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Posted: 9/17/2005 11:22:36 PM EDT
(ETA: Let me note that their Roberts editorial did not affect me, So I thought I'd be prepared for this article...) I'm not even gonna add italics or bold to any lines. I'm not even gonna complain about how they are trying to skew an issue from the left to the center (title of article, second sentence, e.g. "we're so center of the spectrum, yipee! oh by the way, so is abortion!) and doing such a horrible job of it. I'm not even gonna talk about how I feel about abortion. I'm just gonna post this for you to read, while I try not to cry over the complete loss of sense, compassion, morailty and the complete and total utter selfishness of the women mentioned in the article. For the first time (in a while) something the Times wrote has 'gotten' to me. Some of the things these women say truly made me recoil in horror and made me wonder about our country.....
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Why do these people even say they are religious clearly they are not. You cannot be of a church and ignore its rules with such flipancy.
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I love the NY Times. The editors act and write as though they live on Mt. Olympus, but their paper has virtually no credibility with close to half the country. Certainly not with me. Their opinion columnists can make up facts, or even turn the truth completely on its head, and the editors dont care. Entire blogs are devoted to fact-checking a single one of their columnists, Paul Krugman, who lies, distorts, and deceives his readers twice a week in his column. But their ombudsman is FINALLY getting fed up.
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Yeah, just like those die hard anti choicers who blow up clinics eh? Course, all in the name of God. Your God maybe, but sure as hell not mine........ |
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You're taking a couple of whak-jobs as representative of all G-d fearing Americans? |
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Thats a fuckin dangerous line your walkin with that statement........ Because it applies to all religions...... |
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How many abortion clinics have been blown up? Why is it that if you ask 100 people if they could go back in time and kill Hitler before the holocost at least 95 of them would do it but if you suggest that someone interrupts the killing factory of today they are an extremeist? splain that to me please. |
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I am an athiest/ non care ologist so not my god, I dont care what someones religion says, but they should not be hypocrites they should stick to what it says. |
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Oh please. My bigger point (The abortion clinic bombers was an example) is how utterly disgusting and reprehensible it is to say these people arent religious because they get an abortion. In fact, its a safe bet that EVERY person has sinned based upon their religious beliefs. it is impossible to life a sin free life. To think otherwise is to live in denial of sin. So why pick out one area to suddenly get on our soapbox about who is and who is not religious? |
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Look. Roe vs. Wade is a State's Rights argument. Nothing more.
Think about it. It removed the right of the state to decide wheather or not it would be legal, in their jurisdiction, for a woman to abort their unborn child. That's all it did. At the time almost half the union (23 states) allowed abortion. The Roe vs Wade decision took the decision for that out of the states and put it firmly in the hands of the federal government. Honestly, I'm somewhat surprised at the vehemence about overturning that decision. You would think a lot of people here would have grasped that, and clamored for the overturning of that decision, so states could determine their own destiny instead of having it dictated to them by the federal government. Not saying wheather abortion is wrong or right. I'm simply saying the judicial decision was flawed because it took away more states rights. |
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So your God kills babies? Is his name "Allah?" |
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Anti-choice.
Because Pro-Life sounds so.....human. I guess when one changes the wording to make themselves feel better about it, somewhere inside they acknowledge that it is murder. |
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Ohhh. So in your eyes (Dont pretend to speak for God) its ok to kill everyone in an abortion clinic...But not ok to kill babies? I didnt know we can seperate killing into "good" and "bad" killing. Aside from that, I didnt know Allah approved of killing babies. |
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I'm pro-choice when it comes to murdering abortion doctors. I mean, I think it's apprehensible and completely wrong, but if someone else wants to go do it, it's their right.
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Why dont you tell that to the family of the people killed in the Eric Rudolph case in 1998. Theres also that little deal down in Oklahoma. Good thing no one died in that huh? Any other "facts" you want to share with us? You know what scares me the most? Muslims, who hate the fact America is involved in their country (For whatever reason) commit acts of terrorism on America and kills Americans, and we want to hang every Muslim in the world. A Christian commits acts of terrorism on America and kills Americans, and we celebrate him as a hero. Interesting. Thanks for that. I'm getting less and less respect for the people of my country everyday. |
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The general mindset of the criminals that blow up abortion clinics are not the same as a blood-thirsty muslim terrorist. American hating terrorists want to kill the most Americans as possible, while the abortion clinic bomber has the goal of destroying the equipment used to kill babies. Apples and oranges. This is not true in every case, but most of them. There are those who will use it as an exuse to kill, but they are not the majority.
I due not support the bombing of abortion clinics, and those who do should be prosecuted. I just wanted to poin out that your statement about them killing people to prevent baby killing does not reflect the norm. |
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I should have the right to do what the hell I want with my body. If I want my body to kill your body, I should have the legal choice to do so.
If you disagree, you are "anti-choice." |
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So, theres different levels of terrorism. So, if a American hating muslim blows up a building with the people in it, thats terrorism. But if he were to blow up that building when no one is in it, what is it then? What if that same Amercian hating Muslim attacks only military targets, like a Navy ship? is that ok? Because, whether or not the abortion clinic bomber wants to kill people or not, terrorism is terrorism. And these Christians who are commiting these acts are NO BETTER then the Muslim terrorists who are commiting terrorism. However, I will agree that there is still a difference. As you say, its not the norm. I'm simply trying to point out the precendent being set when people bring up stopping abortion. The law has ruled on it. Period. We dont like gun laws, but I dont see anyone shooting Senators. Because its the law. Same with abortion. You dont have to like it, but its what the law has ruled. And to take the law into ones own hands makes one a terrorist, or at the very least a criminal of the state. I'll let the reader determine which. |
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Yeah, that's over the top. Pisses me off, too. Eddie |
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I just don't know what to say... |
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I'm all for controlling population growth, but this is some sick sh*t.
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Are you nuts? How, then, do you explain the Atlanta, GA abortion clinic bombing. The one where the initial explosion (during clinic hours) was followed up 45 minutes later by a secondary explosion (in a dumpster) specifically designed to kill responding rescuers......Sheeesh...Get your facts straight before spewing your horseshit..... |
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I assume you are referring to Islam!? There's no comparison between Islam and Christianity. Read "The Sword and the Prophet"... ... ... |
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Alexia, who wore a cross pendant, prayed all through the two-and-a-half-hour drive from Delta State University in Mississippi. At 23, she was having her third abortion. "My religion is against it," she said, adding that she is a Baptist. "In a way I feel I'm doing wrong, but you can be forgiven. I blame myself. I feel I shouldn't have sex at all."
You SHOULD. This PISSES me off, fucking savage |
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Yeah, it's the same as telling a fib. Moral relativism at its absolute worst. People are scum. |
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But you are free to do just that if you want to. There are concequences but you are free to take your gun or a knife or a club or whatever and stroll up to a random person and end their life. A law isn't a magical restraint. It only provides concequences. You are still free to do it if you choose to. There may not be a law against abortion, but there are social consequences. None of the women who spoke for that article would give their full, real names. |
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Just once I'd like to see a story from the baby's perspective. That might change a few minds.
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No it wouldn't. People anymore are so self centered and indulgent that some would kill their infants if it were legal to do so. Hell, some still do it. You just don't understand the type of people you are dealing with here but here goes: I am typing this to all of you from Heaven. It had been a virtual eternity but finally I was to have my chance at life on Earth. I was sent down to be a newly conceived embryo with expectation of a full life and all the joys, pleasures and challenges that being a human being would bring. I was warm, cozy and developing nicely. Soon I had arms and legs, blood was being pumped through my body. Things were going nicely. Unbeknownst to me my mother had decided that she was going to move on to another boyfriend and that my inconsequential life would inconveneince her too much. She carried me with her to a doctor's clinic. I couldn't make much out but they were talking about how to rid her of my life and its responsibilities. I think at one point the woman talking to her said it was for the best and that I was nothing. Just a "clump of cells", useless tissue without form, or even rudimentary thought. I would feel no pain she told my mother who so wanted to believe the horror that was being whitewashed in front of her. I remember thinking God will be displeased but before I knew it I was being ripped limb from limb. First one of my arms, then my legs, then my head. That is all I remember. Soon I was in Heaven and Jesus held me in his arms telling me my pain was over. I consider now and then whether or not my mother will be forgiven for her crime against humanity and God, whether she will even realize the evil she perpetrated and whether she will ask for forgiveness. I can only hope that no others are sent to her to be murdered. |
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