who hire illegals. The problem will solve itself in less than a year.

There is no doubt that the illegals make heavy use of our services.

When IRCA passed in 1986, the child welfare caseload skyrocketed as illegals put their anchor babies on the dole. After the 5-year wait, then one of the parents would go on welfare. The end result is these illegal families have at least one family member on the dole the entire time they are here. And then we have the health costs.

Illegal immigration benefits a very small number of our population: business owners. The public has been subsidizing this small business labor force for long enough. If Joe Blow wants to open a roofing or gardening service, then he should man up and run a real business hiring legal residents. Instead, the public is forced to subsidize his work force so he can buy an H2 for his teen daughter and a multi-million dollar home on a hill.

Lots of details here.
www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_600TMR.pdf

Who says brown-skinned people are dumb? If the white folks are willing to pay out, who are they to refuse?

Quoted: Who says brown-skinned people are dumb? If the white folks are willing to pay out, who are they to refuse?

No one but liberal New England country club Republicans like Bush who want passive, polite servants.  Of course, they think that everyone other than their kind of people is stupid.