User Panel
Posted: 8/2/2005 7:10:23 AM EDT
What do you think?
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I saw that name somewhere else. One of these days I'll have to find out who she is. |
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Nice, but I bet you only get a canned-response, if anything.
No one in washington has the guts to clamp down on illegal immigration. No one. |
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Maybe I've seen her, but don't recognize the name. I don't watch as much TV as I used to. |
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The problem with denying citizenship to children born in the US is that it creates a class of stateless people. If someone is born in the US to the children of an illegal Ecuadoran immigrant, the child is NOT Ecuadoran by default. The parents have to register the child at the Ecuadoran embassy and wait for a passport. Since there isn't an Ecuadoran embassy or consulate in every city, this can be a problem. The catch here is that if the child is not an Ecuadoran citizen, the country of Ecuador doesn't have to let them in. So if Ecuador won't take him, what do you do with him?
I don't think the naturalization by birth process is the problem with our immigration system. We need to enforce our borders, push hard to punish companies that hire illegals, grant local law enforcement the power to arrest illegals, and aggressively deport anyone here illegally. If some illegals manage to stay because they are able to pop out a baby while they are here, that's the least of our problems. |
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Sneak them to Ecuador illegally! |
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Bullshit. Every country in the world has ways to deal with this. In order to become an actual stateless person, you would have to be a citizen of a country that no longer exists and almost every country in the world with a functioning government goes by the standard UN boilerplate of handling citizenship of stateless persons. In almost every other country on the world, the child of two non-resident aliens is considered to be a national of the parent's country (in many cases, of the father's country). I know lots of US nationals born to US parents abroad and all you have to do is get a SSN when you get back to the US and (starting in the 1970s) make sure that the kid has shots. That's it. If your Ecuadoran nationals refused to report their child as a national of Ecuador, upon their return the Ecuadoran immigration authorities might be interested in whether or not the child was adopted (or purchased), but then again, if they two people said that they were their parents, there wouldn't be an issue. And yes, every government in the world will repatriate non-criminal minor children of their nationals, registered or not. Every time you get a baby with US citizenship, they can move back when they are 18 and they can then bring over their family (the "family reunification" thing). Then, their cousins, and those people can bring over more people. So yes, it is a serious issue, and not "the least of our problems". People come to the US to have babies and return to their countries (Korea, Argentina, Nigeria, and now Brazil are famous for sending 8+ month pregnant women to the US to give birth, in most cases paying for it themselves, to make sure that their kid has a US passport) ALL THE TIME. This is COMMON. It is a huge issue. One of the things that people are forgetting is that after the illegal alien amnesty in 1986 (remember -- the "last, one time, never again" amnesty?), each illegal legalized brought over at least 2.5 family members legally that we know of over the next ten years (more or less -- 9 and change years). OK, so let's assume that Bush pushes through his insane illegal alien amnesty and we get 20,000,000 legalized illegals. That means, in ten years, we would have at least 50,000,000 more people. And then you have a small baby boom. That is why this is important. Lots and lots of illegals are staying in the US legally because they have a US national citizens (their minor child) as their sponsor and the welfare of the minor child citizen is seen as more important than deportation, so the illegals stay. And get welfare, SSI, AFDC, and so on. |
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Let's not forget the anti-abortion mantra that a human life begins at conception. Therefore, anyone claiming to have conceived on US soil would fall under the 14th Am. and enjoy it's protection! Ain't being Republican great? |
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The 14th Amendment was specifically worded that way to give rights to citizens, not non-citizens, which is what Indians were considered at the time. There was a ton of documented floor debate on this. Is was specifically written to not apply to non-citizens. Wong Kim Ark is as good a decision as Miller. |
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The problem would be the result of actions taken by the law breaking parents. Not my problem. |
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she's a mere google away, my friend. |
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Googling For Girls. Sounds like a gameshow on WB. |
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www.google.com/search?q=Juliet+Huddy |
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How does it stop 'anchor' babies? It would be a slipery slope, and I wouldn't want to see it go that way, but can the US 'throw out' a US citizen? Like how one can be ex-communicated from the Catholic church? |
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I don't see a conflict between the citizen status of anyone born on US soil and the deportation of the parents. The kid goes with the parents, but the kid remains a US citizen. Jim |
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Do elaborate, plz. |
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Actually I thought that 'non- tax paying Indians' didn't count only when it came time to determine how many Representatives a State could send to Washington. States could have pushed around tribes to skew the numbers - where-as an actual private citizen (remember we're talking 1868 here) can't be forced to move. |
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check out the chart |
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I believe that we are the only and last 1st world country that will grant citizenship to a baby dropped by an illegal alien. All other countries require at least one parent to be a legal citize.
Is that too much to ask??? |
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Seems pretty clear. If they meant something different, they should have said something different. If your parents are US citizens and you are born abroad, you are a US citizen under the principle of jus sanguinis. See 8 U.S.C. 1401. -green |
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Actually, it's clear as mud because of this part: and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If the children are subject to the jurisdiction of the US, then we need to have social workers there to take the babies away from the criminals, and then deport the criminals, and put the children up for adoption. |
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I don't know that there's much elaboration necessary; The baby gets US citizenship, US passport, all that. Legal entry and exit from the country at will, eligible for the draft if implemented, etc. The parents still have their parental rights (citizen or not), so there is no reason to take the child from them. You deport the parents, they can choose what to do with their baby. They can't abandon the baby, and the baby would need a legal guardian in the US if the parents aren't in the US, so the baby either goes with them or they find some relative or other person to take the baby in. Some people send a child to live with a relative or whatever--not our business. That's the parent's decision. The citizenship of the baby in the home country (Mexico or wherever) is a problem for the parents to work out with their home country. Jim |
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