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Posted: 7/25/2001 8:55:45 AM EDT
I wish I could take a shovel to the side of this bastard's head!
[url]http://www.khou.com/news/stories/9632.html[/url] Officer Kills Cat in Angleton 11:34 AM July 25, 2001 By Carolyn Mungo 11 News Pet owners are outraged in Angleton, where the police department is reviewing its procedures after an officer killed a cat. Monday night, Paul Bellard was frantic. His indoor cat, Sassy—a cat that has been a part of the family for 13 years—had somehow gotten out. Answers finally came from a neighbor he didn't know. He said, “I’m looking in-between the houses and looking underneath the cars. So I continued to walk and look, and the neighbor looked at me and said, ‘Call the police.’” Actually, that neighbor had already called police an hour earlier saying there was sick, stray cat in his backyard. This is how the officer responded: Bellard said, “He destroyed my cat with a shovel.” Angleton police confirm the officer got a shovel off the side of the neighbor's garage and beat the animal to death. “I asked why. And they said it was foaming at the mouth and acted like it was sick,” said Bellard. Sassie's vet suspects the cat was suffering from heatstroke. She has seen 30 cases this summer. Bellard said, “It hurts my family. It hurts my children to know that this police officer killed our pet with a shovel.” The officer who destroyed Sassy happens to be the head of the department's Canine Unit. He ended up taking the cat to the dumpster behind the station, and that is where Bellard found her. He says that she is now in his freezer “just to be able to do an autopsy in the cat.” Angleton Police Department’s Chief David Ashburn said, “Officers sometimes have to make decisions. And this one maybe could have been done differently…I just again am sorry it turned out the way it did.” Police are now rethinking procedures. But for Bellard, it is a little too late. The chief says they will now have to call a supervisor or Animal Control. The family wants the officer fired. [End of Story] A local radio station interviewed the family this morning. They said that the cop was laughing at the fact they were so distraught. Also, there will be NO investigation. brouhaha |
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It'll only be minutes before some sicko cat-hater chimes in with a belly laugh over this sad mess.
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How does this make you feel.... this deserves a shovel.
Charge: Couple Impregnated Daughter AKRON, Ohio (AP) -- A couple who once campaigned to make Ohio's rape laws tougher has been accused of violating those laws by forcibly impregnating the woman's teen-age daughter. John and Narda Goff, the girl's stepfather and mother, were free on a $500 bond after pleading innocent Tuesday in Summit County Common Pleas Court to accusations they used a syringe to impregnate the girl with her stepfather's semen. Prosecutors say paternity tests confirmed that John Goff is the father of the 18-year-old girl's 22-month-old son. The girl, who was not identified, said when she was 16 her mother asked her to bear her husband's child because Narda Goff has multiple sclerosis and could no longer give birth. The girl claims her parents monitored her menstrual cycle to gauge her most fertile time and then used syringes to impregnate her against her will. On Sept. 1, 1999, she gave birth to a boy. John Goff, 39, is charged with two counts of rape and sexual battery and a single count of child endangerment. Narda Goff, 42, is accused of complicity to the same charges. The couple's attorney, Walter Madison, called the case ''a family tragedy.'' ''The family has suffered a lot through all of this and they are awaiting their day in court,'' he said Tuesday, declining further comment. The Goffs have an unlisted phone number and could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press. After a man accused of molesting the girl 10 years ago was acquitted in 1993, the couple began a public campaign to toughen state rape laws. Around that time, the girl said her stepfather began molesting her and threatened to kill her if she spoke of the abuse. ''He was going all around the state saying, 'Don't do this to children' when at the same time he was doing it to me,'' she told the Akron Beacon Journal in Wednesday's editions. Jurors could not convict the man because under Ohio law at the time, only sexual intercourse was considered rape. Her parents' campaign persuaded lawmakers to change the law in 1996 to include penetration with any object as a component to rape. |
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Now I've heard everything...That IS sick. Wonder how he'll like his new "friends" at the local prison?
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That cops' Badge should be taken and charges brought against him... Jerk-offs like that give all cops a black eye...
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brouhaha,
i am so angry, that i can't even see. FullRange, i am so angry, that i can't even see. people like this remind me why i use human-shaped targets for practice! |
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Quoted: How does this make you feel.... this deserves a shovel. View Quote a shovel is to nice for that |
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Quoted: Jerk-offs like that give all cops a black eye... View Quote Pun intended? |
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In 1968,while on the way back from a mission, we found a puppy near Hue.The guys picked it up reasoning that the Vietnamese would eat him,so they "saved" it.
Back at the fire base where we stopped for a night's rest the puppy was seen playing with a toad.Later, when the Lt.came back from debriefing and saw the puppy foaming at the mouth,he ordered it destroyed in case it had rabies.Despite the objection of the men and after explaining the toad,he insisted on the destruction of the animal. Most of the guys lined up 50 yds from the dog and fired M16's and .45's hitting it several times. I felt like hitting them with shovels too,but.... SHIT HAPPENS! Sometimes you make a bad decision and someone else (cat,dog,person) pays for it. The following morning we went back out.Life must go on. [:(] |
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I am a cat lover, but let's gain some perspective here....
Let's see - One (1) cat killed with a shovel, or One million + (1,000,000) humans executed (every year for the last 15 years) for the high crime of some ELSE'S lack of sexual self-restraint and personal responsibility. NOW tell me where you outrage should be directed. |
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Actually, that neighbor had already called police an hour earlier saying there was sick, stray cat in his backyard. This is how the officer responded: Bellard said, “He destroyed my cat with a shovel.” View Quote Fire the Officer over a CAT? Sorry, I like animals and have pets but I still remember that they are only animals. And prey tell what would [b]you[/b] do with an obviously sick and stray animal? sgb |
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Quoted: I am a cat lover, but let's gain some perspective here.... Let's see - One (1) cat killed with a shovel, or One million + (1,000,000) humans executed (every year for the last 15 years) for the high crime of some ELSE'S lack of sexual self-restraint and personal responsibility. NOW tell me where you outrage should be directed. View Quote Exactly what I was thinking. Thank You! |
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I like how you worked the Pro-Life angle in here, but I think it's a matter of abuse of power, not so much the sanctity of life...
What do you think would have happened if officer friendlys K9 partner had for some reason scarfed up an Alka-Seltzer it found on the ground and I beat it to death with a shovel at first sight of this? I do believe that although it was an accident, I would be toast. I don’t know about you, but we have a thing called “Animal Control” here in back-wards Arizona and they are trained to make these decisions and also trained to put animals down a little cleaner and humanly than with a shovel… Ed my unit had to shoot some stray dogs in the Gulf too (they were feeding on the dead bodies) and it made me sick, but that (as well as your story) is way different then beating a drooling cat to death in someone’s back yard. this is what a house cat that accidently gets outside in the hight of the Arizona summer looks like after a few hours...This cat didn'tneed to be beat todeath, just a big drink of water...(the cat is OK now, but it scared the hell out my buddy and his wife) [url]http://www.cavalryarms.com/hot_cat_2.jpg[/url] |
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Quoted: I am a cat lover, but let's gain some perspective here.... Let's see - One (1) cat killed with a shovel, or One million + (1,000,000) humans executed (every year for the last 15 years) for the high crime of some ELSE'S lack of sexual self-restraint and personal responsibility. NOW tell me where you outrage should be directed. View Quote I think you hit the nail right on the head with that one. |
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Thanks for the backup Gary. At least most of you understand. And I'm tired of the Pro-Life angle being put into everything. I'm pro-life myself, but it's not the same until some murders SOMEBODY ELSE'S baby. If someone hurt either of my cats or my ferret, they will either have a severe limp or possibly be dead. I wouldn't have time to think of the consequences. My reaction would be instantaneous and brutal. My cats are members of my family, and nobody messes with my family. It would almost be like an ex-SEAL sniper friend of mine. A friend hit his little boy for dropping some milk, and this guy instantly found himself with a broken jaw.
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A local radio station interviewed the family this morning. [red]They said that the cop was laughing at the fact they were so distraught.[/red] Also, there will be NO investigation. View Quote THAT is all the perspective i need... ...and guys this has absolutely NOTHING to do with pro-life, GET OVER YOURSELVES! |
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The officer should have handled it differently than with a shovel
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Quoted: THAT is all the perspective i need... ...and guys this has absolutely NOTHING to do with pro-life, GET OVER YOURSELVES! View Quote 1 dead cat... 15,000,000 dead humans. And you don't care. It has EVERYTHING to do with WHAT we should get outraged about. This type of TWISTED sense of justice is the VERY thing we ALL fight against in the gun rights fight. Like when anti's get outraged at an inanimate gun, and let the murdered off on a tachnicality. I'm over myself - what I CANNOT seem to get over is those who mourn the "murder" of a cat, and champion the murder of a human as a "right." Sick, sick sick. |
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garandman, i NEVER championed the murder of any babies. you don't know if i'm pro-life, pro-choice or pro-don't care. know why??? because i don't post my stance on EVERY F-ING THREAD!!! BUT if i keep reading this stuff on threads where it doesn't belong, i may become pro-choice just to hear a different perspective!
yes a killed cat, and an incensitive A-hole cop piss me off, but they aren't the only things that get me riled up...sheesh! |
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HMMMM, why was his first instinct to clobber the cat, instead of calling animal control ???
I KNOW !!! He shoulda called in the swat team !!!! that way the cat could be hit with the door battering ram, run over by the assault car they drive, shot by their sniper and riddled with 100 shots by the regular swat guys !!![X] BTW, remember, a guy got serious jail time for tossing a dog into traffic. but he probably didnt have a badge[:D] [frag] |
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Quoted: yes a killed cat, and an incensitive A-hole cop piss me off, but they aren't the only things that get me riled up...sheesh! View Quote DUDE - why are you taking my post personally?? I made no mention of you or ANYONE specifically. I'm talking about perspective. For instance, if a cop viciously killing a cat would make me "so angry I can't see" (to borrow your words) then an abortion clinic would make me go freakin' postal. I'm talking degrees of resonse to teh killing of the cat, and YES, that IS completely relevant to this thread. I never even hinted at you personally, what your stance on abortion is, or made a ANY assumptions about you. Typically, this type of overreaction would lead me to believe you have had teh unfortunate circumstance of being closely involved in an abortion. As Shakespeare would say "Methinks thou doest protest too loudly." If I'm right in this assumption, I'm not saying you are a bad person. Far as God is concerned, lying (which i have done) is just as much cause for God to pour out His wrath on me, just as much as any other sin. The one "saving grace" is, I've received Jesus as my Saviour, forgiveness for my sins, and now make it my business to obey God, God helping me along the way. To Him belongs all the glory. But relax man. It ain't personal. Don't MAKE IT personal. Its just one man's opinion. If you get mad at every opinion you hear, you'll be mad an AWFUL lot. Which is no way to spend a lifetime. |
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look again, garandman, you quoted ME directly in your last post.
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Quoted: look again, garandman, you quoted ME directly in your last post. View Quote I was talking about your INITIAL response to my original post, where you alk about having "all teh perspective you need" which IMO was a direct response to my original post. Also, I was the one who brought in the abortion angle, to which you responded this ain't about abortion, and the I should "get over myself." The way I read it, you were taking as personal my original post, when it made no reference to you at all. Anyway, this is getting stupid. Suffice it to say this - I ONLY wanted to add a little perspective, but NOT at your expense. Do you believe me???? |
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yes, we can live in peace, garandman.
but for fun, by your logic, the abortion issue can be used as perspective for ANY topic, no? i got fired...but at least i wasn't aborted...my chevy sucks, but at least it isn't a teen waiting in line at the clinic... see my point? |
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This would be a tough issue, [b]EXCEPT[/b] for the fact the officer was laughing about it.
We can't remove it from this story, because it [b]IS[/b] the deciding factor on how this should be handled. Killing the cat because it was a mistake is one thing, to joke or laugh about it is entirely another. I've seen cats foam at the mouth all the time due to heat and more frequently due to panic. Some cats respond with anger, others totally freeze up and piss and shit themselves. If you are not around cats or have never witnessed this, it could very well look suspicious. Is a shovel the answer? No, but a gun would probably not have made a difference in this story. Taking a chance on being bit by a reported "sick" animal is not worth it. The officer should have called in someone from animal protection and only acted if it seemed the animal was going to get away. (Sometimes though people react quickly with their gut instincts.) I'd rather read that an animal was killed by mistake as it was foaming at the mouth, than an officer killed from a rabid cat bite. As an animal lover this sucks, but we need to look at the big picture in all the events like this. SO let's get back to the first point, this guy should be suspended for his reaction. Pissing on someone's misery, especially when it's by your hand, is not only insulting, but obscene. Throw the animal rights groups on this guy (not the department) and teach him that laughing at something like this will not be tolerated. Taking a life is no laughing matter... rabies or not. Perhaps someone should smack the shit out of this officer with a shovel so he has to recover in a hospital room. Then have the pet owner and his family stay in the room and laugh at his misery. |
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Its just one man's opinion. If you get mad at every opinion you hear, you'll be mad an AWFUL lot. Which is no way to spend a lifetime. View Quote The problem here is that we hear an awful lot of YOUR opinions that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, no matter how much YOU think they are. Take a walk on the wild side garandman, fewer opinions...more moderating. BTW I'm pro-choice because of people like you. |
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Quoted: but for fun, by your logic, the abortion issue can be used as perspective for ANY topic, no? i got fired...but at least i wasn't aborted...my chevy sucks, but at least it isn't a teen waiting in line at the clinic... View Quote No, not exactly. I'm talking about RELATED issues. Your opinion on abortion probably would NOT shed much light on whether you prefer Pepsi or Coke. Your opinion of taking a human life would give you perspective on the taking of an animal life. (hopefully, we agree that human life is more sacred.) Your opinion of someone who steals food to avoid starving would give you perspective on those who steal for pleasure , or greed. Your opinion on rap music should give you perspective on if you like country music. I was comparing Macintosh apples to Red Delicious apples - not a perfect comparison, but in the same general class of "fruit." Of course, I'd prefer to be fired over being aborted, so that perspective may help me get thru the loss of a job. Dead, or unemployed?? I'll take "unemployed." |
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Quoted: Ed my unit had to shoot some stray dogs in the Gulf too (they were feeding on the dead bodies) and it made me sick, but that (as well as your story) is way different then beating a drooling cat to death in someone s back yard. View Quote I was not defending or condemning the cop's action.The story just reminded me of how sometimes we make the wrong decision(calling the cops,beating the cat to death,shooting a puppy) and a "poor devil" pays the price. [b]garandman,[/b] I think the deplorable fact that millions of pregnancies terminate in elective abortions,does not take away the indignation of a pet killed..... unnecessarily. |
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Quoted: [b]garandman,[/b] I think the deplorable fact that millions of pregnancies terminate in elective abortions,does not take away the indignation of a pet killed..... unnecessarily. View Quote Ed - I never said it did. I'm just talking about which is worse. And where we should be spending our emotional energy and social efforts to create a better society. That's all. |
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Taking a life is no laughing matter... rabies or not. Perhaps someone should smack the shit out of this officer with a shovel so he has to recover in a hospital room. Then have the pet owner and his family stay in the room and laugh at his misery. View Quote I'm totally for that... |
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Quoted: 1 dead cat... 15,000,000 dead humans. And you don't care. It has EVERYTHING to do with WHAT we should get outraged about. This type of TWISTED sense of justice is the VERY thing we ALL fight against in the gun rights fight. Like when anti's get outraged at an inanimate gun, and let the murdered off on a tachnicality. I'm over myself - what I CANNOT seem to get over is those who mourn the "murder" of a cat, and champion the murder of a human as a "right." Sick, sick sick. View Quote Looks like the Anti-Freedom/Anti-Abortion Nazis are even better at fabricating statistics than the Anti-Gun Crowd. If it only saves one child's life....... |
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garandman,
...for fun still... ok, i see your point that death issues should be compared to death issues. BUT, spend your energies on congress, NOT US! whether we like it or not, abortions are LEGAL. murdering animals, AND LAUGHING ABOUT IT IS 100% UNACCEPTABLE. |
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Quoted: The problem here is that we hear an awful lot of YOUR opinions that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, no matter how much YOU think they are.. View Quote Please give me your personal phone number so I can get my posts pre-checked by you for relevance. Take a walk on the wild side garandman, fewer opinions...more moderating. View Quote I get hammered for doing TOO MUCH moderating already. Now you hammer me for doing too much posting. Why don't you just come out and do the logically honest thing and ask me to "Go away??" Or here's a novel idea - you could discuss the merits of what I post in a rational manner. Oh sorry - there I go again thinking you have any intention of doing that. BTW I'm pro-choice because of people like you. View Quote Then, I guess I should tell you - I believe in eating meat. Now you can go do the opposite of me and become a vegetarian. [rolleyes] Oh, I also use toilet paper. I'm not sure what options that leaves you. I guess your mom never asked you the question "Would you jump off a bridge just because someone else thought it was a good idea." here's a suggestion - determine your beleifs based on some code of right and wrong - NOT as a counter-reaction to what someone else believes or does. |
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I wonder if they called animal control or
the SPCA to capture the cat? |
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Quoted: I am a cat lover, but let's gain some perspective here.... Let's see - One (1) cat killed with a shovel, or One million + (1,000,000) humans executed (every year for the last 15 years) for the high crime of some ELSE'S lack of sexual self-restraint and personal responsibility. NOW tell me where you outrage should be directed. View Quote That's a good point, but the cat situation still bothers me. |
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Quoted: The problem here is that we hear an awful lot of YOUR opinions that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, no matter how much YOU think they are. Take a walk on the wild side garandman, fewer opinions...more moderating. View Quote This just confuses me... His main role is as a participant of the forums, along those lines he also is asked to moderate things that get out of hand. (And he does a damn good job!) So why is his opinion and thoughts any different from someone else's... Choosing to agree with him or not is one thing, but asking him to STFU is just wrong... lets switch the scenario and ask how pissed off you would get if a MODERATOR asked you to stop posting..? Relax a bit, it's not worth it. I ignored most of the abortion crap in the thread... why can't you? (Sorry, but it has no place in this post IMHO so I ignored it to let it die off... ) GoatBoy's ProChoice Slogan!!! ===================================== "Keep the government out of women's vagina's, those vagina's are for us!" (Ok apologies for the poor humor!) |
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Originally Posted By Homo Erectus: Looks like the Anti-Freedom/Anti-Abortion Nazis are even better at fabricating statistics than the Anti-Gun Crowd. View Quote Ahhh, yes, that "Nazi" slur - that's ALWAYS the sign of someone ready to logically debate an issue. Actually, I think it IS a tactic of the anti-gun types. Actually, you BUSTED me. Its actually probably more like 1,000 "murdered" cats, and 30 million murdered children. Its common knowledge, and even admitted by the abortionists, that approx 1 million children per year are presently aborted (abortion has actually recently declined) and that number per year has continues roughly since the Roe v. Wade decision. Hey, here's a thought - instead of just hurling allegations, why not DISPROVE my posts?? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am a cat lover, but let's gain some perspective here.... Let's see - One (1) cat killed with a shovel, or One million + (1,000,000) humans executed (every year for the last 15 years) for the high crime of some ELSE'S lack of sexual self-restraint and personal responsibility. NOW tell me where you outrage should be directed. View Quote That's a good point, but the cat situation still bothers me. View Quote it bothers me too. If a cop can so wantonly take an animal life, it gives an indcation of how he may perform his job when a human life is at stake - like shooting first, and asking questions later. |
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Quoted: garandman, ...for fun still... ok, i see your point that death issues should be compared to death issues. BUT, spend your energies on congress, NOT US! View Quote As a Christian, I believe the Bible tells me to participate in gov't (vote, etc etc)... but that "moral" issues should be handled on a one-by-one basis. It would be taking the lazy way out to get legislation passed that FORCES everyone to believe like I do. God rather commands the Christian to speak the truth to each individual, so that they have the CHOICE whether to believe it or not. those who hear and decide not to believe therefore become accountable to God for what they have heard. God doesn't want ANYONE to obey Him becasue tehy were forced to by "Congress" but becuase they do so out of a willing heart. So, I try to spread God's principles (as defined in His Bible) around, and let people make their own decision. that's gets enuf people pissed at me. Trying to pass legislation that is "christian" would probably get me shot [:D] and more to the point, is NOT an acceptable Scriptural method IMO. (Christ, the Apostle Paul, John the Baptist NEVER ran for public office, or tried to "get legislation passed.") Peace, man. You are my 2nd Amend ally. |
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Oh brother! OK, lets replace the word "Cat" in the story with "Expensive RC car"… My problem is that a cop made a snap decision and is not going to be held accountable. I know cops have a hard job and need to make decisions, but this guy not only made a bad call, but didn’t have the brains to at least PRETENED to give a shit, that alone should get his ass outta there. Remember, the police are there FOR US; we are not there for them, hence the term “Public Servant”.
As far as abortion, isn’t that God’s bailiwick? How do you know it doesn’t serve some purpose in HIS SCHEME? Maybe that silly thing called “Free Will” (kind of like freedom)…if these people are committing a mortal sin, then they will pay for it when the Rapture comes. We as humans have enough on our plates keeping our own souls clean let alone worrying about what the “other” guy is up to. You keep you and yours straight, let the other guy damn/save himself. Remember Garandman, when we talk to God; it’s called “Prayer” when God talks to us, its “Schizophrenia”. |
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Hmm, wasn't there a CAT involved in this post somewhere...
FOCUS PEOPLE FOCUS!!! The needless loss of pussy is unacceptable in this country. ]=) (Just trying to get us back on track here!) Oh and my idea about how to handle the cop is still the best solution, IMHO. I just wish this sort of thing never happened it not only hurts the department the guy works for, but officers everywhere are given a black eye by morons like this guy. |
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As this is a bulletin board about AR-15s, you would think the most heated discussions would be about the RKBA, AR v. AK, .223 lethality, etc. Instead, the two issues that bring out the most vehemence are cat and fetus killing.
I am really amazed that Al Gore is not president. |
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YOU SAY AL GORE AGAIN AND I WILL BAN YOUR ASS!!!
]=) (Yes that was a joke.) |
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Quoted: Peace, man. You are my 2nd Amend ally. View Quote peace. now i have to go get pissed off about my 2 hour commute! later folks! |
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Quoted: As this is a bulletin board about AR-15s, you would think the most heated discussions would be about the RKBA, AR v. AK, .223 lethality, etc. Instead, the two issues that bring out the most vehemence are cat and fetus killing. I am really amazed that Al Gore is not president. View Quote It`s called GENERAL DISCUSSION !!!!!!!!!! [8] |
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Quoted: Remember Garandman, when we talk to God; it’s called “Prayer” when God talks to us, its “Schizophrenia”. View Quote LOL!!!!!!! that's funny!!! But not true - when God talks to us, its called the Bible. OK - I'll leave it at that . I've taken us all far enuf afield. Like that other dude said - whachk the cop silly with the shovel. Or maybe smash teh cops personal car, or stereo system, or Deal??? |
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I think what really messed this thread up was G-man poking the right to life thing in there. There was no mention previous to that. You seem to be obsessed with it. That's fine for you. However you know it is a devisive issue and yet you continue to throw it out there. Who needs moderating on this subject? I understand that you may have just held it in too long now that you are moderating, but you gotta control those urges. Besides it's Wednesday night & I'm sure being the good Southern Christian you are, you will be attending church this evening. You can commune with like minded people in just a few hours... :)
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Leave it to you guys to make a thread initially made to be funny (at least what I thought), to an argument.
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Quoted: I understand that you may have just held it in too long now that you are moderating, but you gotta control those urges. Scott View Quote Scott - i wear TWO hats - one of them is a moderator. the other hat is that of a person with an opinion. Don't get the two confused. I'm TRYING to re-steer this discussion BACK to the cat and the cop (see my last post above.) That won't happen if SOMEONE keeps bringing up my "off topic" posts. If you have a REAL beef with / about me, contact me PERSONALLY, or try to get me booted as a moderator. Frankly, its IS more hassle than it is worth. Now, about that "darn cat...." |
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Quoted: Quoted: Jerk-offs like that give all cops a black eye... View Quote Pun intended? View Quote Thanks, I needed that (wiping away tears).[:D] |
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G-man, I have no real beef with you. I just don't agree wit you on many points. Sometimes my "bull--it meter" pegs. I think when we do meet to shoot or walk a gun show, we will be brothers in arms. Don't think I don't like you personally because I'm sure I will. There is a show here in Cola on Aug 4-5. Any in G'ville prior to that?
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