Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth? I haven't seen any reports stating that legalization of drugs will increase the number of drug users. So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public? You're joking right? It depends on what you mean by "legalization". Different changes in the law would have different effects. Like, for instance, one change done in Liverpool reduced the number of new addicts to one-twelfth previous levels. Same general experience in Switzerland. But, in case you were really interested, all these drugs were completely legal in the US at one time. They were sold over the counter without even any age restrictions. Children could buy heroin and cocaine as easily as they can buy aspirin today. Even under those conditions, the rate of addiction wasn't much different than it is today.

Here is something people REALLY seem to forget or maybe they just had a different life experience in high school i dint know. I was in High school about 12 years ago. Come the weekend we had a choice if we wanted to be "recreational"
We could TRY and get some booze, but that was actually pretty hard. My granny is a tea totaller and most of my friends can't seem to get their hands on any beer either. So we gotta get dumb Adults to buy the beer for us or somehow steal pops beer, but you always paid for that cause he damn well know if you took it! So while not impossable is was quite hard to get alcohol becuase of the rigid Govt controls of it.
#2 Try to pop pills. What are you kidding me? maybe if your pops had aroot canal you could snatch his old script but for the most part it was impossble to get Prescription only stuff. So it rarly came up, again becuase of Govt control.
#3 Get some illegal drugs. How did you get those? Easy every kid had some or KNEW someone who had some. No ID check, no regulations, nothing. Not the "HArd stuff" but pot or mushrooms or maybe a little coke.
So it seemed to me at the time that the illegality of those drugs actually made it easier for you to get it. If we regulate the hard stuff or pot like we do prescription pills then maybe adults could get it but kids would have a hard time since there would be no "Black market" for something that adults could get legally anyway after jumping through some loops. This would prevent kids from getting the stuff in the first place, and the later a kid tries drugs for the first time THE LESS likely he is to be a drug addict. Plus you'll also take out all the "mystery" and coolness and rebellousness out of the drugs if they are Quasi-legal. Maybe some kids will find something else to do like arrange to have orgies or something.

Quoted: Quoted: Unbelieveable. Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss. The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.

Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers?

Quoted: Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers?

I doubt they do.

I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unbelieveable. Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss. The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too. Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers?

The majority of them (80 percent or so) do. They work for the same reasons that methadone maintenance (fully approved by the US Government) works. There is lots of info online about them if you want to read it.

Quoted: Quoted: Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers? I doubt they do. I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area.

According to the Swiss, about 80 percent become employed. This isn't so strange when you consider that there are millions of gainfully employed people in the US taking these same drugs on a regular basis from medical sources.

And I guess you never met any casual alcohol drinkers. I know quite a few of them (not to mention users of other drugs) who are quite successful.

Quoted: So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public? You're joking right?

Do you really think there are masses of people who are abstaining from drugs just because they are illegal?  And furthermore are these masses going to run out and try drugs the moment they are legal?  

Common sense tells me everyone who wants to use drugs is doing so now.  The moment prohibition is lifted violent crime will drop as the floor falls out of the price of drugs.  

And lets address just basic personal responsibility.  How the hell did America or civilization for that matter make it where we are today?  100 years ago there were  no drug laws.  Did everyone become drug crazed zombies?  

Seriously, think this though.  

Lastly, "I don't like drugs and I don't trust you or the general public to make the right choice about drugs, therefore they should be illegal."  

sounds to damn much like

"I don't like guns and I don't trust you or the general public to make the right choice about guns, therefore they should be illegal."

Can we just stop with the Nanny state, socialist mentality?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers? I doubt they do. I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area. According to the Swiss, about 80 percent become employed. This isn't so strange when you consider that there are millions of gainfully employed people in the US taking these same drugs on a regular basis from medical sources. And I guess you never met any casual alcohol drinkers. I know quite a few of them (not to mention users of other drugs) who are quite successful.

So what you're saying is that being a "casual alcohol drinker" and injecting heroin into your arm are about the same then, did I get that right? Having a drink at a cocktail party is the same thing as smoking a rock in a back alley somewhere?

Your logic is full of holes bro. I'm not convinced.

Quoted: So what you're saying is that being a "casual alcohol drinker" and injecting heroin into your arm are about the same then, did I get that right? Having a drink at a cocktail party is the same thing as smoking a rock in a back alley somewhere? Your logic is full of holes bro. I'm not convinced.

+1

Comparing cocaine using/heroin using to 'casual drinkers' is apples to oranges.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers? I doubt they do. I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area. According to the Swiss, about 80 percent become employed. This isn't so strange when you consider that there are millions of gainfully employed people in the US taking these same drugs on a regular basis from medical sources. And I guess you never met any casual alcohol drinkers. I know quite a few of them (not to mention users of other drugs) who are quite successful. So what you're saying is that being a "casual alcohol drinker" and injecting heroin into your arm are about the same then, did I get that right? Having a drink at a cocktail party is the same thing as smoking a rock in a back alley somewhere? Your logic is full of holes bro. I'm not convinced.

Try to read and pay attention to what was said, not what you dreamed up. Note that he said he didn't know of any successful recreational drug users. What he left out, of course, is that alcohol is a recreational drug, and there are lots of successful alcohol drinkers.

But if all you have is a straw man argument then go for it.

Quoted: Quoted: So what you're saying is that being a "casual alcohol drinker" and injecting heroin into your arm are about the same then, did I get that right? Having a drink at a cocktail party is the same thing as smoking a rock in a back alley somewhere? Your logic is full of holes bro. I'm not convinced. +1 Comparing cocaine using/heroin using to 'casual drinkers' is apples to oranges.

You said:

I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area.

Is alcohol a recreational drug, or isn't it? You are telling me that you never met a successful alcohol drinker?

Quoted: Is alcohol a recreational drug, or isn't it? You are telling me that you never met a successful alcohol drinker?

I don't know of any successful alcoholics, no.

Alcoholics are just drinking alcohol recreationally, right?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Stay tuned for Canada, my friend.  BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument. Thats generally a response from someone who has lost. Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth? I don't mind legalizing drugs as long as welfare can't be provided to those who are addicts. Along with government funded rehab centers. Let Darwin take its course.

+1

That's exactly the way it should be.

Deaths will go down too, as the legal drugs would be safer than the crap on the streets.

Also, who give a damn if all the wackos are zonked out on drugs...They will be too zonked out to vote...and that is a plus for our side.

Let the liberal hippies have thier pipe dreams...so long as they are 500 miles away from the nearest voting booth at a love in, smoking pot

Quoted: Quoted: Is alcohol a recreational drug, or isn't it? You are telling me that you never met a successful alcohol drinker? I don't know of any successful alcoholics, no. Alcoholics are just drinking alcohol recreationally, right?

Look at what you said yourself again. You didn't say "alcoholics". But nice try at a dodge, anyway.

Quoted: Quoted: The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home Office should consider wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription for highly dependent users through the NHS." Translation: This is nothing more than a recommendation for further discussion… Yet again, more selective posting on drugs by Clifford the Mad Mullah of Marijuana … ANdy

Oh Snap

He can't read it well through the smoke.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is alcohol a recreational drug, or isn't it? You are telling me that you never met a successful alcohol drinker? I don't know of any successful alcoholics, no. Alcoholics are just drinking alcohol recreationally, right? Look at what you said yourself again. You didn't say "alcoholics". But nice try at a dodge, anyway.

I also never compared the recreational use of alcohol to the use of hard drugs.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Works how? Do these people become productive taxpayers? I doubt they do. I don't know of too many people that do recreational drugs around this area that actually do well in college/work area. According to the Swiss, about 80 percent become employed. This isn't so strange when you consider that there are millions of gainfully employed people in the US taking these same drugs on a regular basis from medical sources. And I guess you never met any casual alcohol drinkers. I know quite a few of them (not to mention users of other drugs) who are quite successful. So what you're saying is that being a "casual alcohol drinker" and injecting heroin into your arm are about the same then, did I get that right? Having a drink at a cocktail party is the same thing as smoking a rock in a back alley somewhere? Your logic is full of holes bro. I'm not convinced. Try to read and pay attention to what was said, not what you dreamed up. Note that he said he didn't know of any successful recreational drug users. What he left out, of course, is that alcohol is a recreational drug, and there are lots of successful alcohol drinkers. But if all you have is a straw man argument then go for it.

Um, no.

You're comparing casual alcohol consumption to drug use, period. They're not the same thing to anybody not bent on forcing legalization down normal people's throats.

Enjoy your next Phish concert bro.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is alcohol a recreational drug, or isn't it? You are telling me that you never met a successful alcohol drinker? I don't know of any successful alcoholics, no. Alcoholics are just drinking alcohol recreationally, right? Look at what you said yourself again. You didn't say "alcoholics". But nice try at a dodge, anyway. I also never compared the recreational use of alcohol to the use of hard drugs.

Define "hard drug". Don't name them. Define the characteristics of a "hard drug" as you see it.

What you said was that you didn't know any successful recreational drug users. In case you missed it, alcohol is a recreational drug and there are people who use it who are quite successful.

Quoted: Um, no. You're comparing casual alcohol consumption to drug use, period. They're not the same thing to anybody not bent on forcing legalization down normal people's throats.

Actually, I didn't compare anything. Read the thread again and see if you can understand what happened. He said he didn't know any successful recreational drug users. Alcohol is a recreational drug. There are obviously successful people who use it. Therefore, he wasn't making an accurate statement. Get it now?

But, I know you won't be happy without a comparison, so let's just compare deaths caused by drugs for starters:

Tobacco - about 400,000 per year
Alcohol - about 100,000 per year
Prescription drugs - about 100,000 per year
All the illegal drugs combined - about 10,000 per year
Cocaine - about 2,500 per year
Heroin - about 2,000 per year
Tylenol - about 2,000 per year
Marijuana - no recorded deaths in US history

Did you have some other facts to compare?

Enjoy your next Phish concert bro.

Sorry, but I don't think I have ever heard one of their songs. Certainly not that I could recognize. But don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your erroneous assumptions.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home Office should consider wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription for highly dependent users through the NHS." Translation: This is nothing more than a recommendation for further discussion… Yet again, more selective posting on drugs by Clifford the Mad Mullah of Marijuana … ANdy Oh Snap He can't read it well through the smoke.

Yeah, I can understand if you haven't been reading the news for the last year or so on this subject.