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How the fuck did they get the tank on fire without being shot? Poor guy jumping from the tank. He should have just stayed inside instead of opening the hatch.
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Should have just spun that turret a few 360s while firing.
If these cockroaches cannot be tamed they must be exterminated. |
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I wonder how those rag heads would like a couple of Tornados to come by and drop some cluster munitions on them?
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What he said... It's proof positive there are some peoples that just ain't quite ready for this whole civilization thing- Lee |
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Confusing. Sounds like a clusterfuck that got out of hand. |
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There's a vid on the BBC too. As much as they might have deserved it the crew, esp. the driver showed amazing restraint.
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heh....
I say we back out and bring in the B52s.. Don't know why we bothered to "rebuild" get all US personnel off the ground and away and just carpet bomb the country from one border to the other... see how ready they are to cooperate after we spend a month or two bombing them day and night. |
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Updated Official info:
The two guys were undercover Special Forces keeping tabs on arms comming over the border from Iran to the local Militias who have started attacking British Troops recently. They were pulled up by the local Iraqi Police who got heavy and got shot for their pains. British troops have been warned to watch out for Militia setting up roadblocks dressed as Police. They were captured and taken to the local Iraqi Police Prison. Iraqi higher ups ordered to local Police to hand them back to the British but they refused… now we come to the 'kick off'… British Intel got word that they had been handed over by the IRAQI POLICE to the insurgents… so… they went down mob handed to find out were they were. A crowd was waiting for them, having been tipped off by the Police and they attacked the troops setting two Warrior APC's on fire. Troops returned fire killing 4 and wounding 15. The troops fell back and regrouped and came back with reinforcements. They smashed down the compound wall with a tank and at the point of a 30mm cannon the local Chief of Police gave them the address were they had been taken and they raided it and got the guys back from the militia. British .Mil is very pissed. Andy |
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You know, about a year ago it was the UK that stopped us from attacking Iran over their sending Revolutionary Guards across to reenforce Al Sadr.
May need to rethink that now I bet... |
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Dang!
I'm very happy the British got their men back... Bravo Two Zero was too painful so painful to read... |
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Good on ya, lads. Treachery should be met with immediate and painful death.
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Amen! |
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This is what the British get for having a "hands off" policy in Basra.
They figured if they didnt piss off the insurgents, and let the locals handle things they would be better off. Guess again. |
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Iran has way too much oil cash- and they don't spend anything on their own people so its all availble for stuff like buying Iraqi police officers.
How much more evidence do we need before invading Iran? There will not be peace in Iraq untill both Iran and Syria have undergone "regime change"- and it behooves us to do it before Iran gets the bomb... |
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Trying to teach the Iraqi people democracy appears to make as much sense as trying to teach a gorilla calculus. They are nothing but savages.
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There is no evidence for that. There is evidence that Iran is buying up all the people it can, and so is Syria on the other side of the country. |
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Yes... because the first regime change went so well.... let's do another |
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It appears that the Iraqi public is not aware of this yet. The Iraqi goverment must of imposed some sort of gag on the local media. But of course its on the international press so that will only last till tomorrow morning...
Still there is no one blogging about it yet. Which group is to blame (Zarqawi, Sadir ect) for buying the police. |
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"Regime change" as a cure for the region will ONLY work if ALL the goverments in the region undergo it. It was the only way this would work from the start. Iraq was far less involved in terror than Syria and Iran- but it was politically isolated and militarily weak, and it was much easier to enter. And since its geographically between the two and US troops there would be ideally positioned to invade either of the stronger countries. |
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Lol, glockguy40, you're funny. I think I'm going to to a search for your past posts, just for a laugh... I mean, ignorance at your level just has to be more than natural talent. You must've been working at it for years! |
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So basically we should use our military to colonize the middle east and install puppet regimes.... yea... that will create democracy.... and I'm sure it will drain the pool of hate for us in the region as well. Yup, that will be sure to dry up and the breeding grounds for terrorists. |
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Haha, I'd just like to note that the "evil liberal" NYT columnist and multiple pulitzer prize winner Thomas Friedman backed going into Iraq 100% because "we could"
I remember he said something along the lines of: for the last 50 years we didn't give a squat about the middle east as long as they gave us oil cheap... we let hatred brew in that region, and now we have to correct it! Attacking Iraq JUST BECAUSE we could is justifiable, because we're sending that region a message: Don't fuck with us! That was just a paraphrase, please don't quote me |
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But we also have let ourselves get involved too much in Iraq... was all this really needed to secure the area as a operating base for the next invasion? Did we really have to try and start the conversion to democracy so soon? Syria and Iran will continue to send terrorists and fund warring factons in Iraq in order to keep us there wasting time and money untill they have acquired enough atom bombs to hold us off for ever. |
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It is you who are the fool... not I. You see what you want to see... and you see only what the media shows you. On 9/11 you saw some palestinians in the streets jumping for joy, maybe a couple hundred. But you didn't see the tens of thousands of muslims in Iran and elsewhere who were crying in a candle light vigil in support of the U.S. There have been statements that muslims have made against terrorism... but people here have always wrote them off as self-serving or as lies to mask people's "true feelings". Muslims are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they speak out against terrorism, you discount it; and if they say nothing, you criticism them for it. They can't win with people like you, and they never will.... you're too naive and ignorant. |
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Thats crazy. Atleast Saddam kept these bastards under control. I dont know what the hell is going on there now.
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Well, from what I can gather
1. Not all Muslims are evil 2. The invasion of Iraq: maybe it was nessecary? Yes/No. Was it well planned and thought out? No. No reason to cry over spilled milk, now that we are there, what are the options? Withdrawal? No way! We'll just have to let messy democracy work its way into that region... And I have a feeling EVERYONE in American can agree on how messy democracy is! |
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I have seen pleanty of evidence that the Iranians for one would gladly support removal of the Ayatollah. But even if 90 percent of the population does that still leaves a million or more ready to die for the regime, that means a lot of suicide bombers for years to come either way. The Iranians are not going to come out and cheer for us because they saw what Saddam did to the Kurds and Shiia in 1991 and they know their army will do the same. Our failure in 1991 has insured that in every one of these countries we will NOT see public support untill US troops roll in and set up camp. Even then the presence of die-hards who will go around at night and kill anyone who is seen working with us will keep many from getting close for fear of their and their families lives. It is never going to look like WWII France or Holland in any of these countries due to the nature of the enemy. |
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Do they want the Ayatollahs gone, yes... but not by any means. After the steady dose of images they have seen coming out of Iraq, Iranians, even the ones that want nothing but democracy, don't want us anywhere near their country. They don't want Iran to become another Iraq... they want slow gradual change from within, not by force from the outside. The people would not support us.... |
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Iraq is a hopeless shithole.
Anyone expecting Democracy to gain a foothhold there is on crack. A vast majority of Iraqi's wanted Saddam gone. Now that he is, they desire nothing more than to continue the savagery that Saddam spent years committing. The fundamentalists want an Islamic Theocracy and there is no shortage of scumbags who are willing and able to aid the insurgency by any means necessary. I have no doubt that Civil War is on the menu. These people strive for nothing more than to live in a society where one religion is practiced and accepted. The Government they desire is rooted in the Middle Ages. Barbarism and savagery is all they know and I don't see anything changing that fact. These people are hopeless and the minority who desire Democracy won't stand up to fight the extremist ideology for fear of reprisals. Nobody can be protected and watched 24-7. The meltdown is forthcoming. HS1 |
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I agree. Iran and Syria are targeting corruptible people in power. The solution is to find those people and execute them. |
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Well, I'm ready to pull out of Iraq.
Why the hell are we wasting our time there? The whole damn thing stinks. |
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I love it when soldiers look out for their own.
Good job on getting them back! |
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hehe, whatever you say buddy. You keep pandering to them, that'll make it all be fine. We'll all sing kumbya someday thanks to guys like you who understand what us little people cannot. |
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Except there is no evidence of Iraqis as a whole being hostile to the Americans, to democracy, or wishing for civil war. Example:
If you would bother to go read the blogs from people actually in the country instead of listening to the TV news networks you would know this. iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ |
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Well, i'm very dissapointed! Everyone seemed to be in support of going to war on this forum, and support President Bush for his war on terror, but now everyone wants to leave?!
If you can't finish the job THEN DON'T FUCKING START IT. If we leave now it'll be worse then if we had never went into that country anyway. Leaving Iraq now would be... catastrophic! If you are upset over the situation, well you better hope our government and military can fix it, because without our support for this democracy that place will become 1000X times worse then it was under Saddam's brutal rule and that was pretty effing bad. I say, don't be so negative, regime changes are messy (and usually fail) so lets hope this one goes a little bit better. I may not be a hard line right winger, but i think the only choice right now is to support Bush regardless of your political affiliation... IT'S YOUR ONLY CHOICE NOW! haha, i'd draw a game theory matrix and explain it to you but that's what I do everyday now. |
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So far the only thing I have seen us do wrong is assume that somehow Syria and Iran would NOT do everything they could to bring Iraq to a state of anarchy, expessly to assure that they themselves would not be our next targets.
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"Next targets"? Clone Army nearly ready? |
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You must be one of those mentioned at the end of this next piece:
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Armed Liberal? I heard you Neocons went both ways.
Read the posts on THIS board and DESPAIR. No Iran war for you. No Syria. No megalomaniacal scheme will be achieved unless YOU do it. America can be fooled once but not twice (though I know you'll try). |
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F'em.
The Kurds in the North are our only "friends" there. Coincidently that's where the oil is too. Let's keep them well-armed and fuck the rest of the place. |
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