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Posted: 4/17/2005 10:35:54 AM EDT
My guess would be 7.62x39
followed by Mauser 7.92 or the russian 7.62x54r. Is their anyway to fact check this? 5.56 and 9mm might be off in the distance somewhere, but I got to thinking of this a while ago and thought it would make an interesting discussion, |
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has to be 762x39 all those crappy countries constantly fighting each other.
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7.62x39 since there are by far more weapons chambered in that round than any other. and they always pop up in civil wars everywhere.
possibly 7.62x54R as it has been in service since 1891 |
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are you not thinking of the countless lives lost during the big wars?? even the smaller squirmishes |
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The round that has killed the most still falls far short of rocks, sticks, spears, swords and arrows.
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OK Mauser and russian standard cartridge has been used in 2 world wars the russian in particular has also been used the world over and is the longest serving round still in use. The AK is proliferated in every 2nd and 3rd world shithole on earth, it is the most common rifle on the planet. |
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I think it would be a toss up between Russian 7.62x54R and Mauser 7.92mm.
There are alot of AK-47's out there in the world, but they were not around for the two world wars. |
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7.62x39mm.
Beyond that, 12-gauge, 7.62 Nagant, 9x19mm/Luger/Parabellum, any .45 cartridge designed by Colt. Not necessarily in that order. |
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Just a guess here 9mm, simply because it the #1 handgun round [except for the U.S.].
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if you mean .50bmg it has killed thousands in combat since WWII. I don't mean just in crime I meant overall. |
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No, but the round the AK fires was around for at least the second World War, possibly the first. |
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9x19mm would be my best guess. Do a google search and let us know what it says.
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Not developed till 1944 never used in WWII combat you are thinking of the Tokarev 7.62x25. |
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.577 Tyrannosaur, .500 S&W Magnum, and whichever caseless round the G11 used are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. |
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ETA: Not to mention starvation, disease, pestilence and any number of other environmental factors that are second-order effects of war. Pol Pot (may he rot eternally in Hell, the son of a bitch!) killed more people with toil than with rifles. |
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No, the Tokarev was a pistol round and used in SMG's like the PPSch-41. I'm not going to confuse a pistol round with a rifle round. I'll do some research. EDIT: The 7.62x39mm round WAS used in WWII after the Germans began invading Russia. |
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I might be wrong, but I didn't think the 7.62x39 was introduced until the AK47 was developed. I thought that was in 1947. I still think the 7.62x39 would be a likely winner for the most used round in combat worldwide. Then again, the 30.06 has killed a hell of a lot of enemy troops between the 1903's, the P14, the M1 and the Browning MG's. |
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Federov Avtomat otherwise known as the SKS. |
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IIRC the Maxim M.G. is credited with the title of having killed the most people, it would lead me to believe that the calibers it was chambered in would lead the pact. Think 7.92 and 7.62.
Between the horror on the western front, the carnage of the the eastern front,The Russian revolution,and the maxim's use in WWII and in Korea and into Vietnam. I will go out on a limb and say it's either 7.92 or 7.62x54R. |
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In the U.S. I'd say .22lr because of the sheer number of .22 guns around in general. Everyone knows someone who has at least a .22 pistol or rifle. My granddad had a .22 rifle in his closet for 50 years, and he wasn't a gun person.
People tend to think the .22 isn't very powerful, and maybe it isn't, but it's still deadly. Therefore they are more apt to "play" with them, and underestimate their capability. gangbangers carry around those bryco .22's, cheapo .22 revolvers etc. But on a world scale? I'd say prolly a 7.62mm round of some sort. |
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Yup. Like I said when I edited my previous post, 7.62x39mm was used in WWII. |
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The SKS was used in combat in WWII? I thought it was still in the test phase in 44. |
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If I had to guess , I would say 17M2 . Only a fey months old and tiny As for the biggest killer . 7.62x39 . The SKS used it before the AK . |
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I dunno about the SKS. I was agreeing with his point that the cartridge was invented BEFORE the AK-47. My brief research told me that the 7.62x39mm cartridge had been developed by the Russians before the Germans invaded, but they didn't use it until after the krauts were marching through their fields of mud and snow. It did see action in the war in any case. |
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Weren't most of the deaths of Russians at the hands of bullets during WWII? As in their own bullets, against their own people?
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I do seem to recall their machine gunning troops who tried to retreat from certain battles and a LOT of executions with a 7.62 Nagant to the back of the head. Still, I think after 7.62x39mm 12-gauge is one of the calibers that has killed the most people. It's been around for HOW long? It's powerful, it's versatile, it's gone to war, been adopted by police, become one of the most popular hunting weapons... |
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I agree with those two choices. Both used in two World Wars, both used in machine guns as well as individual infantry weapons. |
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yeah, most likely if they didn't get taken out by the MG 34 or 42 or the K98. they most likely fell to their own for not advancing fast enough or retreating that said the 54R probably killed more than the mauser. |
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.303 British,
7.92mm German, 7.62x39 Russian. British and German MG's killed by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches during WWI, and those rounds had been in service since the turn of the Century and iserved throught WWII. The .303 also did great execution in Korea and on to the end of the 1950's. It also served on both sides in the various Indo-Pakistani wars till the present. 7.62x39 Russian has been killing people world wide since 1947 and must have reacked up many millions by now. ANdy |
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I dont think .303 is even in the feild of play here, no offense. |
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I take it you don't read much military history them… ANdy |
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By all means I am a fan of history, educate me. WWI and WWII obviouly as well as indochina, india, and malaya and maybe north Africa. Did I miss anything??? |
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9x18 No telling how many people the KGB killed with this round.
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that round started killing germans in 1944, it was developed in 1943 and was the cartridge meant for the SKS carbine. though far more of those rounds have been fired through AK47 rifles and their variants |
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303 was in service with the British since the late 1880's it has seen allot of battles. Probably as many as the 8mm and the and the 7.62x54R til that point
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Entered service in 1888 and was used to slaughter many tens of thousands of Fuzzy Wuzzies in the Sudan and Africa at the end of the 19th C, also used in the Boer War, also all the interwar periods in fighting throughout the British Empire. It's been a very busy round along with Mr Maxim and Mr Vickers machine guns… A round that has been in world wide use in many millions of rifles, LMG's and HMG's since 1888 will get up a very impressive score. ANdy |
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