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Posted: 10/26/2006 7:58:30 PM EDT
For the smartasses out there:
Do you go up to her father and say, I hear your daughter is a +P, she's really hot?  I found a military ammo can, still sealed. I need the money, and plan on selling it? Where can I go to find the date the ammo was made, and whether or not is paper or brass cased? I know it is made by Winchester, and I have the Lot No    
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:11:24 PM EDT
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Dammit! Stopped me in my tracks! |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:15:47 PM EDT
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8 shot is a target load. The stuff is probably re packed, paper hulled training ammo.
I wouldn't have a clue as to the value. I've never seen a sealed can of G.I shot shells though. |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:21:10 PM EDT
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Maybe the date is on a paper inside. Why don't you open the can and check?
What difference does it make? The stuff is sealed and probably good longer than we'll live. Just offer it for sale as a sealed tin with those pictures. Somebody will buy it. Heck, I might if it's a good price. |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:24:37 PM EDT
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Just a worthless guess, but I'll bet it was WWII shotgun ammo for aircraft /bomber crew gunnery practice.
I just saw a thing on the History channel where they would use pintle mounted shotguns to teach aerial gunnery. Either way that looks VERY collectible as I haver never seen anything like it. It look like Canco was a civillian food canner that was pressed into service to make ammo cans Link 
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:24:51 PM EDT
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I've tried WCCs web site, but their site isnt for shit. It referred me to some museum in Wyoming.
#8 was not only used for generals to play skeet with, but also used PoW control as it was fealt that this load was "Less Lethal". I'm pretty sure this suff is paper loads, but I can shake the can and feel one big box shifting inside. I cannot hear individual rounds. I hate to let this go, as I've always thought its super cool, but I needs the fundage. |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:25:15 PM EDT
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Yep. We had two cans in our shop for about two years. Couldnt sell it at $50 a can but got $10 a box loose. Matter of fact I have a few boxes laying around here. I would say put it on gunbroker and see where it goes. |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 7:04:45 AM EDT
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BTT for day crew
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Posted: 10/27/2006 7:20:38 AM EDT
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You may want to try contacting Tony Williams HERE. He is an authority on military munitions. |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 11:46:23 AM EDT
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Winchester has no idea about this ammo.
Hopefully that fella linked to above can come through. |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 11:51:05 AM EDT
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Yeah, c'mon dude, leave a little fun for us! |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 12:07:54 PM EDT
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FWIW, Weptek is right. It was used for training aerial gunners.
I will post a few pics of the boxes and loose rounds. |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 1:37:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2006 1:39:26 PM EDT
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Me too.  I was 2 seconds away from typing "you start by asking for its number." |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 1:44:05 PM EDT
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Dang! I had no idea any of this stuff still existed. It's exactly what other folks have said it is. We used to buy the stuff loose from the local GI surplus for 2 cents a round. (Half the price of the 7mm Mauser
 ) It worked okay on doves but had occasional misfires. I suggest you peddle it to WWII collectors or re-enactors as a sealed tin before you break it up. |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 2:32:12 PM EDT
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Call Rock Island Arsenal and ask to talk to the Equipment Specialist for small arms ammo. Give him the lot number and ask his pretty please to check his Ammunition Data card for the DOM.
ETA: That is a pre 1975 lot number so it has to be older than 1975. Also, #8 shot was procured by the DoD for bird control purposes around active runways and as a survival round. |
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Posted: 10/31/2006 12:12:20 PM EDT
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Tony Williams hasnt a clue, and for that matter, neither does Winchester, or Buffalo Bill Winchester Museum in Wyoming.
Any other ideas? I am about to call RIA. |
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Posted: 10/31/2006 1:04:58 PM EDT
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RIA doesnt have a clue either.
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Posted: 10/31/2006 9:05:33 PM EDT
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How To Date Ammunition?
Well, after I get it back to my house I lube it up with KY or, oh wait.... |
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Posted: 11/1/2006 6:17:06 AM EDT
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Again this is correct. Will try to dig up info. |
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Posted: 11/1/2006 9:28:34 AM EDT
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I have Bruce Canfields book, "A Collectors Guide To US Military Shotguns", and it has some pics of the pintle mounted aerial gunnery shotguns.
Doing a bit more reading in the book (its been a while since I picked it up), I've found that the shells are probably packed in 12-10rd boxes inside the can, giving it the 120 cartridges count. Three of these cans like I have "M10" were put into one "M12" wooden packing box sealed with wingnuts. You can see the pictures in TM9-1990 "Small Arms Ammunition I am 90% certain that these a paper hull shells. According to the book, printed in 1992, "A collector would be well advised to purchase such ammunition in the original cartons when found at anywhere near reasonable prices since the demand and cost will certainly continue to escalate". I am now starting to consider holding off and throwing it back up in the attic. SUCK IT, TREBEK! |
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Posted: 11/1/2006 9:44:54 AM EDT
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Sweet! I do have the the a couple boxes at home and one or two at the shop. I will post pics tonight. CH |
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Posted: 11/1/2006 3:52:19 PM EDT
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Here they are. It is not the same packaging however. 5 per not 20
The other box is Remington #9.   
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Posted: 11/1/2006 4:22:03 PM EDT
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For dating advice, the one person I would NOT listen to is Lordtrader. My .02. Merlin
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Posted: 11/1/2006 5:29:52 PM EDT
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Agreed.
LT can get secks here, so hims going back to Kalifornia Sigh, for the confuzzled lad. |
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Posted: 11/1/2006 5:30:40 PM EDT
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Me too. I was going to ask what you do with it AFTER the date, because that's really the important part! |
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Posted: 11/2/2006 8:10:57 AM EDT
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DAMN!
JUST DAMN!!!!1 On some military shotgun collectors site, I just got quoted a price that made my jaw fuckin drop! The guy said each one of the 10rd boxes is worth $20+ on the current market. He said, now mulitply that by the 12 that are in that can, and add a premium because the can is sealed. Bottom line the man said that if I can find a collector, I could get $300-$400 for it! Holy Guacomole! |
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Posted: 11/2/2006 8:15:46 AM EDT
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keep surfin those collector sites then..you may hit the jackpot.
 Good luck |
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Posted: 11/2/2006 8:20:34 AM EDT
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Yea, thats what we thought. We toted that stuff around for awhile to different shows and couldnt find a home. I wish now the owner hadnt cracked the can. Congrats on the find! Cool stuff. |
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