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Posted: 8/15/2005 2:27:10 PM EDT
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Marines Pleased, So USMC Orders $660M More ACOG Rifle Scopes Posted 15-Aug-2005 03:37 Trijicon ACOG Major General J.N. Mattis, Commanding General of the 1st Marine Division during Operation Iraqi Freedom, called them "the biggest improvement in lethality for the Marine infantryman since the introduction of the M1 Garand in WWII." The USMC calls them the first-ever Rifle Combat Optic (RCO) of the United States Marine Corps. Trijicon Inc. in Wixom, MI calls them ACOG - Advanced Combat Optical Gunsights. Now the USMC's initial $7.5 million contract has been followed by a multi-year $660 million indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract with Trijicon for Rifle Combat Optics (RCO) fixed 4 power scopes. The TA31RCO will be a slightly modified version of the TA31F 4x ACOG, 6,000 of which are currently in service with the Marine Corps.... The ACOGs are internally-adjustable, compact telescopic sights with tritium illuminated reticle patterns for use in low light or at night. They combine traditional, precise distance marksmanship with close-in aiming speed. Designed for use with the M16 family of personal weapons, its mechanical and optical designs are bent to a single purpose: to provide increased hit potential in all lighting conditions - without failure-prone batteries. Although the ACOGs have many features which are very advantageous for military use, they were originally developed by Trijicon without government funding. The new TA31RCO will incorporate Trijicon's exclusive dual-illuminated red chevron-shaped reticle and bullet drop compensator. In low light or at night, the chevron is brightly illuminated by tritium; in daylight, a fiber optic system collects ambient light and helps ensure daytime brightness and controlled contrast. The system is totally battery-free, which is important for reasons of reliability as well as combat load. A new Target Reference System will allow a rifleman to quickly and accurately reference the location of a target and communicate that location to fellow Marines. The TA31RCO will also feature Trijicon's highly advanced Bindon Aiming Concept (BAC), an optical breakthrough that permits a both-eyes-open shooting method that greatly increases hit ratios in fast moving Close Quarter Battle (CQB) scenarios such as the urban warfare that characterizes operations in Iraq. The initial purchase will be 104,000 scopes at $610 each for a total initial delivery order of $63.4 million. The government may purchase up to a maximum of 800,000 RCO scopes on this contract over the five-year period the contract is in effect. Work on this contract will be performed in Wixom, MI. (90%) and Fredericksburg VA (10%), and is expected to be complete in August 2010. This contract was competitively procured using full and open competition. The Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, VA issued the contract (M67854-05-D-1061). http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/08/marines-pleased-so-usmc-orders-660m-more-acog-rifle-scopes/index.php |
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good for them.
if this means POI on a enemy, more power to them. |
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Now these things are going to be harder and harder to find. I hope they quickly expand service/repair.
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Well I guess this means that they'll get around to releasing the upgraded tripowers in 10 years or so.
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That should {and then some} pay for every start-up & developement penny that they ever required. Hope to see the price come down for us in a year or two.
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Quoted:
"The initial purchase will be 104,000 scopes at $610 each for a total initial delivery order of $63.4 million. The government may purchase up to a maximum of 800,000 RCO scopes on this contract over the five-year period the contract is in effect." That's a group buy I'd like to get in on! hug.gif |
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Dupety-Dippety-Doo!
Now that I've got that out of the way; Good on 'em. The Army has been satisfied with theirs for some time. |
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I think the army is actually a little more correct in their optic choice the, the M68 is a better general issue optic than a RCO. We should have to gone with a mix of both, vice just the RCO except those bought by units.
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I guess the question would be: does everyone armed with a rifle in the squad need a magnified optic?
Or just one or two Designated Marksmen? Does the SAW gunner need one? The grenadiers? How do we make sure those identified as needing magnified optics get them? Or do we need to stock both reflex and magnified, and issue the appropriate type as needed? Or going beyond the line infantry...do mortarmen, drivers, military poilice and mechanics need them? ***** That's given the equipment we have now...if we had a compact, variable power optic (perhaps with built in laser aiming units), then we would not have to worry about who gets what...though anyone not in Combat Arms prolly doesn't need optics at all. |
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The plan is everyone will have a RCO, no matter their billet if they has a rifle or carbine they get an Optic. It take a few years for the wing and group (what ever the hell FSSG is now called) but eventually everyone will have one.
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Wow. Considering some of the guys I served with in the wing, I would have to call that a waste. But, I'd like to see what effect it would have on scores if you gave the unc's ACOGs... |
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BUY NOW - Price increase on the way!!
Guntoting_Spartan - pull your carry handle and flat top mount that with a LaRue mount. |
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its a different rifle now, that was just for the pic when i first got the acog
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The current plan for rifle training in the fleet will have tradional grass week (more ISMT-E these days), 3 days of SLR fire with table 1, followed by 2 days with table 2, basic combat shooting. Table 3 is intermediate combat shooting and will be done at units, this table is unit and Table of Organization specific. More than like table 3 will include the ACOG qual/shoot but that may be done in table 2 in the future. Table 4, advance combat shooting is only required of infantry MOSs. However table 4 will be expected of many divisional Marines.
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EOTECH , Ann Arbor, Michigan TRIJICON, Wixom, Michigan All within 25 miles of where I live. I wonder if my wife would mind me buying one of each if I told her I was "supporting the local economy "?. |
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Everything in A2 is expensive. I wouldn't go out and buy ACOGs now, they're going to drop in price eventually when their supply exceeds the demand. |
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think there's any chance the prices on these will come down for civs?
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Why would they? No, I predict that the prices will remain high. Simple supply and demand my boy. Having said that - man, that's a sweet optic. CMOS |
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It's great to see a smaller American company win big for putting out a quality product, especially when that product will help the American military be more efficient at what they do. A win/win situation for the Marines, as well as the folks back home.
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Great. Bad enough I couldn't afford one before, now the markets going to dry up for a while.
I'm just glad they're going where they should be going though. |
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why cant they just give me one.........................
i'm not poor, but dont have money for the best battle scope. |
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blech...i was kinda hoping that with a volume production, the price of manufacturing will be coming down and they'll be gouging the hell outta uncle sam so they can afford to lower prices to the general populace... but i think you're right. firearms and related items don't follow usual business practices... |
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Hey, Hey!!! I resemble that remark!! Love my ACOG!! Keyboard fo' sho'...... |
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I'm not fat. I'm calorically challenged. |
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In addition to my Aimpoint, I had the TA-01NSN for about 5 years. Rarely used it and always kept the Aimpoint mounted. The USMC choice of hte TA31, however, is much better than the SF model and bridges the gap between the Aimpoint and the NSN model. Still, with engagement ranges as short as they've been, the Aimpoint/EOTech solution is more universal. |
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$600??? Now THAT's how you do a group buy.
Congrats and thanks to Trijicon for developing a product that helps out the USMC in such a fine way. TXL |
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Somewhere here someone posted a pic of a Marine's M16 with a mounted ACOG. While engaged in a fight his optic got shot. He turned and put down some ass whoppen. If I remeber correct the ACOG was still working....I think..
Wish I kept the pic..... A big BRAVO to the corps for givin the boys top notch gear!!! David |
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They've already been on eBay for a few months. |
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Yup...with "Marine USMC Scope" in the titles. |
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Well, you folks who previously bought are lucky, because now for the folks who want them, they will be unavailable because all available production will go for production to Uncle Sam and the USMC, and rightfully so.
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Yeah, these scopes have been on the EE for some time now. These will replace the TA31F, so I think price increases you see are dealers making a few extra bucks while they still aren't readily available. I fell sorry for the dealers who are sitting on TA31A's as the round reticle fell out of fashion in armchair commando circles...
As far as how many Trijicon will make, they started on a big plant expansion last year (I live near them), and have already been making a bunch of print ads in the magazines mentioning that the "ACOG you always wanted is now available to you due to increased production capability". Sounds like a good thing all around. Dave ETA: GODDAMIT!!! THAT WAS POST 2000 AND I WASTED IT!!! |
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It sucks, but if thats the way they got to do it. Atleast there will always be TAC-COGS. |
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