Sorry if it is a dupe.....

Found this blog about the serious neglect and bad operating condition of many of the temp recording stations. The theory is the stations are in such bad shape the readings are grossly inaccuruate(sp). I thought it was interesting....

www.norcalblogs.com/watts/weather_stations/

That's interesting. But, you're just supposed to believe what Al Gore tells you, okay?

Quoted: That's interesting. But, you're just supposed to believe what Al Gore tells you, okay?

+87

Algore says "The debate is over".........And yet he keeps on running his mouth about it.

Quoted: That's interesting. But, you're just supposed to believe what Al Gore tells you, okay?

Sorry my mistake. I must have missed that class at the re-education camp

Bet this doesn't make the main stream media..

Quoted: Bet this doesn't make the main stream media..

why would this get in the media, everyboby knows the debat is over.

Wow, the enviromentalists were right, A/C units do indeed contribute to global warming......yuk yuk yuk.

Oh God, rofl.

My take is that somewhere they figured out that the latest warming period was just about ending and the next cooling cycle would begin. So how to make the greatest political capital off of an unstoppable NATURAL cycle if not by BLAMING warming on evil capitalism and promising to save the planet via socialism! This way no matter what mankind does, the planet gets cooler and they can point to their policies as the cause of the salvation trend AND get bigger more intrusive government to boot.

Quoted: That's interesting. But, you're just supposed to believe what Al Gore tells you, okay?

GW doesn't exsist, because everyone on arfcom tells you, ok?  and people here are certainly better informed than quasi (or lower) heads of state.


it may not be human induced, but it is generally agreed we may be entering a warming trend.

I still say if we nuke enough places in the Middle East the resultant nuclear winter will end global warming.

I dont mean to hijack your thread, but I am looking for Manbearpig.

IM me if you have seen him....



I'm super serial....

Quoted: Quoted: That's interesting. But, you're just supposed to believe what Al Gore tells you, okay? GW doesn't exsist, because everyone on arfcom tells you, ok?  and people here are certainly better informed than quasi (or lower) heads of state. it may not be human induced, but it is generally agreed we may be entering a warming trend.

yeah, just like every 700 years or so....no one is denying that the earth isn't warming up, it's just not evil capitalism that's doing it ok?

I too think it's that Sun thingy.

But we're suposed to believe THIS guy.

I want a warmer earth so I don't care what the cause of the climate change is.  Who are these people to say the climate we have right now is the ideal climate?  A warmer wetter earth means lower heating bills, longer summers, and longer growning seasons.  I want a warmer earth and think we should be doing all we can to increase the temperature.

Quoted: I want a warmer earth so I don't care what the cause of the climate change is.  Who are these people to say the climate we have right now is the ideal climate?  A warmer wetter earth means lower heating bills, longer summers, and longer growning seasons.  I want a warmer earth and think we should be doing all we can to increase the temperature.

This may suit where you live, but it may not suit everybody, but stuff them, you're whats important right?

HAHAHA you just can't make stuff like this up.

Quoted: GW doesn't exsist, because everyone on arfcom tells you, ok?  and people here are certainly better informed than quasi (or lower) heads of state. it may not be human induced, but it is generally agreed we may be entering a warming trend.

Oh I see, all the people in power use magic Real Thermometers in secret locations.  Did you even look at the link?

When you don't have a religion Global Warming theory will suffice.

C77

Quoted: Quoted: GW doesn't exsist, because everyone on arfcom tells you, ok?  and people here are certainly better informed than quasi (or lower) heads of state. it may not be human induced, but it is generally agreed we may be entering a warming trend. Oh I see, all the people in power use magic Real Thermometers in secret locations.  Did you even look at the link?

of course not. here on this site, it doesn't matter what you use to support or defend your argument, certain positions will never be valid, and this is one of them.  

to go further, i have never known what AG's stance is on gw, and don't even care.  the bits and pieces i pick-up on for different peroidicals (i rarely watch tv) seem to be valid enuff.

now, if you'll excuse me; in true arfcom fashion, i need to go detune my internal combustion engine driven devices and burn that pile of old spare tires.

Quoted: Quoted: I want a warmer earth so I don't care what the cause of the climate change is.  Who are these people to say the climate we have right now is the ideal climate?  A warmer wetter earth means lower heating bills, longer summers, and longer growning seasons.  I want a warmer earth and think we should be doing all we can to increase the temperature. This may suit where you live, but it may not suit everybody, but stuff them, you're whats important right?

Prove to us Australia never had droughts.  Please.

I bet Aboriginal foklore is rife with stories of drought.

Aw Fuck can we just get a junk science sticky on the so called man made global warming...
this has to come up every few days



GREEN MYTHS
ENVIRO 'FACTS' THAT AREN'T
By MAX SCHULZ
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April 21, 2007 -- AS we mark the 38th Earth Day tomorrow, it's worth noting that this secular "religion" has led many Americans to fervently believe some things that just aren't true.

Environmentalist values plainly deserve a place in making public policy. But we shouldn't be guided by myths that are provably false.

Yet a recent survey by Zogby International for the Manhattan Institute found that, when it comes to energy and the environment, the public is more inclined to believe myths than to have a firm grasp of basic facts.

Polling 1,000 average Americans on assorted energy and environmental issues, we found a wide disconnect between what people "know" and what is actually true.

What are the myths propagated by the Church of Environmentalism? Consider the pronouncements from the greens' "Vatican": Last Earth Day, Greenpeace USA exhorted its followers to action because "our forests are being destroyed at an unprecedented rate." More, we must switch to "clean alternative" energies like wind power, because "we all know that fossil fuels contribute to global warming."

A lot of people agree. Nearly 67 percent of those in our survey said they believe human activity, such as logging and development, is shrinking our forests. It seems self-evident; after all, the population continues to grow, and we build more and bigger buildings. So why wouldn't we be losing forestland?

But it's not so. Yes, the United States lost forestland throughout much of the 19th century, as the new nation grew - but the amount of forestland stabilized throughout much of the 20th century.

You can thank technology and progress for that, not any government scheme to save trees. The fact is that our footprint over nature is shrinking - because housing and industry don't require anything approaching the acreage that farming demands, and we now need smaller and smaller spaces to provide the necessities of life.

Machines have replaced work animals (also cutting down the land needed for grazing). Crops deliver richer yields in smaller spaces. Today we harvest 80 million fewer acres of cropland than we did 60 years ago. And our overall per-capita timber consumption is half of what it was a century ago.

Result? According to the Forest Service, we have actually seen a net reforestation since 1985. We aren't losing forestland, we're gaining it.

Greenpeace's call for replacing fossil fuels with cleaner alternatives might make sense, but only if there were any realistic alternatives available. Presently renewable energies like wind power, solar power and ethanol aren't close to being able to substitute for the coal, natural gas and oil that make up the lion's share of our energy sources. Coal provides half our electricity today. Wind and solar provide less than 1 percent.

More, alternative fuels can be as land-hungry as agriculture. The typical 1,000 megawatt coal or nuclear plant might sit on a few acres. To generate the same amount of electricity with renewables would require 60,000 acres for a utility-scale wind farm, or about 11,000 acres of photovoltaic cells capturing the sun's light.

Ethanol, too, can't be produced in the massive quantities required to make a significant dent in our gasoline consumption - and its production depends on vast tracts of farmland, too.

Other myths?

* More than four of every five poll respondents said that our cities are getting dirtier. In fact, pollution has been slashed since 1970, and our cities are far cleaner today.

* A majority believes our chief supplier of foreign oil is Saudi Arabia. In fact, it is our friendly neighbor to the north, Canada. All told the Persian Gulf supplies just 17 percent of the oil we import, and just 11 percent of all the oil we use.

This Earth Day, Greenpeace and its fellow environmental ecclesiasts will once again call on their flocks to take action. By all means, let us safeguard the environment - but with steps rooted in fact, not myth.

The sun is now responsible for global warming, I thought it was caused by SUV's?

Im confused

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want a warmer earth so I don't care what the cause of the climate change is.  Who are these people to say the climate we have right now is the ideal climate?  A warmer wetter earth means lower heating bills, longer summers, and longer growning seasons.  I want a warmer earth and think we should be doing all we can to increase the temperature. This may suit where you live, but it may not suit everybody, but stuff them, you're whats important right? Prove to us Australia never had droughts.  Please. I bet Aboriginal foklore is rife with stories of drought.

I guess you are not aware that 90% of the entire continent of Australia is one big rainforest!  You remember all that Mad Max stuff?  That is because of Nuclear war!  Australia has no natural deserts...

I can't keep this up.  

Quoted: I guess you are not aware that 90% of the entire continent of Australia is one big rainforest!  You remember all that Mad Max stuff?  That is because of Nuclear war!  Australia has no natural deserts... I can't keep this up.

I am ASSuming that you are being sarcastic...

Quoted: Quoted: I guess you are not aware that 90% of the entire continent of Australia is one big rainforest!  You remember all that Mad Max stuff?  That is because of Nuclear war!  Australia has no natural deserts... I can't keep this up.   I am ASSuming that you are being sarcastic... www.sweetmarias.com/map.australia.jpg

No, that map is the EFFECTS of the nuclear blast that wiped out most of Australia's rain forests.  

Quoted: And global warming THIS TIME is due to Americans driving big cars - unlike the hundreds of warming/cooling cycles in the past caused by that big sun thing in the sky.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess you are not aware that 90% of the entire continent of Australia is one big rainforest!  You remember all that Mad Max stuff?  That is because of Nuclear war!  Australia has no natural deserts... I can't keep this up.   I am ASSuming that you are being sarcastic... www.sweetmarias.com/map.australia.jpg No, that map is the EFFECTS of the nuclear blast that wiped out most of Australia's rain forests.

Exactly, the Aboriginal people dwelt in a jungle paradise, complete with Monkey butlers, until the evil day when Captain Cook founded Australia as a prison colony for the nuclear geniuses of western europe.  Back in 1650 or so, some of them escaped, completed research on a bomb so powerful it fuses Iron.  Since they built it, they naturally decided to use it.  The evil aborigines were genetically modified to become Kangaroos by the blast, and the good ones became koala bears because they are so fucking cute.  Now the only wet area of Australia are along the coasts, and because the sea levels are rising by an inch a year, most of these will be gone soon!

Quoted: Quoted: And global warming THIS TIME is due to Americans driving big cars - unlike the hundreds of warming/cooling cycles in the past caused by that big sun thing in the sky. Blame it on the yellow star in the sky! I tell you the huge fusion reactor is powerless next to the SUV! We control the weather the sun has no impact what so ever on weather patterns. George W. Bush and Dick Chaney decided who gets rain, snow, hurricanes, blizzards, tornados, or a sunny day! It’s true I saw it on CNN and the internet. So quit picking on a puny little star and look at the real problem the mean evil carbon dioxide spewing SUV!

BUTBUTBUT John Howard has been a good little lackey to President Bush and V President Cheney.  Why would they punish John Howard?