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Posted: 9/12/2005 7:25:41 AM EDT
As one might say in German. 'The Gaza is free of Jews!' All synagogues burned to the ground!', in English.
Gazans Burn Synagogues in Israeli Soldiers' Wake By Laura King and Ken Ellingwood Times Staff WritersMon Sep 12, 7:55 AM ET GAZA CITY — Palestinians surged triumphantly into demolished Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip early today, torching empty synagogues and firing shots into the air, as the last Israeli soldiers withdrew after 38 years of occupation. The troops' departure marked the final step in the government's decision to leave Gaza, which Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East War, and opened an era laden with uncertainty for the coastal enclave's 1.3 million Palestinian residents. Having evacuated about 8,500 Jewish settlers last month and overseen the razing of their homes, the 3,000 Israeli soldiers moved out before sunrise in convoys of tanks and armored personnel carriers. As they left, calls went out from mosques declaring Gaza's "liberation." "This is a day of happiness and joy that the Palestinian people have not witnessed for a century," Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said. At the former Netzarim settlement in northern Gaza, one of several places where crowds pushed past cordons of Palestinian police after the Israeli troops had left, thick clouds of smoke darkened the sky at dawn. Men made their way around the demolished community on bicycle, donkey and foot, scavenging door frames and toilets. Some in the crowd tied the flags of the largest militant groups — green for Hamas, black for Islamic Jihad — around their necks as capes. "It's ours now, and I had to come out to see it with my own eyes," said Raed Dashan, 29, of Gaza City. Celebrating Palestinians set fire to the synagogue in Netzarim, and there were reports of similar torchings in Morag and other locations. Palestinian security forces appeared to have decided not to use force and instead let the celebrations play out, although it was unclear whether they could have held back the crowds if they had wanted to. The Israeli Cabinet held its final vote on the pullout Sunday. Within hours, Israeli military commanders in the Gaza Strip had lowered their nation's flag, and the first convoys of armored vehicles began carrying equipment out of the territory. In a last-minute reversal, the Cabinet voted to leave intact more than two dozen synagogues in the former settlements, despite warnings from Palestinian Authority officials that they could not ensure their protection. Palestinian officials announced late Sunday that they would demolish the buildings. Palestinian leaders' displeasure with the Israeli Cabinet's decision on the synagogues prompted them to boycott a hand-over ceremony with Israeli commanders at the Erez crossing between Israel and the northern Gaza Strip. Last month, Israel evacuated all 21 Jewish settlements in Gaza and four tiny communities in the northern West Bank, an area its forces also seized during the 1967 conflict. The moves marked the first time Israel had abandoned established settlements in areas the Palestinians hope to make their own state. Preparations for the troop pullout unfolded Sunday in an atmosphere of historic significance, with Israeli commentators assessing the long Israeli presence, and ordinary Gazans, especially those living in towns and villages nearest the former settlements, expressing plain joy. "We're so, so, so happy," said Yehiyeh Bashir, a 55-year-old father of nine whose house in the village of Deir al Balah overlooked the settlement of Kfar Darom. He and neighbors pulled up white plastic chairs and sipped tea, watching the slow, rumbling movement of Israeli tanks in Kfar Darom, now a wasteland of rubble. A carnival air hung over much of Gaza. Teens keeping lookout shouted excitedly to one another whenever a tank began moving. Women ululated in celebration, and car horns honked. Trucks mounted with speakers moved through the streets, playing Palestinian nationalist songs and waving Hamas or Islamic Jihad flags. Controversy over the synagogues within Israel's government crackled until the last minute, when the majority of Cabinet ministers reversed course by voting against demolition after intensive lobbying by rabbis who opposed the razing of the houses of worship. Private homes in the evacuated settlements had already been demolished. The 14-2 Cabinet vote overturned a 15-month-old government decision to destroy synagogues as part of the evacuation. The Cabinet decision to leave the synagogues in place crossed party lines, but commentators said the shift appeared to have been influenced heavily by maneuvering in Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's conservative Likud Party. The party's hard-line central committee will meet in two weeks to decide whether to hold an early primary and, Israeli analysts said, ministers were mindful of how the synagogue issue would play out among its members, many of whom are religiously observant. The tide began to turn late last week, when Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, who previously had spoken in favor of demolition, announced that he now opposed destroying the synagogues. On Sunday, Sharon said he too had changed his mind. The decision left the fate of the synagogues in Abbas' hands. Palestinian officials had turned down an earlier Israeli request that they act as caretakers because of concerns that they could not prevent militants from defacing the synagogues as symbols of the Israeli presence. "It is a very unfair decision to put us in a situation where if we demolish them we will be doomed, and if we don't, we'll be doomed," chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said. "This is the last thing we want." Other critics said desecration of the buildings by Palestinians might spur Jewish extremists to attack Muslim houses of worship in retaliation, setting off a new cycle of conflict. The Cabinet's vote was its last on the Gaza evacuation, which has dominated political debate in Israel for a year and a half. Sharon proposed leaving Gaza, the scene of frequent clashes between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants, as a way to reduce friction and allow Israel to focus on retaining its much larger settlements in the West Bank. On Sunday evening, Israeli soldiers lowered their nation's flag in a ceremony at the army's Gaza division headquarters near the former settlement of Neve Dekalim. "This is the beginning of a new chapter," the division's commander, Brig. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, said during the solemn, 20-minute event. "The strip is being transferred to our neighbors. It's the beginning of a new reality, which only the future will tell what it holds for us." It remains to be seen whether the Israeli troops, once departed, will stay gone for long. Israel has promised to respond harshly to volleys of rockets or mortar shells fired by militants from Gaza into southern Israeli communities. Israel also could strike if it sees the Palestinian Authority as doing too little to rein in fighters or arms smuggling. Abbas has orchestrated seven months of relative quiet by coaxing militant groups, particularly Hamas, into halting their attacks. But Israel wants him to confront the militias more forcefully, saying Palestinian leaders' success in subduing armed groups will help determine whether future peace moves are possible. "For the first time, not only in 38 years, but ever, Gaza is given the opportunity to act like a state, with its own regime," Giora Eiland, Israel's national security chief, told Israel Radio on Sunday. But Palestinians say it is premature to declare an end to Israel's military occupation until it gives up control of border crossings and allows them to reopen the airport and construct a seaport. "By reserving itself the ability to invade the Gaza Strip and by maintaining control over Palestinian airspace, territorial waters and most importantly its borders, Israel will continue its military rule over Palestinians," Civil Affairs Minister Mohammed Dahlan said in a statement. King reported from Gaza City and Ellingwood from Jerusalem. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ Eric The(DismalTimesAhead)Hun |
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No suprise.
the arabs destroyed every synagogue in Jerusalem after 1949. How many mosques has Israel destroyed? |
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I read a book that mentioned that, too......
Not enough. |
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Two too few, that I know of for sure. |
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Uh, pretty much....none. But then, they are like us, after all. Eric The(Judeo-Christian)Hun |
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Where I was in Iraq, the whole place was pretty much shot to hell, but the mosque was untouched. We were absolutely forbidden to enter it or harm it in any way.
It doesn't take much imagination to know what the ROP'ers would do if the situation was reversed. |
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Quite a few, its standard practice to destroy homes and mosques in retaliation for terrorist acts. |
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Name one instance. |
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From a local talk show, once the scrolls are removed, it's no longer a place of worship, and the Rabbi's have become emotional over, what is now, just a building. Although talk was the pig-shits will burn the structures, they brought up wild thoughts that maybe the structures can be used as hospitals.
Wishful thinking. |
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www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/622332.html
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Of the bazillion shitty little brush conflicts between small nations and factions that plague the planet at any given moment, doesn't anyone in US ever wonder why the one in Israel gets ad infinitum coverage from the American Media?
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-berg. |
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Yes, Dino, I am very interested in instances in which this 'standard practice' was used, as well. Give us some names and dates of these premeditated destruction of mosques. Fercryingoutloud, the Al Aksa Mosque was left standing, and still remains! Eric The(Interested)Hun |
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Why do you say that? Other than, you know... You feel like you should. |
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stormfront is over there ------------> |
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Nope. It's no wonder at all. Read your history books - all of 'em - it's in the one called Old Testament'. |
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The Palestinians will fuck it up in the end. Pretty soon they'll turn the entire re-occupied area into another of their 3rd world shithole slums, then because they can't admit how fucked up THEY are and how and why they have destroyed their new digs, they'll start blaming their Israeli neighbors with rockets and murdering little kibbutzniks on buses.
ETA: Then, after the terrorists begin killing Israelis again, the IDF will return to Gaza...kill a bunch of the BGs and reoccupy the Gaza Strip once again. Does anything ever really change in the Middle East? |
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The celibration will go on for another 5 minutes or so and then they will be raising hell about the next area they want Israel to turn over.
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And NOT a single one of those 140 mosques was destroyed due to any acts of terrorism, were they? Hmmm? Eric The(Historical)Hun |
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Very interesting! Please tell me where I need to look. |
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Simply, man, because Israel got hit many times like 9-11 before you Americans got hit by YOUR 9-11. All is happeing in USA, check at the airport, at the greyhounds bus stop, antiterror, menace of destruction etc. etc, happened before in Israel, so if you wanna know your future look the past. Now MAYBE Americans opened their eyes. The problems here, in the Ol' Good Europe, is that we belive we are SMARTER than Americans and Israelis. I can swear you that even after Madrid and London people here don't believe that such things can happen like in Israel or USA. Too uncomfortable, but this could lead to a discussion that is far away from the subject Eric (hi my texan friend!) proposed. |
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Please feel free to post your inevitable USS Liberty/ZOG/Federal Reserve System/Bloody Matzoh essay in this thread. It will help those of us who are lobbying for an "ignore" button. |
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Since you're the only one who can actually formulate a cogent reply without acting like a braindead zombie bleating idiotic ad hominems That would be a fair point if the bias in question existed only after 9/11. It hasn't. |
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Well, I will look into those things now. Thanks for the tip! Nevertheless, the truth is the truth whether you like it or not. You can call me all the names you wish for saying what I do, but you can't call me incorrect. It's far better to be in my position than it is to be on the side of those who pretend certain things don't exist because that's what they've been conditioned to think, say and do. |
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Sure I can. You're incorrect. You're also so far out of the loop that you don't realize that the reason you're not getting any traction here is that we are all active agents of the International Jewish Conspiracy. |
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Do you want me to post the list, outlining who owns what in the media? I'll be glad to, if you ask for it. In the meantime, keep toeing that line, son... |
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Translation: "All your Synagogue are belong to us!" |
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I think that President Bush's involvement in influencing the nation of Israel to "give" their land to the Palistinians is the direct cause of several of the rather catastrophic events we've recently experienced here in the States. I don't have chapter and verse for my beliefs, but I know there is precidence set forth in God's Word. NEVER, side against Israel. |
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Actually, I'm expecting someone from New York to shout 'wanna see something funny?' |
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Very interesting, Eric.
The US forces Israel to give up the Gaza strip and have the Israeli Army force Israelis out of their homes at gunpoint. God is watching. Meanwhile in New Orleans......... |
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As these syngagogues were abandoned, I would say the circumstances would be similar. However, I doubt the jews laughed and sang and danced with they burned them (did they burn them). My question was referring to you your implied statement that active mosques were destroyed as standard retaliatory practice for acts of terrorism. If this was your accusation, to that we still have no proof. |
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Jesus, are you still in this thread? Let the grown ups talk. So far, you have shown yourself to be a total mouth breather with typical mindless responses. There are people who are disagreeing with me who actually seem like they might take a shot at making an actual valid point (doubtful, but i'm hopeful) Please allow them to do so. In the mean time, say stuff like '88', seig heil, conspiracy theorist or whatever idiotic pigeonhole you would try to put me in. |
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EXACTLY! Keep your eyes on South/North Carolina......Ophelia. Looks to be weakening somewhat but it could not be any more directly over the warm waters of the Gulf Stream....... |
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Oh, please do, Pop. Please! |
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It was an inside joke, I guess you could say. At any rate, you seem to be convinced that your opinions are worthy of intelligent consideration. Let me disabuse you of that notion. 1) Like it or not, you're posting your drivel amongst a number of folks ere who still believe that Israelis are God's chosen people. None of us fully understand the implications of that- but most of us (those of us posting in this thread, anyway) agree that our involvement in decisions contrary to the well-being of Israel can have dire consequences for us, as a nation. Building on that, if you'll look in the south-central part of a map of the United States, you'll find the remains of a city called 'New Orleans'. Think long and hard about the potential correlation between the two phenomena. 2) You came into this thread asking what may be the stupidest question ever asked on ARFCOM. There has NEVER been ANY doubt in ANYONE'S mind as to why we, as a nation, pay very close attention to what happens in Israel. Now, please, go away. Don't you have some goose-stepping to practice? |
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I never thought about that angle. |
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And now we may all bid a fond adieu to another member of the master race |
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Better keep it in mind. C. Rice has already said that the West bank needs to go next... It's never good to mess with Israel. |
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And good riddance. Thanks, Aimless. |
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Anyone who thinks New Orleans is a mess...give these idiots a couple of days then go see what they turn the former Jewish settlements into. I love it, "It is ours now", as if that can result insomething useful and good.
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How long, especially given his actions (or inaction) on illegal immigration, will it be before Bush decides we should give the Southwest "back to the noble people of Mexico"? |
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And some wonder why I asked if this sort of Christianity should be considered a security risk when granting access to classified material. |
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And some wonder why I don't believe we live in a Christian nation. |
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There's a large gap between my beliefs and US policy, not that you have any trouble leaping that gap at will if it enables you to once again beat out that identical rhythm on your drum. |
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You're incapable of civil conversation, aren't you? The attitude reflected in the original post I quoted of yours may not be US policy yet, but we are headed that way more and more as time goes on. I believe that we are long past the point where US policy decisions are made in line with fundamental Christian principles - ergo, it is no longer proper to refer to America as a 'Christian' nation - not surprising, since nations were never ordained (other than Israel) in the first place. It was not an attack on you, just an observation of the fact that history is bearing out what many Bible scholars often overlook -namely, that there is no such thing as a Christian nation. |
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