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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:19:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:21:38 PM EDT
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Not In My State: Sample Letter
September 21, 2005 Dear Superintendent, In recent years, the number of programs and schools teaching abstinence-only-until-marriage curricula has increased. Research shows that these curricula, which deny young people crucial information they need to prevent pregnancy and protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), are ineffective and dangerous. To ensure the health of young people throughout Missouri, we ask your assistance in keeping these unsafe programs out of our schools. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:22:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:22:44 PM EDT
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actually, while phrased poorly, what it is trying to say is true. That is, abstinence programs in schools correlate with a higher level of STD transmission and pregnancy among kids than standard "safe-sex" education programs. The issue is: presuming one does not remain abstinent due to societal pressure, is one safer with a program that teaches effective tactics at avoiding STDs and pregnancy via condom and birth control use, or a program that basically just says,"okay kids, just don't do it". |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:23:35 PM EDT
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Keep your damn legs closed.
I do. 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:24:23 PM EDT
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So I wonder what the STD rate is among those who practice abstinence...
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:26:09 PM EDT
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0%; however, expecting abstinence from teenagers in this modern society is pretty stupid. Abstinence only programs along with other religious clap-trap are the reason why the South has a much higher STD transfer rate along with higher teen pregnancy rate than the North, and most other countries where they teach safe-sex doctrine. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:28:03 PM EDT
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Oh BS. Uganda has one of the lowest AIDs rates in Africa, along with Senegal. Abstience is huge there. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:29:17 PM EDT
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maybe care to think that it is because abstinence is held up there with the threat and punishment of death by the Muslims and Christians there ? |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:30:18 PM EDT
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Not that I have read.
There are big abstience only campaigns and people are smart. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:31:03 PM EDT
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I was born and raised in the South. My mother and father (and I) believe all that "claptrap". I never had sex while I was a teen. I never got an STD. Maybe you should shut your claptrap before you give everyone in this thread Gonorhea. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:34:03 PM EDT
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 The North has a declining population so we don't care what those unbelievers think.
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:34:37 PM EDT
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The point is you can control yourself.
The ACLU seems to think that kids should and can have sex anytime and everytime. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:35:22 PM EDT
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Huh, interesting. I didn't screw around either. Neither did my sister, or my wife, or HER sister, or my brother-in-law. No problems with any disease or pregnancy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:35:32 PM EDT
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+1. same here. we have katrina evacuee types down here raising our STD rates. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:36:03 PM EDT
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STD and safe sex issues should be taught along side abstinence programs. Ignorance is a bad thing.
Let the kid have ALL the information and let them decide. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:36:10 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the old saw about the only truly effective birth control (or STD prevention) is and aspirin.
Held firmly between the womans knees. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:37:02 PM EDT
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It's easy:
'NO SEX= NO STDs' |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:39:25 PM EDT
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why not let the PARENT decide how to RAISE his/her own kids? |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:39:56 PM EDT
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So I am going to get an STD by abstaining?
I'm going to cover myself in a 6ft tall condom with 1" thick walls and live in a cave for the rest of my life. Maybe I will avoid AIDS. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:41:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:41:41 PM EDT
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I agree, but most parents don't want that responsibility. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:41:56 PM EDT
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Most parents don't care if their kid screws around at 15 |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:42:19 PM EDT
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i don't see how anyone can be against teaching facts in sex-ed classes. they shouldn't say, "if you have sex, use a condom", but rather "condoms reduce the chance of spreading STDs"
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:43:05 PM EDT
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It's called self control. Any one worth a damn has it. 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:44:28 PM EDT
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Fuel man,
That just falsely gives the impression that condoms will prevent any problems with premarital sex. Condoms reduce spreading STDs compared to what? |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:45:07 PM EDT
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Yeah but what about all the great benefits of instant-gratification and sexual indulgence that teenagers having sex as much as they want can bring?
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:46:51 PM EDT
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Exactly. And saying otherwise is foolish. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:48:46 PM EDT
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no one is saying otherwise.
where i went to school, i was taught "the only way to 100% prevent STDs and pregnancy is abstinence, but if you do choose to have sex, please use a condom, they are NOT perfect but it is a lot less risky than to go without" anyone who has a problem with that has some issues, because it's the TRUTH, and i damn sure want the truth to be taught in schools. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:48:51 PM EDT
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It's all temporary and hollow. Sex was designed by God for marriage between 1 woman and 1 man as a gift to their relationship. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:48:55 PM EDT
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But you sure spend alot of time on your knees...... 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:51:55 PM EDT
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I heard once that research has proven that 5% of condoms fail. As STDs can be fatal, I wonder how many people would be willing to jump a parachute with a 5% chance of failure? Or partake in anything else that is life threatening....with a 5% failure rate. Abstainence has a 0% failure rate. 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:52:48 PM EDT
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Why should schools be promoting risky behavior? It should be 'Don't have sex unless you get married!" That's it. DO NOT HAVE IT PERIOD. Condoms still have a chance for failure. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:54:18 PM EDT
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however, the fact of the matter is that many of them are going to have sex no matter what they are taught in class. if they know how to properly use a condom, many cases of STDs and unwanted pregnancy can be prevented.
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:55:34 PM EDT
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i fail to see how it's promoting risky behavior at all. in health class i was also taught, "many IV drug users get HIV from dirty needles, but this can be prevented by using clean needles." did this knowledge make me any more likely to try IV drugs? i think not.
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:56:02 PM EDT
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+1. it's like teaching kids "drive slowly when you drive drunk" and complaining with the argument "they're gonna do it anyway, we may as well minimize the risk they take." |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:57:45 PM EDT
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no, it's more like teaching teens to not drink at all, and then not teaching them to get a designated driver if they do drink because they shouldn't be drinking in the first place.
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:59:40 PM EDT
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actually, in this case, the gun-safety programs are equivalent to the "safe sex" programs, as both programs support the safe use of their respective objects,and the "OMG GUNS ARE EVIL, DON"T TOUCH THEM!!!" programs are equivalent to the abstinence programs, as they support "abstaining" from using firearms. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 7:59:55 PM EDT
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 kneepads. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:00:08 PM EDT
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isn't the minimum drinking age 21? |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:00:47 PM EDT
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You're operating under the false assumption that those in charge of public education DON'T want children fucking each other. If you simply correct your initial error and begin with the premise that Leftists in charge of Public Education WANT children fucking each other as much as possible, then it all becomes clear and the only question then is how to make those adolscent sexual encounters as "low-risk" as possible WITHOUT, of course, infringing at all on the promiscuity or frequency of teenage sexual contact. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:00:53 PM EDT
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no one's saying NEVER have sex. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:01:37 PM EDT
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Many WILL percieve this as a "safe" way to have pre-marital sex. "Safer" will become "safe" in their minds. There is no "safe" sex outside of monogamy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:03:04 PM EDT
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apparently conservative teenagers have less self control that their liberal counterparts. Check out the STD and teenage pregnancy rates of any first world country, and you will see we lead by a clear margin. Just because you and others here have self-control, doesn't mean that millions of teens in this country do not. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:03:32 PM EDT
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That depends. A lot of school districts in conservative areas promote abstinence only curiculums |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:03:32 PM EDT
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of course, but teens are going to drink anyway. and i would prefer they know and understand the concept of a designated driver. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:04:13 PM EDT
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And they disregard it and drive home drunk anyway. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:04:34 PM EDT
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hey, we can't stop it; might as well embrace it.
i don't see anything wrong with the following story.  http://www.wftv.com/news/5536541/detail.html H.S. Students Accused Of Having Oral Sex In Classroom POSTED: 3:39 pm EST December 14, 2005 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Three high school students are facing criminal charges after a teacher said they were involved in oral sex in the classroom. Christopher Lemay, 18, is accused of paying a 16-year-old-girl to perform the act on another boy at Sandalwood High. The names of the underage students are not being released.. Sandalwood administrators said the act happened under a table in a large class full of students, so the teacher had limited visibility. The news is catching even veteran educators by surprise. "It is not indicative of any school in Duval County," said Acting Principal Jack Shanklin. "I've been in education a long time and I have never seen a situation like this in any educational setting." All three students have been assigned to alternative schools. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:05:27 PM EDT
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apparently you haven't been in a high school health class recently. at least where i went to school, the fact that "CONDOMS ARE NOT 100% EFFECTIVE, THEY DO FAIL SOMETIMES, THE ONLY WAY TO BE 100% SURE IS TO NOT HAVE SEX" was repeated DOZENS of times. even the spaced-out dumbasses in the class got the point. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 8:05:38 PM EDT
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exactly - so we should spend time/money training them to drive safely drunk. I'd prefer they know and understand that they should drive more slowly. |
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