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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:54:13 AM EDT
[#1]
I am more pissed at whoever leaked the photos.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:54:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:56:36 AM EDT
[#3]
People obtain honor by their actions and intentions. Her only intentions so the media says was not to serve her country, but to get the $ and perks that being in the .mil provides.
She deserves what she got. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:56:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Personally, I agree 100% with what she did...what better way to demoralize Arab Muslim males than to have a woman, an unattractive woman, exhibiting power and control over them and humiliating them sexually?
Good for her...shame on the higher-ups for stopping it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:59:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Are you serious or are you being sarchastic?
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Posted: 9/28/2005 10:59:40 AM EDT
[#6]
As a .mil person I beleive that they should have never made the photos public. This could have been handled in house with a stiffly worded letter of....
PROMOTION!!!!!!! She should at least just be seperated and not serve time. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:00:03 AM EDT
[#7]
*snip snip snip*
Hell that would bother me. 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:00:35 AM EDT
[#8]
My high school football team did worse things for initiations.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:01:44 AM EDT
[#9]
You forgot to preface your tirade with "Trusted sources from South Florida..."
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:02:00 AM EDT
[#10]
3 years for taking pictures with naked terrorist POW's? What a waste. She should've just been discharged and this all been done.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:02:17 AM EDT
[#11]
What a joke. She abuses people for no possible constructive purpose. I don't think the photos should have been leaaked, NOR SHOULD THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN.
I do not condone sadism. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:03:20 AM EDT
[#12]
To strip such an American soldier as Lyndie England is not only unkind, and unjust, but also most profane. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:04:18 AM EDT
[#13]
Sir,lets call it like it is.She is not unattractive.She is plain fugly! She is a hero? Ha! 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:05:00 AM EDT
[#14]
DAMN! Can I do it over? |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:06:35 AM EDT
[#15]
She's a sadistic bully, and her stupidity probably incited further violence against other US troops. She's a disgrace to the military and to the country, and for people to call her a hero is sick.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:07:51 AM EDT
[#16]
I concur. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:08:28 AM EDT
[#17]
I don't feel bad for what she did, rather that she let it come to the surface worldwide and likely expose our boys to a more dedicated, driven enemy.
If she was hot I think things would've gone down in a much different way. Much better for her too. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:10:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Exactly. She is by no means a "hero." Let's not devalue the meaning and place her on the same level as say, the passengers of Flight 93. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:10:34 AM EDT
[#19]
I can't beleive anybody even TOOK picture's. 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:11:11 AM EDT
[#20]
Oh well. I suppose she should have really earned her sentence. Maybe sent a few videos out to muslim families. Or beheaded these guys on camera, and then dumped their bodies in a street someplace.
That's what the popular muslim insurgent culture does. Liberals seem to think that they're pretty cool. We should want our soldiers to 'raise' themselves to the exacting standards of the opressed muslim people.  This shit makes me sick. Whowever Edited cause I honestly agree that their should have been no pictures. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:12:36 AM EDT
[#21]
You mean if she looked like this chick? 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:12:38 AM EDT
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I disagree, I think there was probably plenty of constructive purpose. I would bet money that the CIA or Mil Intel people told the guards effective techniques to break down the prisoners. I am sure they were employing said techniques. Taking the photos was the mistake, and letting them get out was an even bigger mistake. They were doing exactly the most humiliating and degrading things to a hardcore RoPer fundamentalist that you could, in order to break them down for more effective interogation. For a RoPer fundamentalist what was being done was worse than death. Hell, since they believe if they die in the service of allah, they get a bunch of virgins (doesn't say whether they would be male or female....) some goats, maybe some Feta and honey or some shit, death would have been preferable for them..... They were dumb, they got caught. The ultimate handlers, whatever alphabet agency they might be from, will never let on that they told them what and how to do it....nor why. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:13:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:14:39 AM EDT
[#24]
well lets just see it in the light of Watergate.
She didn't do much that others have not done....she just got caught at it. If anyone here is naive enough to think that in the past Americans have not shot unarmed prisoners..you would be wrong. I am not talking about VN here, I am talking previous wars. Yeah it happens, only when someone leaks info does it get made public and an example set. Does it really set an example or just placate the public? I would say the latter. People have to do what they have to do in combat situations but that doesn't make sadism correct but I can guarantee it still goes on today and will in every war or combat action. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:15:08 AM EDT
[#25]
I do not feel that she had any honor to strip.
She screwed around with married men, multiple men, in front of others. She had no morals. She took those under her control, who were helpless to resist, and humiliated them for fun. Her obligations as a guard over these men was to make certain that they saw no harm on her watch and she caused them harm. THERE IS NO HONOR IN WHAT SHE AND HER FELLOW SOLDIERS DID. None. If she had any honor at all she would have admitted her guilt so that a trial could have been avoided and less public shame fallen on the Army. Some of this falls on me, because I am a member of that Army. She was not stripped of Honor because she had no honor to be stripped of. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:15:58 AM EDT
[#26]
you forgot. when she gets out she will be employed as a consultant by the above alphabet agency |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:17:06 AM EDT
[#27]
it was stupid to take photos, but i don't think she should have to do any time.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:18:06 AM EDT
[#28]
+1 Calling her a hero is an insult to anyone who ever donned a rifle and strapped on some boondockers. Mistreating POW's may or not be against the UCMJ depending on the severity of the incident, but it goes against the spirit of the law and damages the credibility of the american fighting force abroad.   I have more respect for Barbara Streisand. She is a loony bitch, but she is consistant. She stands up for what she believes and will defend her actions. Lynndie England is a loony bitch that won't even defend her own actions. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:21:47 AM EDT
[#29]
Even if that is true (and we can't say that it is) she was still committing an illegal act. Her MOS is not interrogator, and she does not work for the Secret Army of Northern Virginia. If she were a pro, there would have been no pictures, and no worldwide outrage. My recollection is that half the men in her unit are Corrections types back home, and most of them had violations on their record. In Iraq they could get away with things that they couldn't in the U.S. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:22:34 AM EDT
[#30]
That is a strong argument. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:23:59 AM EDT
[#31]
Nazi's learned that one.... |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:24:46 AM EDT
[#32]
Not guilty by reason of arousal! Edit: Sad but true. 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:25:21 AM EDT
[#33]
It was meant to be. Her lawyers and her testimony have both argued that because of her upbringing she has diminished capacity and poor if any decision making skills. What she was doing in uniform and not in a halfway house for the mentally deficient is beyond me. Her recruiter should face charges as well. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:27:18 AM EDT
[#34]
She got what she deserved and the sentence was more than fair.
There is no place for the wierd, sexual, sadistic bullshit she took part in. Not in the military, not in any prsion, not in any society. Sad that she has to go to prison but "don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Good riddance, PFC Lyndie. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:27:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Is she smart....probably not. Is she pretty...not by a long shot. Is she a hero...the way I define a hero....no, but she did put on the uniform, and did go in country, so I give her more credit than the liberal scumbags sitting in this country bitching about the war and hating our soldiers. I stand by my thought that she was following the orders from somewhere above by either Army Intel, or an alphabet agency. They were practicing psy-ops against potential intel sources in order to break their will...but no one will come out and say it. And the fucker that leaked the photos....he needs a blanket party...every night for the rest of his life. His actions endangered American lives ultimately.... |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:34:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Have you ever served? No flame intended, but nobody has to follow illegal orders. What she did was wrong. If she was orderded to do so, the person issueing the orders was wrong. Either way, she got a just punishment for her crimes. You can bet that if someone in Leavenworth does to her what she did to others, there would be a SHITSTORM the likes of which would make Watergate look like a NY subway pickpocketing. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 11:57:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Yes, I have...19E in the Guard, made it to a 3rd year Cadet in ROTC until I broke my ankle....Desert Storm time period... And I know no one has to follow an illegal order. But I'm here to tell you, if I was still in, and with my unit in a combat zone, and someone told me..."see that guy, he has info that could save your life or that of your buddies, just beat it out of him" and I thought that was true, guess what, I'd drag his ass behind a tent and beat him until he told me the info. You think VC or NVA weren't tortured (one way or another) at times during Vietnam in order to gain info? Or other enemies in other wars? Look, I am not saying she is innocent of what she was charged with, clearly, thanks to the stupidty of taking photo's, and the douchebag whistle blower, who apparently cared more about the enemy than other US troops, she is. I think she is being made an example of. I think the sentence is harsh. I think the military is caving to the pressure of a liberal media and liberals in this country who will use every opportunity they can get to blacken the eye of our military. I just think that people who think that these guy (and girls) who did this, just did it on their own, are wrong. Of course I may be wrong, its just my opinion, but thats how I feel.... |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:03:03 PM EDT
[#38]
Dude, someone said "strip" and "Lyndie England" in the same sentence. BTW, the Queen of England just called the President and asked if the Court would change her name to Lyndie France.
True story. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:09:10 PM EDT
[#39]
The word 'Hero' means absoultely nothing anymore. It is handed out to everyone for absolutely nothing.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:13:24 PM EDT
[#40]
That I think we can all agree on...its like when they hand out ribbons to everyone in those elementary school field days, it gets to the point where things don't mean anything anymore. If everyone can get one, its not special anymore.... |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:15:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Bull. What Calley did was just as wrong as that done by England. She was NOT trained in corrections and her contact with prisoners was criminal. It did NOTHING to help the cause. Calley was at least in combat operations when he did wrong. It is impossible to PROVE the officers KNEW of these illegal actions. The NCOs present paid dearly...that this PFC got only three years is fitting. Had she disobeyed a lawful order, at most she would have been docked rank and pay. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:24:01 PM EDT
[#42]
Thank you for your service, but if there is torture going on, I don't want to know about it. What happens outside the chain of command stays outside the chain of command. We agree on that, and the fact that the asshole who took and released the pics should endure a lengthy blanket party. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:27:47 PM EDT
[#43]
She herself threw away long ago whatever honor she once had. This was just the paperwork follow-up.
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:27:59 PM EDT
[#44]
Scapegoat.....meanwhile beheadings still go on by the bad guys...
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:35:16 PM EDT
[#45]
That is a weak argumnet....Beheadings will go on, even as prisinors in Gitmo gained an avg of 18lbs. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 12:55:18 PM EDT
[#46]
WE ARE AT FUCKING WAR PEOPLE
IF HUMILIATING TERRORISTS BY MAKING THEM WEAR WOMENS PANTIES ON THEIR HEADS WILL SAVE AMERICAN LIVES, OR GARNER VALUABLE INTELLIGENCE DATA....THEN IT IS FINE BY ME TERRORISTS DESERVE ALL THE HUMILIATION (AND PANTIES) WE CAN HEAP ON THEM 
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Posted: 9/28/2005 1:07:52 PM EDT
[#47]
This post shows an obvious lack of reading as to the purpose of Abu Ghraib. Not everyone there knows something, and if they did, the best way to get it from them does not involve rednecks, sluts, or the National Guard. The photos will cause more American deaths than torturing some Watermelon farmer who looked suspicious ever would. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 1:09:37 PM EDT
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While I could certainly never prove it, I have absolutely no doubt personally that the actions of her and her cohorts have hurt the war on terror and have indirectly cost the lives of other American soldiers.
For absolutely nothing. If the war in Iraq is worth fighting, then it’s worth winning. And this was a step in the opposite direction. If some “feel-good” humiliation of Iraqi prisoners is more important to us than winning, we shouldn’t be there. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 1:11:05 PM EDT
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Why? The conduct being portrayed was not proper and cannot be condoned. |
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Posted: 9/28/2005 1:11:33 PM EDT
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True American Hero?!? And who gives a shit about being a mother, crack whores have kids. Doesn't mean shit. |
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