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Posted: 4/10/2006 3:55:32 AM EDT
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Hi, I am Lt. General Newbold, and I would like to be the Secretary of Defense. (under the new Democrat President)
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Oh. No wonder. |
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Yup. Somebody doesn't want their fourth star. |
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Remember, during the Clinton Admin a lot of lousy, limp-wristed Army, Navy and AF officers who had the right "PC" ideas were promoted over more deserving warriors.
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I think this guy is a bit more than disgruntled. Fully gruntled in spades with a silver cluster sums it up nicely.
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I tend to doubt anyone who waits years to speak up. It says a whole lot about exactly how 'important' it is that their 'timely message of protest' gets heard.
Political aspirations? One way or another I bet he is looking to expand his pension plan. |
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For anyone born prior to about 1960 this speaks VOLUMES--
ETA: His business card must be interesting--"Hippy and part-time General of the Marines (Ret.)" |
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WTF? He wants officers to vocally support the anti-war movement? Methinks that would not go over well. |
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Don't you know the "military" is just another social program to these people. I was "counter-culture" also. ("Mother Green" helped me see the light.) It's funny. I wasn't mainstream then and I'm not mainstream now just on opposite ends of the spectrum. It's going to be very interesting to follow this one! Hessian-1 |
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And this is why military members are forbidden from expressing their opinions. THis officer can be charged under the UCMJ, and I hope he is.
The damage to moral from an officer running his mouth in public is a huge problem. |
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Generals are generally policticians. Esp. those with 2 or more stars. I have little respect for those that won't fight for what is right when they are in a position to change things for the better. Retiring and whining about it three or four years later? Sour grapes and a moral coward. Thank you for your service....... now cash your d@mn retirement check and shut up. |
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He's a tool. I don't care what your rank or title is....it's the argument, the reasons, that count. And the affirmation "Iraq was an unnecessary war" is false, demonstrably so.
One, because Iraq DID HAVE connections to 'international terrorists', just because some were international in the sense of attacking us in Saudi Arabia and Israel doesn't mean they weren't 'bad guys' on par with Al Qaeda. Two, because it DOES NOW APPEAR that Iraq DID have official level contacts with Al Qaeda and that certainly explains why the retreads who were beaten in Afghanistan showed up in Baghdad.... Three. because Iraq is the strategic linchpin of the entire region, bordering both Syria and Iran and butressing the SA penninsula.... having a solid presence there accomplishes two strategic goals: it gives us options with regard to the other AXIS OF EVIL regimes in the region we didn't have with just bases in Kuwait (where the feckless Dems want us to retreat to) and it allows us to 'drain the swamp' of Jihadis who pour into Iraq to fight and be killed by the best fighters in the world (as opposed to letting them attack us here at home and then clean up the mess with 100,000 NEW EMT and firemen as the DEMS propose we do). Four, because Saddam was demonstrably NOT IN A BOX by the Oil for corruption scandal, the fact that all the other Security Council nations were on the take, that Russia, France, Germany, China and others were actively selling armaments to Saddam throughout the 1990's, in violation of all UN sanctions.... the fact that there existed TWO illegal oil pipelines to Syria, etc.... By not invading, Saddam would have gotten UN lifting of the sanctions in short order and then restarted his major weapon programs unchecked. Five, there's no such thing in Muslim history (or world history) as ideological foes NOT cooperating with each other against a common foe.... WE COOPERATED WITH STALIN VS. HITLER... so only a complete tool would think that the 'secularist' Suni Saddam would never, ever, ever deal with the religious Wahabi Suni Osama to wage proxy war against the USA, or that Shiite Iran wouldn't gladly work with Wahabis to attack "the great satan". Six, We are winning in Iraq despite all the agitprop and doom and gloom in the MSM - just as the economy is roaring ahead and is BETTER THAN THE 1990'S ECONOMY IN ALL ASPECTS, despite the constant drum beat of doom and gloom stories from the DEM controlled MSM. Now is not the time to claim defeat and pull out. |
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For the record, he retired from a job that would have virtually guaranteed a fourth star if he had stayed in. |
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Well, he is a general officer, so reactivate his ass. That is the downside to being a lifer. |
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It will never happen, sorry but The United States has gone limp |
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nothing about the southern border makes all of his arguments irrelevant.
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To those with basic reading comprehension what LtGen Newbold is saying is that the dominant culture was the hippy culture, falsely labelled as counter-culture. The true counter-culture of the time was that of the folks who volunteered for military service. Then again I wasn't educated in a government school (K-12 at least). |
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Um, my public school-educated comprehension works just fine--it was from a long time ago, well before the hijacking by the Socialists/Commies. My point was simply that he only THINKS he wasn't part of the "counter-culture" of the hippies. Dress blues or not, he is a hippy. Time will tell if his rant gains a little traction. |
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I guess anyone that disagrees with the war is a hippy. How intelligent.
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Someone said that? |
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I'll say it! "Anyone who disagrees with the war is a hippy!" |
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Not a chance in Hell:
Hence his bitterness. And probably his decision to get out. |
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Why not? Of two other recent DJ3s, Gen Schwartz is CDRUSTRANSCOM and Gen Pace was VCJCS and is CJCS. Surely LtGen Conway will get his fourth star. ETA - Gen Sheehan, also former DJ3 as a 3 star later became CINCUSACOM. I wonder how many DJ3s in the post-Goldwater-Nichols era have not put on a fourth star. |
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thebeekeeper said,
"Dress blues or not, he is a hippy. " Now, I dont think thebeekeeper has any personal experience on which to base this on so im assuming the fact that this guy is against the war is the reason thebeekeeper thinks he is a hippy. Do you guys even bother reading the other posts before calling me a "drama queen"? |
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He has been speaking up since before March of '03. I think many of you hawk types would be surprised to know how many he speaks for. He is NOT saying we should leave Iraq, or saying any other current Democrat talking points about how we hsould handle this war, so I don't understand the political angle. |
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Edit your post, I didn't say that. Use what I said. |
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Already edited - misdeleted quote box. No intent to deceive. Get over it. |
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Whether it is your intent or not is irrelevant. It's STILL wrong. I GAVE my reasons as to "why not". You, for some reason, deleted them. This is my post:
Not a chance in Hell:
Hence his bitterness. And probably his decision to get out. |
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Fookin A right! The aging hippies are in charge |
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